MR. THOMAS GRENVILLE TO EARL FITZWILLIAM.

(Private.) Vienna, Aug. 30th, 1794,

DEAR LORD FITZWILLIAM,

You will already have heard enough of our proceedings here to give

you no considerable expectations of any great good to be done here;

and if you happen to have been in London, and to have read a very

tedious and long letter which I wrote on the 24th to the Duke of

Portland, you will have seen there, more at large than it is

necessary to repeat, the general view and impression of our minds

as to the business with which we are charged; and the little ground

which there appears to us for hoping that even by satisfying their

pecuniary demands, we could depend upon such exertions being made

in consequence, as the country would expect in return for expense

of so great and heavy a scale. It is very true, to be sure, that in

this as well as in many other cases, the difficulties present

themselves something more readily than the remedies to them, yet

upon the question of the subsidy, if we are right in our

conception that it would not probably produce, either in degree or

in shape, that energy and cordial co-operation which we are looking

for, perhaps no difficulty could be much more serious than that of

engaging ourselves at home in an expense, the disappointment of

which might produce in the minds of the public an effect, both with

respect to the war itself and with respect to the Government which

supports it, of the most perilous description. It is very true that

great objects must sometimes be pursued at great hazards, and

nobody is more ready than I to acknowledge that a greater object

cannot be found than the successful prosecution of this war; but

the peculiar question of subsidy seems to me to apply chiefly to

the mode of carrying on the war, and, I would hope, not to the

entire decision of pursuing or abandoning it.

I will not again go over the same detail which I pursued in my

letter to the Duke of Portland, but satisfy myself with recalling

to your observation, that the Government here, in speaking of the

exertions which they should be driven to the necessity of making,

if the French should threaten the German empire, plainly admitted

that they do still possess resources capable of being applied to

such critical exigencies, and in this confession show pretty

plainly that nothing but the necessity of the case will drive them

to the use of those means. Is it not then probable that a much

greater exertion may be made by that necessity existing in our

refusal of subsidy, than will be made by such pecuniary assistance

being given, as may relieve them from the necessity of making any

exertion of their own?

If the immediate alarm on the side of Holland seems to be a

considerable inducement to the grant of the subsidy, in order to

interest Austria in that very important defence of which the

Netherlands make so essential a part, it should not, on the other

hand, escape notice, that all our observation on their language and

views would lead us very much to doubt how far they would

cordially concur in the defence of the Netherlands, even though

they might consent to do so in the words of their contract;

whatever value they may or may not themselves put upon the

possession of the Low Countries, they always argue and act under

the manifest persuasion, that the Maritime Powers are alone

interested enough in this point to secure its being ultimately

carried, and they give it pretty plainly to be understood, that

they mean to depend upon us for that object. Under this view, they

seem to me always disposed to consider the operations of the

Austrian army in another campaign as likely to be concentered for

efforts from the German frontier, by which means they will have a

more collected force more immediately applying to the Imperial

dominions, and better suited to the jealousies which they entertain

of the King of Prussia, but certainly not best adapted to the

defence of Holland, and the recovery of Brabant.

Perhaps I may be considered as carrying these suspicions too far,

but I own I cannot help fearing too, that the suggestion made by

them of mortgaging the Low Countries to us, is not as security for

the money in question in this and the next campaign, is not a _bona

fide_ offer of their best security, but is considered by them as a

fresh motive for interesting us in their possession of those

territories, and as contributing the more to make that object our

business, by either taking upon ourselves the whole defence of

them, or, what they rather look to, by our purchasing the cession

of them at the peace, by some of the acquisitions which Great

Britain has made in the war: a measure which they may have the more

hope for our concurrence in, if we have two millions lent out upon

the security only of the Austrians regaining those territories at

the peace.

Do not believe that these impressions are taken from any starving

principle of economy, or from a too timid apprehension of the

unpopularity of a subsidy in England; but be assured, that even if

there should be no difficulty at home as to this demand being

acquiesced in, I should retain the same doubts as to any

expectation of proportionate advantages resulting from it, and

should be inclined to believe that even if the whole amount of the

subsidy was to be expended, it might be more advantageously used in

the purchase of Hessians, Swiss, or any other such troops

absolutely at our disposal, in addition to the Austrians, than in

the proposed purchase of increased vigour and activity in the

government and army of this country: you cannot buy what they have

not to sell.

Sept. 14th, 1791.

The former part of this letter had already been written before I

received yours of the 11th of August, which did not reach me till

the 2nd instant. I am very sincerely rejoiced to find by it that

you have made your decision for Ireland, because I believe that

much good may be done there, by your taking that heavy load upon

your shoulders; and although you are wanted enough both in London

and Yorkshire, I am persuaded that for public objects you are still

most wanted at Dublin. I am not enough acquainted with the interior

there, to judge how far the means (as Government now stands) are

competent to the end, or to what degree you may be able to supply

all those links of connection between the two countries, which have

latterly appeared to be very much worn away and broken through. I

presume that it will be found easy enough to continue the same

negative course of administration, and that it will be a work of

great difficulty and delicacy for you to do all that you will think

should be done; I am, therefore, from a strong persuasion of the

arduousness of the task, well pleased to know that it is in such

good hands.

With respect to my undertaking the office of Secretary, I am very

far from being confident that I should be able to make myself, in

that situation, as useful to you as it undoubtedly should be made.

You know it is not the first moment in which I have expressed my

doubts as to that employment, since it is twelve years ago that the

same objections presented themselves to me; and if I still feel the

weight of them, it is not from any disinclination to pull at my oar

in the galley, or from any reluctance to take part in public

measures at a time when I think, as you do, that everything is at

stake; on the contrary, I confess that, all other considerations

put apart, I shall be gratified in making myself actively one of a

system with which the prosperity of the country will, I am

persuaded, be to stand or fall; and I shall be best gratified by

doing this in whatever shape it could be hoped that I should be

serviceable. To foreign mission, I own I know not how to reconcile

myself; and for Ireland, besides my own disinclination to it, I

should have thought Pelham better suited, as I have often told you.

But my own opinion upon this, as upon all other subjects, gives way

to the better judgment of my friends; and if the Duke of Portland

and you think, that in the present state of things, I should do

best to go to Ireland, I cannot say that I will not try it; sure I

am that your going there gives to the situation every advantage

which I can receive in it, and that if my engaging in it could

succeed, it is on every account as promising and gratifying to me

with you, as the situation itself can be made. Thus, therefore, it

stands, that my own inclination, if no difficulties stood in the

way, would rather lead me to any such employment at home as I might

be fit for, when any such offered itself; but no such destination

being easily found, if the Duke of Portland and you think it any

way desirable that I should go to Ireland, I will certainly

undertake it, and do the best I can in it; trusting always, that if

hereafter, when you are settled on your Irish throne, the chance of

events should make any home-situation of business practicable for

me, you would not object to any such arrangement if it could be

found.

The long delay which has prevented my sending a messenger when I

wrote the first sheet of this letter, has now so altered the events

of the negotiation that it is hardly worth sending to you, except

as a proof that want of opportunity, and not want of punctuality,

has prevented my letter reaching you at an earlier period.

The loss of the fortresses, at a moment when they had been

reluctantly induced here to make an effort to save them, is

vexatious in the extreme. They threaten the vengeance of a

court-martial on the officers who surrendered Valenciennes; but

what will that avail towards recovering these great objects, which

were equally material, both to the regaining of the Netherlands,

and to their security when reconquered?

The hopeless inactivity of this Court is too long a theme to write

upon, and will continue, I fear, to be a fertile source of

uneasiness. It is shocking to foresee that their assistance may be

as much wanted to save Holland as it was to save Valenciennes, and

may likewise be retarded till it is equally ineffectual.

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