Therefore, secondly, observe the difference of time, which Mr. Cotton

himself confesseth: “after instruction and conviction,” saith he,

“Moses’s law was deadly, and would separate from Christ;” therefore,

there was a time when they were not deadly, and did not separate from

Christ, to wit, until Moses was honourably fallen asleep, and lamented

for—as I conceive—in the type and figure thirty days, Deut. xxxiv. [8.]

Therefore, at one season, not for Timothy’s weak conscience, but for the

Jews’ sake, Paul circumcised Timothy: at another time, when the Jews had

sufficient instruction, and obstinately would be circumcised, and that

necessarily to salvation, Paul seasonably cries out, that if they were

circumcised Christ should profit them nothing, Gal. v. [2.] Hence, the

Christians at Ephesus conversed with the Jewish synagogue until the Jews

contradicted and blasphemed, and then were speedily separated by Paul,

Acts xix. [9.] But to apply, Paul observed a vow, and the ceremonies of

it, circumcised Timothy, &c.; may therefore a messenger of Christ now,

as Paul, go to mass, pray to saints, perform penance, keep Christmas and

other popish feasts and fasts? &c.

[Sidenote: A member of a true church falling into any idolatrous

practice, not presently to be excommunicated.]

Again, is there such a time allowed to any man, uniting or adding himself

to the true church now, to observe the unholy holy days of feasting and

fasting invented by anti-christ? Yea, and, as Paul did circumcision, to

practise the popish sacraments? I doubt not; but if any member of a true

church or assembly of worshippers, shall fall to any paganish or popish

practice, he must be instructed and convinced before excommunication: but

the question is, whether still observing and so practising, a person may

be received to the true Christian church, as the Jews were, although they

yet practised Moses’s ceremonies?

These things duly pondered, in the fear and presence of God, it will

appear how vain the allegation is, from that tender and honourable

respect to God’s ordinances now vanishing from the Jews, and their weak

consciences about the same, to prove the same tenderness to Satan’s

inventions, and [to] the consciences of men in the renouncing of

paganical, Turkish, anti-christian, yea, and I add Judaical worships now,

when once the time of their full vanishing was come.

[Sidenote: Not one degree of sight of, or sorrow for anti-christian

abominations; yet a necessity of cutting off from the false before union

to the true church, ministry, worship, &c.]

To conclude, although I prescribe not such a measure of sight of, or

sorrow for anti-christian abominations—I speak in respect of degrees,

which it pleaseth the Father of lights to dispense variously, to one

more, to another less—yet, I believe it absolutely necessary to see and

bewail so much as may amount to cut off the soul from the false church,

whether national, parishional, or any other falsely constituted church,

ministry, worship, and government of it.[253]

CHAP. XV.

_Mr. Cotton._ “Ans. 3. To places of scripture which you object, Isa. lii.

11; 2 Cor. vi. 17; Rev. xviii. 4, we answer, two of them make nothing

to your purpose: for that of Isaiah and the other of the Revelation,

speak of local separation, which yourself know we have made, and yet

you say, you do not apprehend that to be sufficient. As for that place

of the Corinthians, it only requireth coming out from idolaters in the

fellowship of their idolatry. No marriages were they to make with them,

no feasts were they to hold with them in the idol’s temple: no intimate

familiarity were they to maintain with them, nor any fellowship were they

to keep with them in the unfruitful works of darkness; and this is all

which that place requireth. But what makes all this to prove, that we

may not receive such persons to church fellowship as yourself confess to

be godly, and who do professedly renounce and bewail all known sin, and

would renounce more if they knew more, although it may be they do not see

the utmost skirts of all that pollution they have sometimes been defiled

with: as the patriarchs saw not the pollution of their polygamy. But

that you may plainly see this place is wrested beside the apostle’s scope

when you argue from it, that such persons are not fit matter for church

fellowship as are defiled with any remnants of anti-christian pollution,

nor such churches any more to be accounted churches as do receive such

amongst them: consider, I pray you, were there not at that time in the

church of Corinth such as partook with the idolaters in the idol’s

temple? And was not this the touching of an unclean thing? And did this

sin reject these members from church fellowship before conviction? Or did

it evacuate their church estate for not casting out such members?”

_Answ._ The scriptures, or writings of truth, are those heavenly

righteous scales wherein all our controversies must be tried, and that

blessed star that leads all those souls to Jesus that seek him. But,

saith Mr. Cotton, two of those scriptures alleged by me, Isa. lii. 11,

Rev. xviii. 4, which I brought to prove a necessity of leaving the false

before a joining to the true church, they speak of local separation,

which, saith he, yourself know we have made.[254]

[Sidenote: Mr. Cotton cannot make both comings forth of Babel, both in

the type and antitype, to be local.]

For that local and typical separation from Babylon, Isa. lii. [11,] I

could not well have believed that Mr. Cotton or any would make that

coming forth of Babel in the antitype, Rev. xviii. 4, to be local and

material also. What civil state, nation, or country in the world, in the

antitype, must now be called Babel? Certainly, if any, then Babel itself

properly so called; but there we find, as before, a true church of Jesus

Christ, 1 Pet. v. [13.]

[Sidenote: If a local Babel, then also now a local Judea and temple, &c.,

come out of Babel, not material, but mystical.]

Secondly, if Babel be local now whence God’s people are called, then

must there be a local Judea, a land of Canaan also, into which they are

called; and where shall both that Babel and Canaan be found in all the

comings forth that have been made from the church of Rome in these last

times? But Mr. Cotton having made a local departure from Old England in

Europe to New England in America, can he satisfy his own soul, or the

souls of other men, that he hath obeyed that voice, “Come out of Babel,

my people, partake not of her sins,” &c? Doth he count the very land of

England literally Babel, and so consequently Egypt and Sodom, Rev. xi. 8,

and the land of New England Judea, Canaan? &c.

[Sidenote: The Lord Jesus hath broken down the difference of places and

persons. Two chiefest causes of God’s indignation against England. These

two particulars I should be humbly ready to make proof of.]

The Lord Jesus, John iv., clearly breaks down all difference of places,

and, Acts x., all difference of persons; and for myself, I acknowledge

the land of England, the civil laws, government, and people of England,

not to be inferior to any under heaven. Only two things I shall humbly

suggest unto my dear countrymen, whether more high and honourable at the

helm of government, or more inferior, who labour and sail in this famous

ship of England’s commonwealth, as the greatest causes, fountains, and

top roots of all the indignation of the Most High against the state and

country; first, that the whole nation and generations of men have been

forced, though unregenerate and unrepentant, to pretend and assume the

name of Christ Jesus, which only belongs, according to the institution

of the Lord Jesus, to truly regenerate and repenting souls. Secondly,

that all others dissenting from them, whether Jews or Gentiles, their

countrymen especially, for strangers have a liberty, have not been

permitted civil cohabitation in this world with them, but have been

distressed and persecuted by them.[255]

[Sidenote: The soul’s captivity to false worship is not local, but a

guilt, and not only so, but a habit or disposition of spiritual sleep,

whoredom, drunkenness, &c.]

But to return; the sum of my controversy with Mr. Cotton is, whether or

no that false worshipping of the true God be not only a spiritual guilt

liable to God’s sentence and plagues, but also an habit, frequently

compared in the prophets, and Rev. xvii., to a spirit and disposition of

spiritual drunkenness and whoredom, a soul-sleep and a soul-sickness:

so that as by the change of a chair, chamber, or bed, a sick or sleepy

man, whore or drunkard, are not changed, but they remain the same still,

until that disposition of sickness, sleepiness, drunkenness, whoredom be

put off, and a new habit of spiritual health, watchfulness, sobriety,

chastity be put on.

CHAP. XVI.

Now concerning that scripture, 2 Cor. vi., Mr. Cotton here confesseth it

holdeth forth five things that the repenting Corinthians were called out

in, from the unrepenting:

First, in the fellowship of their idolatry.

2. From making marriages with them.

3. From feasting in their idols’ temples.

4. From intimate familiarity with them.

5. From all fellowship in the unfruitful works of darkness.

[Sidenote: The benefits of the repenting English, their coming forth from

the impenitent English in those former five particulars mentioned by Mr.

Cotton.]

_Answ._ If regenerate and truly repenting English thus come forth from

the unregenerate and unrepenting, how would the name of the Lord Jesus be

sanctified, the jealousy of the Lord pacified, their own souls cleansed,

judgments prevented, yea, and one good means practised toward the

convincing and saving of the souls of such from whom in these particulars

they depart, and dare not have fellowship with: especially when in all

civil things they walk unblameably, in quiet and helpful cohabitation,

righteous and faithful dealing, and cheerful submission to civil laws,

orders, levies, customs, &c.

Yea; but Mr. Cotton demands, what makes all this to prove that godly

persons, who professedly renounce all known sin, may not be received

to church fellowship, although they see not the utmost skirts of their

pollution, as the patriarchs saw not the pollution of their polygamy?

[Sidenote: The sins of God’s people are sometimes reputed to be of

ignorance, when they are of negligence, and yet ignorance excuseth not

wholly.]

_Answ._ I repeat the former distinction of godly persons, who possibly

may live in ungodly practices, especially of false worship, and then,

according to Mr. Cotton’s own interpretation of this place to the

Corinthians, they came not forth. And I add, if there be any voice of

Christ in the mouths of his witnesses against these sins, they are not

then of ignorance, but of negligence, and spiritual hardness, against the

ways of God’s fear, against Isa. lxiii. [17,] &c.

[Sidenote: A case put to Mr. Cotton. No cause of more shame for whoredom

against an husband’s bed, than against the bed of God’s worship. The case

of polygamy, or many wives of the fathers.]

Moreover, our question is not of the utmost skirts of pollution, but the

substance of a true or false bed of worship, Cant. i. 16, in respect of

coming out of the false, before the entrance into the true. And yet I

believe that Mr. Cotton being to receive a person to church fellowship,

who formerly hath been infamous for corporal whoredom, he would not give

his consent to receive such an one without sound repentance for the

filthiness of her skirts, Lam. i. [9,] not only in actual whoredoms, but

also in whorish speeches, gestures, appearances, provocation. And why

should there be a greater strictness for the skirts of common whoredom

than of spiritual and soul whoredom, against the chastity of God’s

worship? And therefore to that instance of the fathers’ polygamy, I

answer: first, by observing what great sins godly persons may possibly

live and long continue in, notwithstanding godliness in the root.

Secondly, I ask if any person, of whose godliness Mr. Cotton hath had

long persuasion, should believe and maintain, as questionless the

fathers’ had grounds satisfying their consciences for what they did,

that he ought to have many wives, and accordingly so practised:—I say,

I ask, whether Mr. Cotton would receive such a godly person to church

fellowship? yea, I ask, whether the church of the Jews, had they seen

this evil, would have received such a proselyte from the Gentiles? and

when it was seen, whether any persons so practising would have been

suffered amongst them? But, lastly, what was this personal sin of these

godly persons? Was it any matter of God’s worship, any joining with

a false church, ministry, worship, government, from whence they were

to come, before they could constitute his true church, and enjoy his

worship, ministry, government? &c.

Mr. Cotton concludeth this passage thus: “The church of Corinth had such

as partook with idolaters in their idols’ temple, and was not this,”

saith he, “touching of an unclean thing, and did this reject these

members from church fellowship before conviction? and did it evacuate

their church estate for not casting out such members?”

_Answ._ This was an unclean thing indeed, from which God calls his people

in this place, with glorious promises of receiving them: and Mr. Cotton

confesseth that after conviction any member, obstinate in these unclean

touches, ought to be rejected; for, said he, did this sin reject these

members from church fellowship before conviction?

[Sidenote: It lesseneth not a rebellion that it is in a multitude: hence

a city in Israel idolatrous was to be destroyed.]

And upon the same ground, that one obstinate person ought to be rejected

out of church estate, upon the same ground, if a greater company or

church were obstinate in such unclean touches, and so consequently in a

rebellion against Christ, ought every sound Christian church to reject

them, and every sound member to withdraw from them.

[Sidenote: Obstinacy that casteth out, will keep out from communion with

the Lord Jesus in his church.]

And hence further it is clear, that if such unclean touches obstinately

maintained, as Mr. Cotton confesseth and practiseth, be a ground of

rejection of a person in the church, questionless it is a ground of

rejection when such persons are to join unto the church. And if obstinacy

in the whole church after conviction be a ground for such a church’s

rejection, questionless such a church or number of persons obstinate in

such evils cannot congregate, nor become a true constituted church of

Jesus Christ.

[Sidenote: The church of Corinth, and every true church, separate from

idols as a chaste virgin to Christ.]

The greatest question here would be, whether the Corinthians in their

first constitution were separate or no from such idol temples? and this

Mr. Cotton neither doth nor can deny, a church estate being a state

of marriage unto Jesus Christ; and so Paul professedly saith, he had

espoused them as a chaste virgin to Christ Jesus, 2 Cor. xi. [2.]

CHAP. XVII.

Mr. Cotton proceeds to answer some other allegations which I produced

from the confession of sin made by John’s disciples, and the proselyte

Gentiles before they were admitted into church fellowship, Matt. iii. 6;

Acts xix. 18, unto which he returneth a threefold answer: “The first is

grounded upon his apparent mistake of my words in a grant of mine, viz.,

such a confession and renunciation is not absolutely necessary, if the

substance of true repentance be discerned. Whence,” saith he, “according

to your own confession, such persons as have the substance of true

repentance may be a true church.”

[Sidenote: The substance of true general repentance in all God’s

children, though living in many gross abominations of false worship,

ministry, &c. Not the same measure and degrees of repentance in all.]

I answer, it is clear in the progress of the whole controversy, that I

ever intend by the substance of true repentance, not that general grace

of repentance which all God’s people have, as Luther, a monk, and going

to, yea, publishing the German mass, and those famous bishops burnt for

Christ in Queen Mary’s days; but that substance of repentance for those

false ways of worship, church, ministry, &c., in which God’s people

have lived, although the confessing and renouncing of them be not so

particularly expressed, and with such godly sorrow and indignation as

some express, and may well become: And indeed the whole scope of that

caution was for Christian moderation and gentleness toward the several

sorts of God’s people, professing particular repentance for their

spiritual captivity and bondage; during which captivity also, I readily

acknowledge the substance of repentance, and of all the graces of Christ

in general.

[Sidenote: Mr. Cotton.]

In his second answer, Mr. Cotton saith, I “grant with the one hand, and

take away with the other; for he denies it necessary to the admission

of members, that every one should be convinced of the sinfulness of

every sipping of the whore’s cup, ‘for,’ saith he, ‘every sipping of a

drunkard’s cup is not sinful.’”

[Sidenote: Some have drunk deep of the whore’s cup, and some but sipped

yet intoxicated.]

_Answer._ First he doth not rightly allege my words; for a little before

he confesseth my words to be, that anti-christian drunkenness and

whoredom is to be confessed of all such as have drunk of the whore’s cup,

or but sipped of it. In which words I plainly distinguished between such

as have drunk deeper of her cup, as papists, popish priests, &c., and

such, as in comparison have but sipped, as God’s own people; who yet by

such sipping have been so intoxicated, as to practice spiritual whoredom

against Christ, in submitting to false churches, ministry, worship, &c.

Secondly, whereas he saith every sipping of a drunkard’s cup is not

sinful:—

I answer: neither the least sipping, nor constant drinking out of the

cup which a drunkard useth to drink in, is sinful; but every drunken

sip, which is our question, is questionless sinful, and so consequently

to be avoided by the sober, whether the cup of corporal or spiritual

drunkenness.

CHAP. XVIII.

[Sidenote: Mr. Cotton.]

_Mr. Cotton._ “Yea; but,” saith he, “the three thousand Jews were

admitted when they repented of their murdering of Christ, although they

never saw all the superstitious leavenings wherewith the Pharisees had

bewitched them: and so no doubt may godly persons now, although they be

not yet convinced of every passage of anti-christian superstition, &c.;

and that upon this ground, that spiritual whoredom and drunkenness is not

so soon discerned as corporal.”

[_Answer._] I answer, it is not indeed so easily discerned, and yet

not the less sinful, but infinitely transcendent, as much as spiritual

sobriety exceeds corporal, and the bed of the most high God, exceeds the

beds of men, who are but dust and ashes.

[Sidenote: The first Christians the best pattern for all Christians now.

The power of true repentance for killing of Christ.]

Secondly, I answer, the converted Jews, although they saw not all the

leavenings of the Pharisees, yet they mourned for killing of Christ, and

embraced him in his worship, ministry, government, and were added to his

church: and oh! that the least beams of light and sparkles of heat were

in mine own, and others’ souls, which were kindled by the Holy Spirit of

God in those famous converts at the preaching of Peter, Acts ii. The true

Christ now in his worship, ministry, &c. being discerned, and repentance

for persecuting and killing of him being expressed, there necessarily

follows a withdrawing from the church, ministry, and worship of the false

Christ, and submission unto the true: and this is the sum and substance

of our controversy.

[Sidenote: Mr. Cotton.]

Concerning the confession of sins unto John, he grants the disciples of

John confessed their sins, the publicans theirs, the soldiers theirs, the

people theirs; but, saith he, “it appears not that they confessed their

pharisaical pollution.”

And concerning the confession Acts xix. 18, [19,] he saith, it is not

expressed “that they confessed all their deeds.”

_Answer._ If both these confessed their notorious sins, as Mr. Cotton

expresseth, why not as well their notorious sins against God, their

idolatries, superstitious worships, &c? Surely throughout the whole

scripture, the matters of God and his worship are first and most

tenderly handled; his people are ever described by the title of his

worshippers, and his enemies by the title of worshippers of false gods,

and worshipping the true after a false manner; and to prove this were to

bring forth a candle to the bright shining of the sun at noon day.

CHAP. XIX.

_Mr. Cotton._ His third answer is; “But to satisfy you more fully,

and the Lord make you willing in true meekness of spirit to receive

satisfaction, the body of the members do in general profess, that the

reason of their coming over to us was that they might be freed from the

bondage of human inventions and ordinances, as their souls groaned

under, for which also they profess their hearty sorrow, so far as

through ignorance or infirmity they have been defiled. Beside, in our

daily meetings, and specially in the times of our solemn humiliations,

we generally all of us bewail all our former pollutions wherewith

we have defiled ourselves and the holy things of God, in our former

administrations and communions; but we rather choose to do it than

talk of it. And we can but wonder how you can so boldly and resolutely

renounce all the churches of God, for neglect of that which you know not

whether they have neglected or no, and before you have admonished us of

our sinfulness in such neglect, if it be found amongst us.”

[Sidenote: How can a soul truly oppose anti-christ, that endures not to

have his name questioned.]

_Answer._ I answer, with humble desires to the Father of lights for

the true meekness and wisdom of his Spirit, here is mention of human

inventions and ordinances, and defiling themselves and holy things of God

in former administrations and communions, and yet no mention what such

inventions and ordinances, what such administrations and communions were.

“We rather choose to do it,” saith he, “than to talk of it;” which makes

me call to mind an expression of an eminent and worthy person amongst

them in a solemn conference, viz., What need we speak of anti-christ, can

we not enjoy our liberties without inveighing against anti-christ? &c.

[Sidenote: Mr. Cotton witnessing against a national church, and yet

holding fellowship with it.]

The truth is, I acknowledge their witness against ceremonies and bishops;

but that yet they see not the evil of a national church, notwithstanding

they constitute only particular and independent [congregations,] let

their constant practice speak, in still joining with such churches and

ministers in the ordinances of the word and prayer, and their persecuting

of myself for my humble, and faithful, and constant admonishing of them,

of such unclean walking between a particular church, which they only

profess to be Christ’s, and a national [one], which Mr. Cotton professeth

to separate from.[256]

[Sidenote: Impossible for the answerer to be ignorant of their church

estate, as Mr. Cotton pretendeth.]

But how could I possibly be ignorant, as he seemeth to charge me, of

their state, when being from first to last in fellowship with them,

an officer amongst them, had private and public agitations concerning

their state and condition with all or most of their ministers, and at

last suffered for such admonitions to them, the misery of a winter’s

banishment amongst the barbarians? and yet, saith he, “You know not what

we have done, neither have you admonished us of our sinfulness.”

CHAP. XX.

[Sidenote: Mr. Cotton.]

A third scripture which I produced was Haggai ii. 13, 14, 15, desiring

that the place might be thoroughly weighed, and that the Lord might

please to hold the scales himself, the prophet there telling the church

of the Jews, that if a person unclean by a dead body touch holy things,

those holy things become unclean unto them: and so, saith he, in this

nation, and so is every work of their hands and that which they offer

is unclean; whence I inferred, that even church covenants made, and

ordinances practised, by persons polluted through spiritual deadness, and

filthiness of communion, such covenants and ordinances become unclean

unto them, and are profaned by them.

_Mr. Cotton._ Mr. Cotton answers, “your purpose was to prove that

churches cannot be constituted by such persons as are unclean by

anti-christian pollutions; or if they be so constituted they are not to

be communicated with, but separated from. But the prophet acknowledgeth

the whole church of the Jews to be unclean, and yet neither denies them

to be a church truly constituted, nor stirs up himself or others to

separate from them.”

[Sidenote: The church of the Jews a national church truly constituted,

therefore not to be separated from.]

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