Mr. GRIFFIN. Are there any changes that you would make in that?

Mr. KANTOR. There was something I thought I saw in here.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Take your time.

Mr. KANTOR. All right.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Meanwhile, for the record, that Exhibit No. 7 is a

document which consists of 5 pages and it is numbered consecutively at

the bottom 431 through pages 435.

Mr. KANTOR. I have seen something in here which made me think of a

letter I have received since the occasion of this interview with the

FBI.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Go ahead and tell us about it.

Mr. KANTOR. The letter was from Jack Ruby, from the county jail in

Dallas. I wrote him approximately at the end of January from my office,

on Scripps-Howard stationery, telling him that I had made a couple of

attempts to see him in Dallas, both in the city jail and in the county

jail, and had failed, and asked him if I could ask him some questions.

A letter postmarked February 2, I believe it was, in San Francisco,

was received by me then from Melvin Belli, who was Ruby’s attorney at

the time, thanking me for writing to Jack and saying that he had told

Jack to forward on any mail that came from reporters, and that Jack had

done the right thing and that he was sure--he being Belli--that I would

understand that Ruby could not comment before the trial.

Then I received a letter postmarked the next day which would have been

February 3d, from Ruby, from his Dallas county jail cell, telling me

he had forwarded on my letter to Belli and apologizing for having done

so but he was told to do that. And in the letter he made an offhanded

personal remark that he had liked to follow my stories in the Fort

Worth Press, which is a Scripps-Howard paper, and was in hopes of

seeing me again.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you in your letter to Ruby made any reference to the

fact that you had seen him at Parkland Hospital on the 22d?

Mr. KANTOR. No; I did not.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Belli in his letter to you make any reference to your

newspaper article?

Mr. KANTOR. No; he did not.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I take it Ruby didn’t make any reference to it to you in

his letter?

Mr. KANTOR. No; he did not, and one of the factors prompting my letter

to him was this interview with the two FBI agents here in Washington,

because one of them had told me that the FBI talked to Ruby in his

jail cell and he had denied being in the hospital on the afternoon of

November 22d. This is really what I was angling for, although I didn’t

want to write that question directly to Jack Ruby.

Mr. HUBERT. Is it not a fact that in the story that you had seen Jack

at the Parkland Hospital, had been made public before you wrote to Jack

Ruby, I think you said on February----

Mr. KANTOR. Late in January.

Mr. HUBERT. Late in January?

Mr. KANTOR. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. That story had been in the press for some considerable

time, isn’t that correct?

Mr. KANTOR. It appeared in the press the day after Ruby killed Oswald.

Mr. HUBERT. All right. I think the record should show that Exhibit No.

8 consists of 4 pages, numbered in sequence 163 through 167.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to ask you at least one question in connection

with these interviews generally. Did the FBI agent who originally

interviewed you on December 3 tell you how he happened to come to

interview you?

Mr. KANTOR. He had learned about my statement of Ruby being in the

hospital through reading my story or through hearing about the story.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, is this something that he told you or is this an

inference that you have drawn?

Mr. KANTOR. No; he told me that. I know the agent in question, Vince

Drain.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I believe you told us yesterday that you were the only

Scripps-Howard reporter at Parkland Hospital at the time that you saw

Ruby and made the phone calls.

Mr. KANTOR. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, how many other Scripps-Howard reporters were there

with the White House entourage that originally went down to Dallas?

Mr. KANTOR. There was none besides myself.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How many Scripps-Howard reporters who reported back to the

Washington office ultimately were in Dallas on the 22d, 23d, and 24th?

Mr. KANTOR. There was none besides myself.

Mr. GRIFFIN. So the only--you were the only representative of the

Scripps-Howard chain as an entity?

Mr. KANTOR. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And any other reporters who may have been connected

with Scripps-Howard there were from newspapers affiliated with the

Scripps-Howard chain?

Mr. KANTOR. Yes; that is right. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of coverage or distribution were the stories

that you wrote on the 22d and 23d given by the Scripps-Howard chain?

Mr. KANTOR. They were widely used, I believe; virtually every paper in

the chain used the stories.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any questions, Mr. Hubert?

Mr. HUBERT. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I have none. Do you have anything further that you would

want to say?

Mr. KANTOR. Nothing further.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Thank you very much.

Mr. HUBERT. We will have those photostated and if you could call in

some time tomorrow we will see if we can’t arrange to get them to you,

or mail them, or do something.

Mr. KANTOR. If you don’t mind, I would like to pick them up, but wonder

if I could pick them up Friday.

TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM D. CROWE, JR.

The testimony of William D. Crowe, Jr., was taken at 2:30 p.m., on

June 2, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C., by Messrs.

Leon D. Hubert, Jr., and Burt W. Griffin, assistant counsel of the

President’s Commission.

Mr. HUBERT. This is a deposition of Mr. William D. Crowe, Jr., who also

uses the professional or stage name of Bill DeMar.

Mr. Crowe, my name is Leon D. Hubert and I am a member of the advisory

staff of the general counsel on the President’s Commission under

the provisions of Executive Order 11130 issued by President Johnson

on November 29, 1963, the joint resolution of Congress No. 137, and

the rules and procedure adopted by the President’s Commission in

conformance with that Executive order and that joint resolution, I have

been authorized to take a sworn deposition from you.

I state to you now that the general nature of the Commission’s inquiry

is to ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts relevant to the

assassination of President Kennedy, and the subsequent violent death

of Lee Harvey Oswald. In particular as to you, Mr. Crowe, the nature

of the inquiry is to determine what facts you know about the death of

Oswald or the relationship that there might have been between Oswald

and Ruby and any other pertinent facts that you may know about the

general inquiry. Now, Mr. Crowe, you appear today, I believe, by virtue

of a letter addressed to you by Mr. J. Lee Rankin, general counsel of

the staff of the President’s Commission, is that correct?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you receive it?

Mr. CROWE. Friday; Friday, I guess.

Mr. HUBERT. That would have been the 29th of May, is that correct?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. I notice you are looking at an envelope. Is that the

envelope?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. That it came in?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What is the post date on it?

Mr. CROWE. That is what I am looking for. It has no post date. The

thing is blank.

Mr. HUBERT. What is the date of the letter itself?

Mr. CROWE. May 28; so it must have been the 29th.

Mr. HUBERT. You think you received it on the 29th, last Friday. Is that

correct?

Mr. CROWE. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. All right. Now would you please stand, sir, so I may

administer the oath. Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that

the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole

truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. CROWE. I do.

Mr. HUBERT. Will you state your name for the record, please, sir?

Mr. CROWE. William D. Crowe, Jr.

Mr. HUBERT. Mr. Crowe, I understand that you also have a stage or

professional name that you have been using for some time and still do

use, is that correct?

Mr. CROWE. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. What is that name?

Mr. CROWE. Bill DeMar.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, you have never actually legally changed your name from

William Crowe to Bill DeMar, have you?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. And by legally changed your name, I mean a court proceeding

to change your name officially from Crowe to DeMar?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. This is purely a stage name?

Mr. CROWE. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. Where do you reside, Mr. DeMar?

Mr. CROWE. Right now at 90 West 34th Street, Bayonne, N.J.

Mr. HUBERT. How old are you, sir?

Mr. CROWE. Thirty-two.

Mr. HUBERT. Are you married?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever been married?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Are you divorced?

Mr. CROWE. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you mind stating for the record who you were married to

and when, and the date of the divorce?

Mr. CROWE. Her maiden name was Golden Thompson.

Mr. HUBERT. T-h-o-m-p-s-o-n; is that correct?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you marry this lady?

Mr. CROWE. November 22, 1959, I think.

Mr. HUBERT. And where were you married?

Mr. CROWE. In Evansville, Ind.

Mr. HUBERT. Evansville. Is your----

Mr. CROWE. Home town.

Mr. HUBERT. That is where you were born and educated and reared, is

that correct?

Mr. CROWE. That is correct.

Mr. HUBERT. When were you divorced?

Mr. CROWE. Around, I think it was around, February of 1962.

Mr. HUBERT. And where?

Mr. CROWE. In Evansville, Ind.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you been married to anyone other than this lady?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you have any children?

Mr. CROWE. One.

Mr. HUBERT. What is the name of that child and how old is he?

Mr. CROWE. William D. Crowe, the 3d, and he is four and a half

approximately.

Mr. HUBERT. Has your wife remarried?

Mr. CROWE. Yes; she has.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know the name of her husband?

Mr. CROWE. Larry Kuence.

Mr. HUBERT. Where do they live?

Mr. CROWE. In Evansville, I don’t know the address for sure, on the

north side some place.

Mr. HUBERT. What is your occupation, sir?

Mr. CROWE. Entertainer.

Mr. HUBERT. How long have you been in that line of endeavor?

Mr. CROWE. Off and on for 15 years.

Mr. HUBERT. I think you said you were 32.

Mr. CROWE. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. So you have been in the entertainment field since you were

17 years old?

Mr. CROWE. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. What educational background do you have?

Mr. CROWE. High school graduate.

Mr. HUBERT. And immediately after leaving high school, I suppose you

got into the entertainment business?

Mr. CROWE. No; well, yes. I started during right before the senior

year, and then I went into the service for 3 years after high school.

Mr. HUBERT. I see.

Mr. CROWE. In 1951.

Mr. HUBERT. So it was after you left the service that you entered the

entertainment field?

Mr. CROWE. I continued with the entertainment field. I did it while I

was in the service also.

Mr. HUBERT. You did it there also; I see. Have you ever had a partner

in any of your acts or entertainment endeavors?

Mr. CROWE. No; not really.

Mr. HUBERT. Can you give us by way of description what sort of

entertainment act you have done in the past?

Mr. CROWE. Primarily a ventriloquist; also do a little standup comedy,

impressions.

Mr. HUBERT. Can you name for the record some of the places that you

have played in--is that the professional term--or appeared in?

Mr. CROWE. Well, I have been over a great part of most of the United

States and around Germany, and Western Canada and Eastern Canada. Like

the T-Bone Supper Club in Wichita. Let’s see, the Larue Supper Club

in Indianapolis, the Orchid Club in Tulsa. Club dates in Seattle,

Washington, Atlanta, Georgia, New York.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, I suppose that you have an agent, don’t you, who does

your booking for you?

Mr. CROWE. Several agents. Depending on what part of the country.

Mr. HUBERT. You are also a member of the----

Mr. CROWE. American Guild of Variety Artists.

Mr. HUBERT. I suppose they have a record actually of every show or

place that you have been don’t they?

Mr. CROWE. I would imagine possibly they do.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, have you developed any particular specialty of late?

Mr. CROWE. Well, I have several gimmicks, I call them, that I feature

in my vent act. That would be about all.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, I think you were playing at the Carousel Club in

Dallas shortly before the death of President Kennedy, isn’t that

correct?

Mr. CROWE. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever been there before?

Mr. CROWE. Three times before.

Mr. HUBERT. You have. Would you state the times that you have been

there, just roughly the approximate times, and the approximate length

of each stay?

Mr. CROWE. Let’s see, about April of 1962 I was there for 2 weeks, and

then I was gone for about 7 weeks, came back for 3 weeks, and was out

for maybe a month. Came back for 4 weeks, was gone for about a year,

and 2 months, and came back for 6 weeks.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you come back to the Carousel the last time?

Mr. CROWE. About the 1st of November.

Mr. HUBERT. Was that booking done by yourself or some agent of yours?

Mr. CROWE. Well, it was more by myself but it was a club that belonged

to an agent of mine so I paid him a commission to keep on the interest.

Mr. HUBERT. When you say the club belonged to an agent of yours you

don’t mean that he owned the club?

Mr. CROWE. No; the agent booked it.

Mr. HUBERT. He owned the right to book you there, is that it?

Mr. CROWE. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. So you paid him a normal fee for booking at that place even

though you arranged to go yourself?

Mr. CROWE. Between Jack Ruby and myself, yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Was there any particular reason why you wanted to go back

to Jack Ruby’s club?

Mr. CROWE. I didn’t, but Jack can be pretty persuasive at times, and

because I had been there so many times before, and the agent said that

I would possibly go up to Kansas City but it wouldn’t be for a week or

more.

Mr. HUBERT. Who was that agent?

Mr. CROWE. Wayne Keller in St. Louis.

Mr. HUBERT. Where is he located?

Mr. CROWE. St. Louis.

Mr. HUBERT. Go ahead.

Mr. CROWE. A week’s out of work you know, is a couple of hundred

dollars, so----

Mr. HUBERT. Where were you at the time that he advised you of that?

Mr. CROWE. At the T-Bone in Wichita.

Mr. HUBERT. All right. So when he told you that he had another booking

for you elsewhere, but it would be a week, what happened next?

Mr. CROWE. I told Jack I would go ahead and come down to his place.

Mr. HUBERT. Jack had contacted you at the T-Bone?

Mr. CROWE. He had called me at the T-Bone.

Mr. HUBERT. How long before? How long before you actually went to

Jack’s Carousel Club had he called you inviting you to come?

Mr. CROWE. Four days.

Mr. HUBERT. Was it arranged then as to how long your booking would be

there?

Mr. CROWE. No; nothing definite. I said 4 or 5 weeks.

Mr. HUBERT. You had no written contract, did you?

Mr. CROWE. I don’t recall whether I wrote the contract before I went

down or after I got there.

Mr. HUBERT. But there was a written contract?

Mr. CROWE. There was a contract, yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Who would have a copy of that? Would you?

Mr. CROWE. I would have a copy of it.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you have it in fact?

Mr. CROWE. Yes; but not on me.

Mr. HUBERT. I suppose it is a standard contract?

Mr. CROWE. Standard AGVA.

Mr. HUBERT. What is it?

Mr. CROWE. American Guild of Variety Artists.

Mr. HUBERT. What was the word you used?

Mr. CROWE. Standard AGVA.

Mr. HUBERT. Standard AGVA form. What was the agreed price?

Mr. CROWE. $182.50.

Mr. HUBERT. Per week?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you begin?

Mr. CROWE. It was about 2 weeks before that eventful weekend. That was

on the 22d.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the day of the week that you began. Perhaps

it would help you if you would look at this calendar of 1963, which--do

you have a calendar of 1963?

Mr. CROWE. I am not sure, I think so.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember what day of the week you would normally

begin?

Mr. CROWE. Monday would be, the 11th.

Mr. HUBERT. Your thought is that you began on Monday, November 11, is

that correct?

Mr. CROWE. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. Does the fact that it was Armed Services Day or Armistice

Day, as it used to be called, assist your recollection that it was that

day? I mean, is there any doubt about the fact----

Mr. CROWE. Was that Armistice Day?

Mr. HUBERT. Yes, November 11.

Mr. CROWE. I don’t know.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, let me put it this way, is there any doubt in your

mind that that is the day you started, on the 11th?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. How many telephone calls do you suppose you got from Ruby

in connection with this last engagement?

Mr. CROWE. Oh, maybe three.

Mr. HUBERT. Those would have been to the T-Bone Hotel at Wichita?

Mr. CROWE. No; there was no T-Bone Hotel.

Mr. HUBERT. What was the place?

Mr. CROWE. The T-Bone Club. It was at the motel where I was staying.

Mr. HUBERT. What motel was that?

Mr. CROWE. I think it was “El” something, I don’t recall. Right around

the corner there. It began with an “E”.

Mr. HUBERT. It was near the T-Bone Club, is that correct?

Mr. CROWE. Right. El Morocco maybe, I don’t know.

Mr. HUBERT. When did the engagement which began on November 11, end in

fact?

Mr. CROWE. Right before Christmas, which was about, let’s see--do you

have a calendar again?

Mr. HUBERT. Here is a calendar of 1963 again. Let me put it this way:

Did your engagement last for the entire period that you contracted for?

Mr. CROWE. Longer.

Mr. HUBERT. I see. And your thought is that you left on the 21st of

December?

Mr. CROWE. Twenty-first.

Mr. HUBERT. Tell us in general what contacts you had with Jack Ruby

during the period of November 11 through the 22d or the 22d of

November, to the day that the President was shot?

Mr. CROWE. Well, outside of seeing him in the club when he was there,

and going to breakfast with him once in awhile after working hours,

that was about it.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you live in Dallas?

Mr. CROWE. At that time I was at the Palomino Hotel on Fort Worth

Avenue.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you choose that place yourself?

Mr. CROWE. Yes; I had stayed there previously.

Mr. HUBERT. Do I understand from your statement that your contacts with

Ruby were limited to a few breakfasts that you had with him?

Mr. CROWE. That is about it.

Mr. HUBERT. Otherwise, I suppose it would have been simply business

conversations, or were there any business conversations?

Mr. CROWE. The only thing, about the only thing Jack ever spoke of was

the club, one club or the other.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, on these occasions when you went to breakfast, what

did he discuss, if you recall?

Mr. CROWE. Business, money, the show itself, the band, the girls.

Mr. HUBERT. By the way, when you say breakfast, I assume you mean

the meal that you took after the club closed about 2 o’clock in the

morning, is that correct.

Mr. CROWE. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you normally go?

Mr. CROWE. There was no normal, whatever suited his fancy.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he discuss with you the twistboard operation that he

was interested in?

Mr. CROWE. No; he mentioned, I know he had one there that he was giving

away as a prize.

Mr. HUBERT. You were not the master of ceremonies, were you?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. You were. In addition to the act you had, you were also

master of ceremonies?

Mr. CROWE. I introduced the other acts, yes.

Mr. HUBERT. And then you did some acting yourself?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall the names of some of the other employees or

performers at the Carousel?

Mr. CROWE. You want the performers or the employees?

Mr. HUBERT. Well, both. If you remember their names.

Mr. CROWE. Let’s see, at that time--at the time----

Mr. HUBERT. Of this last engagement.

Mr. CROWE. At the assassination because they had changed. At the time I

came there and the time I left there were different ones.

Mr. HUBERT. They changed just within that 11-day period?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, can you tell us those who were there when you first

came and when they left and then which others came on afterwards?

Mr. CROWE. Tammi True.

Mr. HUBERT. Did she remain the entire time you were there?

Mr. CROWE. No, no; she left a week after I was there.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know why?

Mr. CROWE. No; her and Jack got into it is all I know.

Mr. HUBERT. You mean by that she had some sort of an argument?

Mr. CROWE. Yes; I would say.

Mr. HUBERT. Was Jada there then?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Was she at the T-Bone Club?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know who I mean when I say Jada, do you know who

that person is?

Mr. CROWE. I met her once but I have never worked with her.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you meet her?

Mr. CROWE. In Dallas.

Mr. HUBERT. Was she then working for Ruby?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall when you met her?

Mr. CROWE. Around November 30, maybe.

Mr. HUBERT. Of what year?

Mr. CROWE. At the same time I was there.

Mr. HUBERT. 1963?

Mr. CROWE. 1963.

Mr. HUBERT. You met her after the death of the President and after the

death of Oswald?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you meet her?

Mr. CROWE. I don’t remember the name of the club. It begins with an

“M,” upstairs private club, about 3 blocks from the Carousel.

Mr. HUBERT. She was playing there?

Mr. CROWE. No; she was shooting a film there.

Mr. HUBERT. What sort of a film was that?

Mr. CROWE. A film that Diamond Pictures was making.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what the subject of it was?

Mr. CROWE. A stripper in Dallas, I think.

Mr. HUBERT. Were you part of that film?

Mr. CROWE. I did a relief, a comedy relief segment.

Mr. HUBERT. That was about the 30th of November, you say?

Mr. CROWE. Approximately, I don’t know for sure.

Mr. HUBERT. It lasted only a few days, I take it?

Mr. CROWE. A couple of days I know of.

Mr. HUBERT. You had not met her before?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, prior to the President’s visit to Dallas, do you

recall having either discussed with Ruby the forthcoming visit or heard

Ruby say anything concerning it?

Mr. CROWE. No; and the time I had known him I had never recalled ever

having heard him discuss politics or anybody in it.

Mr. HUBERT. That means over this 2 or 3 years you knew him?

Mr. CROWE. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Mr. Hubert, if I can ask a question here.

Mr. HUBERT. Let me finish this phase of the questioning. What was the

general format of the show during the period from November 11 until the

22d, I believe. Will you describe to us briefly just how it operated,

and what went on?

Mr. CROWE. Well, I came on stage and opened the show.

Mr. HUBERT. Was there any kind of opening music, for instance?

Mr. CROWE. I think we tried a show tune song but I never could sing

so I didn’t do it. I always backed out every time I got on stage, I

wouldn’t do it. I would start into it maybe and then I would quit and

fade out or something, I would chicken out.

Mr. HUBERT. What about the band, did the band play any particular type

of music to start off the show or to end it?

Mr. CROWE. Particular? Just, you know, introduction music.

Mr. HUBERT. Specifically, did they play any type of patriotic music?

Mr. CROWE. Patriotic music?

Mr. HUBERT. Yes.

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. By patriotic I mean music like America or----

Mr. CROWE. No, no; it is a jazz combo. They wouldn’t play----

Mr. HUBERT. When did you first hear of the shooting of the President

and where were you?

Mr. CROWE. I was in the Palomino Hotel and I first heard of it about 4

or so, 4:30.

Mr. HUBERT. How do you fix the time?

Mr. CROWE. That is when I woke up.

Mr. HUBERT. How did you hear it, did someone tell you?

Mr. CROWE. On transistor radio.

Mr. HUBERT. No one had called you?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. What did you do after hearing it?

Mr. CROWE. I did what other people did, I guess.

Mr. HUBERT. And that is what?

Mr. CROWE. Cried.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you speak to anyone?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you see anyone? Put it this way, who was the first

person you saw or spoke to after that?

Mr. CROWE. Well, let’s see. I woke up, turned on the radio, heard the

news. After composure, I think I went down to the shopping center, had

a bite to eat, came back, and got dressed to go down to the club and

then didn’t feel like working, I didn’t think I should, but nobody had

called me not to, and I got down there, and there was a sign on it, out

front, you know, says “closed.”

Mr. HUBERT. What time was that?

Mr. CROWE. Oh, about 9, I guess.

Mr. HUBERT. No one from the club had called you at all?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Andy Armstrong?

Mr. CROWE. Yes; Andrew Armstrong. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. He did not call you?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Ruby did not?

Mr. CROWE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. So you just went on your way, I take it?

Mr. CROWE. If they had called me I wouldn’t have gotten dressed and

went down there. No; I went down there and they had a sign on the front

that said closed and I was relieved and glad. I didn’t think they

should be open anyway. I drove around the block and the other two clubs

were closed. So I went back home.

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