Mr. KANTOR. There was something I thought I saw in here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Take your time.
Mr. KANTOR. All right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Meanwhile, for the record, that Exhibit No. 7 is a
document which consists of 5 pages and it is numbered consecutively at
the bottom 431 through pages 435.
Mr. KANTOR. I have seen something in here which made me think of a
letter I have received since the occasion of this interview with the
FBI.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Go ahead and tell us about it.
Mr. KANTOR. The letter was from Jack Ruby, from the county jail in
Dallas. I wrote him approximately at the end of January from my office,
on Scripps-Howard stationery, telling him that I had made a couple of
attempts to see him in Dallas, both in the city jail and in the county
jail, and had failed, and asked him if I could ask him some questions.
A letter postmarked February 2, I believe it was, in San Francisco,
was received by me then from Melvin Belli, who was Ruby’s attorney at
the time, thanking me for writing to Jack and saying that he had told
Jack to forward on any mail that came from reporters, and that Jack had
done the right thing and that he was sure--he being Belli--that I would
understand that Ruby could not comment before the trial.
Then I received a letter postmarked the next day which would have been
February 3d, from Ruby, from his Dallas county jail cell, telling me
he had forwarded on my letter to Belli and apologizing for having done
so but he was told to do that. And in the letter he made an offhanded
personal remark that he had liked to follow my stories in the Fort
Worth Press, which is a Scripps-Howard paper, and was in hopes of
seeing me again.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you in your letter to Ruby made any reference to the
fact that you had seen him at Parkland Hospital on the 22d?
Mr. KANTOR. No; I did not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Belli in his letter to you make any reference to your
newspaper article?
Mr. KANTOR. No; he did not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I take it Ruby didn’t make any reference to it to you in
his letter?
Mr. KANTOR. No; he did not, and one of the factors prompting my letter
to him was this interview with the two FBI agents here in Washington,
because one of them had told me that the FBI talked to Ruby in his
jail cell and he had denied being in the hospital on the afternoon of
November 22d. This is really what I was angling for, although I didn’t
want to write that question directly to Jack Ruby.
Mr. HUBERT. Is it not a fact that in the story that you had seen Jack
at the Parkland Hospital, had been made public before you wrote to Jack
Ruby, I think you said on February----
Mr. KANTOR. Late in January.
Mr. HUBERT. Late in January?
Mr. KANTOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That story had been in the press for some considerable
time, isn’t that correct?
Mr. KANTOR. It appeared in the press the day after Ruby killed Oswald.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. I think the record should show that Exhibit No.
8 consists of 4 pages, numbered in sequence 163 through 167.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to ask you at least one question in connection
with these interviews generally. Did the FBI agent who originally
interviewed you on December 3 tell you how he happened to come to
interview you?
Mr. KANTOR. He had learned about my statement of Ruby being in the
hospital through reading my story or through hearing about the story.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, is this something that he told you or is this an
inference that you have drawn?
Mr. KANTOR. No; he told me that. I know the agent in question, Vince
Drain.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I believe you told us yesterday that you were the only
Scripps-Howard reporter at Parkland Hospital at the time that you saw
Ruby and made the phone calls.
Mr. KANTOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, how many other Scripps-Howard reporters were there
with the White House entourage that originally went down to Dallas?
Mr. KANTOR. There was none besides myself.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many Scripps-Howard reporters who reported back to the
Washington office ultimately were in Dallas on the 22d, 23d, and 24th?
Mr. KANTOR. There was none besides myself.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So the only--you were the only representative of the
Scripps-Howard chain as an entity?
Mr. KANTOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And any other reporters who may have been connected
with Scripps-Howard there were from newspapers affiliated with the
Scripps-Howard chain?
Mr. KANTOR. Yes; that is right. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of coverage or distribution were the stories
that you wrote on the 22d and 23d given by the Scripps-Howard chain?
Mr. KANTOR. They were widely used, I believe; virtually every paper in
the chain used the stories.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any questions, Mr. Hubert?
Mr. HUBERT. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I have none. Do you have anything further that you would
want to say?
Mr. KANTOR. Nothing further.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Thank you very much.
Mr. HUBERT. We will have those photostated and if you could call in
some time tomorrow we will see if we can’t arrange to get them to you,
or mail them, or do something.
Mr. KANTOR. If you don’t mind, I would like to pick them up, but wonder
if I could pick them up Friday.
TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM D. CROWE, JR.
The testimony of William D. Crowe, Jr., was taken at 2:30 p.m., on
June 2, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C., by Messrs.
Leon D. Hubert, Jr., and Burt W. Griffin, assistant counsel of the
President’s Commission.
Mr. HUBERT. This is a deposition of Mr. William D. Crowe, Jr., who also
uses the professional or stage name of Bill DeMar.
Mr. Crowe, my name is Leon D. Hubert and I am a member of the advisory
staff of the general counsel on the President’s Commission under
the provisions of Executive Order 11130 issued by President Johnson
on November 29, 1963, the joint resolution of Congress No. 137, and
the rules and procedure adopted by the President’s Commission in
conformance with that Executive order and that joint resolution, I have
been authorized to take a sworn deposition from you.
I state to you now that the general nature of the Commission’s inquiry
is to ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts relevant to the
assassination of President Kennedy, and the subsequent violent death
of Lee Harvey Oswald. In particular as to you, Mr. Crowe, the nature
of the inquiry is to determine what facts you know about the death of
Oswald or the relationship that there might have been between Oswald
and Ruby and any other pertinent facts that you may know about the
general inquiry. Now, Mr. Crowe, you appear today, I believe, by virtue
of a letter addressed to you by Mr. J. Lee Rankin, general counsel of
the staff of the President’s Commission, is that correct?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you receive it?
Mr. CROWE. Friday; Friday, I guess.
Mr. HUBERT. That would have been the 29th of May, is that correct?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. I notice you are looking at an envelope. Is that the
envelope?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That it came in?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What is the post date on it?
Mr. CROWE. That is what I am looking for. It has no post date. The
thing is blank.
Mr. HUBERT. What is the date of the letter itself?
Mr. CROWE. May 28; so it must have been the 29th.
Mr. HUBERT. You think you received it on the 29th, last Friday. Is that
correct?
Mr. CROWE. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. Now would you please stand, sir, so I may
administer the oath. Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that
the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole
truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. CROWE. I do.
Mr. HUBERT. Will you state your name for the record, please, sir?
Mr. CROWE. William D. Crowe, Jr.
Mr. HUBERT. Mr. Crowe, I understand that you also have a stage or
professional name that you have been using for some time and still do
use, is that correct?
Mr. CROWE. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. What is that name?
Mr. CROWE. Bill DeMar.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you have never actually legally changed your name from
William Crowe to Bill DeMar, have you?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. And by legally changed your name, I mean a court proceeding
to change your name officially from Crowe to DeMar?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. This is purely a stage name?
Mr. CROWE. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. Where do you reside, Mr. DeMar?
Mr. CROWE. Right now at 90 West 34th Street, Bayonne, N.J.
Mr. HUBERT. How old are you, sir?
Mr. CROWE. Thirty-two.
Mr. HUBERT. Are you married?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever been married?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Are you divorced?
Mr. CROWE. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you mind stating for the record who you were married to
and when, and the date of the divorce?
Mr. CROWE. Her maiden name was Golden Thompson.
Mr. HUBERT. T-h-o-m-p-s-o-n; is that correct?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you marry this lady?
Mr. CROWE. November 22, 1959, I think.
Mr. HUBERT. And where were you married?
Mr. CROWE. In Evansville, Ind.
Mr. HUBERT. Evansville. Is your----
Mr. CROWE. Home town.
Mr. HUBERT. That is where you were born and educated and reared, is
that correct?
Mr. CROWE. That is correct.
Mr. HUBERT. When were you divorced?
Mr. CROWE. Around, I think it was around, February of 1962.
Mr. HUBERT. And where?
Mr. CROWE. In Evansville, Ind.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you been married to anyone other than this lady?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you have any children?
Mr. CROWE. One.
Mr. HUBERT. What is the name of that child and how old is he?
Mr. CROWE. William D. Crowe, the 3d, and he is four and a half
approximately.
Mr. HUBERT. Has your wife remarried?
Mr. CROWE. Yes; she has.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know the name of her husband?
Mr. CROWE. Larry Kuence.
Mr. HUBERT. Where do they live?
Mr. CROWE. In Evansville, I don’t know the address for sure, on the
north side some place.
Mr. HUBERT. What is your occupation, sir?
Mr. CROWE. Entertainer.
Mr. HUBERT. How long have you been in that line of endeavor?
Mr. CROWE. Off and on for 15 years.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you said you were 32.
Mr. CROWE. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. So you have been in the entertainment field since you were
17 years old?
Mr. CROWE. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. What educational background do you have?
Mr. CROWE. High school graduate.
Mr. HUBERT. And immediately after leaving high school, I suppose you
got into the entertainment business?
Mr. CROWE. No; well, yes. I started during right before the senior
year, and then I went into the service for 3 years after high school.
Mr. HUBERT. I see.
Mr. CROWE. In 1951.
Mr. HUBERT. So it was after you left the service that you entered the
entertainment field?
Mr. CROWE. I continued with the entertainment field. I did it while I
was in the service also.
Mr. HUBERT. You did it there also; I see. Have you ever had a partner
in any of your acts or entertainment endeavors?
Mr. CROWE. No; not really.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you give us by way of description what sort of
entertainment act you have done in the past?
Mr. CROWE. Primarily a ventriloquist; also do a little standup comedy,
impressions.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you name for the record some of the places that you
have played in--is that the professional term--or appeared in?
Mr. CROWE. Well, I have been over a great part of most of the United
States and around Germany, and Western Canada and Eastern Canada. Like
the T-Bone Supper Club in Wichita. Let’s see, the Larue Supper Club
in Indianapolis, the Orchid Club in Tulsa. Club dates in Seattle,
Washington, Atlanta, Georgia, New York.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, I suppose that you have an agent, don’t you, who does
your booking for you?
Mr. CROWE. Several agents. Depending on what part of the country.
Mr. HUBERT. You are also a member of the----
Mr. CROWE. American Guild of Variety Artists.
Mr. HUBERT. I suppose they have a record actually of every show or
place that you have been don’t they?
Mr. CROWE. I would imagine possibly they do.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, have you developed any particular specialty of late?
Mr. CROWE. Well, I have several gimmicks, I call them, that I feature
in my vent act. That would be about all.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I think you were playing at the Carousel Club in
Dallas shortly before the death of President Kennedy, isn’t that
correct?
Mr. CROWE. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever been there before?
Mr. CROWE. Three times before.
Mr. HUBERT. You have. Would you state the times that you have been
there, just roughly the approximate times, and the approximate length
of each stay?
Mr. CROWE. Let’s see, about April of 1962 I was there for 2 weeks, and
then I was gone for about 7 weeks, came back for 3 weeks, and was out
for maybe a month. Came back for 4 weeks, was gone for about a year,
and 2 months, and came back for 6 weeks.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you come back to the Carousel the last time?
Mr. CROWE. About the 1st of November.
Mr. HUBERT. Was that booking done by yourself or some agent of yours?
Mr. CROWE. Well, it was more by myself but it was a club that belonged
to an agent of mine so I paid him a commission to keep on the interest.
Mr. HUBERT. When you say the club belonged to an agent of yours you
don’t mean that he owned the club?
Mr. CROWE. No; the agent booked it.
Mr. HUBERT. He owned the right to book you there, is that it?
Mr. CROWE. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. So you paid him a normal fee for booking at that place even
though you arranged to go yourself?
Mr. CROWE. Between Jack Ruby and myself, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Was there any particular reason why you wanted to go back
to Jack Ruby’s club?
Mr. CROWE. I didn’t, but Jack can be pretty persuasive at times, and
because I had been there so many times before, and the agent said that
I would possibly go up to Kansas City but it wouldn’t be for a week or
more.
Mr. HUBERT. Who was that agent?
Mr. CROWE. Wayne Keller in St. Louis.
Mr. HUBERT. Where is he located?
Mr. CROWE. St. Louis.
Mr. HUBERT. Go ahead.
Mr. CROWE. A week’s out of work you know, is a couple of hundred
dollars, so----
Mr. HUBERT. Where were you at the time that he advised you of that?
Mr. CROWE. At the T-Bone in Wichita.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. So when he told you that he had another booking
for you elsewhere, but it would be a week, what happened next?
Mr. CROWE. I told Jack I would go ahead and come down to his place.
Mr. HUBERT. Jack had contacted you at the T-Bone?
Mr. CROWE. He had called me at the T-Bone.
Mr. HUBERT. How long before? How long before you actually went to
Jack’s Carousel Club had he called you inviting you to come?
Mr. CROWE. Four days.
Mr. HUBERT. Was it arranged then as to how long your booking would be
there?
Mr. CROWE. No; nothing definite. I said 4 or 5 weeks.
Mr. HUBERT. You had no written contract, did you?
Mr. CROWE. I don’t recall whether I wrote the contract before I went
down or after I got there.
Mr. HUBERT. But there was a written contract?
Mr. CROWE. There was a contract, yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Who would have a copy of that? Would you?
Mr. CROWE. I would have a copy of it.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you have it in fact?
Mr. CROWE. Yes; but not on me.
Mr. HUBERT. I suppose it is a standard contract?
Mr. CROWE. Standard AGVA.
Mr. HUBERT. What is it?
Mr. CROWE. American Guild of Variety Artists.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the word you used?
Mr. CROWE. Standard AGVA.
Mr. HUBERT. Standard AGVA form. What was the agreed price?
Mr. CROWE. $182.50.
Mr. HUBERT. Per week?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you begin?
Mr. CROWE. It was about 2 weeks before that eventful weekend. That was
on the 22d.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the day of the week that you began. Perhaps
it would help you if you would look at this calendar of 1963, which--do
you have a calendar of 1963?
Mr. CROWE. I am not sure, I think so.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember what day of the week you would normally
begin?
Mr. CROWE. Monday would be, the 11th.
Mr. HUBERT. Your thought is that you began on Monday, November 11, is
that correct?
Mr. CROWE. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. Does the fact that it was Armed Services Day or Armistice
Day, as it used to be called, assist your recollection that it was that
day? I mean, is there any doubt about the fact----
Mr. CROWE. Was that Armistice Day?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes, November 11.
Mr. CROWE. I don’t know.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, let me put it this way, is there any doubt in your
mind that that is the day you started, on the 11th?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. How many telephone calls do you suppose you got from Ruby
in connection with this last engagement?
Mr. CROWE. Oh, maybe three.
Mr. HUBERT. Those would have been to the T-Bone Hotel at Wichita?
Mr. CROWE. No; there was no T-Bone Hotel.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the place?
Mr. CROWE. The T-Bone Club. It was at the motel where I was staying.
Mr. HUBERT. What motel was that?
Mr. CROWE. I think it was “El” something, I don’t recall. Right around
the corner there. It began with an “E”.
Mr. HUBERT. It was near the T-Bone Club, is that correct?
Mr. CROWE. Right. El Morocco maybe, I don’t know.
Mr. HUBERT. When did the engagement which began on November 11, end in
fact?
Mr. CROWE. Right before Christmas, which was about, let’s see--do you
have a calendar again?
Mr. HUBERT. Here is a calendar of 1963 again. Let me put it this way:
Did your engagement last for the entire period that you contracted for?
Mr. CROWE. Longer.
Mr. HUBERT. I see. And your thought is that you left on the 21st of
December?
Mr. CROWE. Twenty-first.
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us in general what contacts you had with Jack Ruby
during the period of November 11 through the 22d or the 22d of
November, to the day that the President was shot?
Mr. CROWE. Well, outside of seeing him in the club when he was there,
and going to breakfast with him once in awhile after working hours,
that was about it.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you live in Dallas?
Mr. CROWE. At that time I was at the Palomino Hotel on Fort Worth
Avenue.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you choose that place yourself?
Mr. CROWE. Yes; I had stayed there previously.
Mr. HUBERT. Do I understand from your statement that your contacts with
Ruby were limited to a few breakfasts that you had with him?
Mr. CROWE. That is about it.
Mr. HUBERT. Otherwise, I suppose it would have been simply business
conversations, or were there any business conversations?
Mr. CROWE. The only thing, about the only thing Jack ever spoke of was
the club, one club or the other.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, on these occasions when you went to breakfast, what
did he discuss, if you recall?
Mr. CROWE. Business, money, the show itself, the band, the girls.
Mr. HUBERT. By the way, when you say breakfast, I assume you mean
the meal that you took after the club closed about 2 o’clock in the
morning, is that correct.
Mr. CROWE. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you normally go?
Mr. CROWE. There was no normal, whatever suited his fancy.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he discuss with you the twistboard operation that he
was interested in?
Mr. CROWE. No; he mentioned, I know he had one there that he was giving
away as a prize.
Mr. HUBERT. You were not the master of ceremonies, were you?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You were. In addition to the act you had, you were also
master of ceremonies?
Mr. CROWE. I introduced the other acts, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And then you did some acting yourself?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall the names of some of the other employees or
performers at the Carousel?
Mr. CROWE. You want the performers or the employees?
Mr. HUBERT. Well, both. If you remember their names.
Mr. CROWE. Let’s see, at that time--at the time----
Mr. HUBERT. Of this last engagement.
Mr. CROWE. At the assassination because they had changed. At the time I
came there and the time I left there were different ones.
Mr. HUBERT. They changed just within that 11-day period?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, can you tell us those who were there when you first
came and when they left and then which others came on afterwards?
Mr. CROWE. Tammi True.
Mr. HUBERT. Did she remain the entire time you were there?
Mr. CROWE. No, no; she left a week after I was there.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know why?
Mr. CROWE. No; her and Jack got into it is all I know.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean by that she had some sort of an argument?
Mr. CROWE. Yes; I would say.
Mr. HUBERT. Was Jada there then?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Was she at the T-Bone Club?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know who I mean when I say Jada, do you know who
that person is?
Mr. CROWE. I met her once but I have never worked with her.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you meet her?
Mr. CROWE. In Dallas.
Mr. HUBERT. Was she then working for Ruby?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall when you met her?
Mr. CROWE. Around November 30, maybe.
Mr. HUBERT. Of what year?
Mr. CROWE. At the same time I was there.
Mr. HUBERT. 1963?
Mr. CROWE. 1963.
Mr. HUBERT. You met her after the death of the President and after the
death of Oswald?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you meet her?
Mr. CROWE. I don’t remember the name of the club. It begins with an
“M,” upstairs private club, about 3 blocks from the Carousel.
Mr. HUBERT. She was playing there?
Mr. CROWE. No; she was shooting a film there.
Mr. HUBERT. What sort of a film was that?
Mr. CROWE. A film that Diamond Pictures was making.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what the subject of it was?
Mr. CROWE. A stripper in Dallas, I think.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you part of that film?
Mr. CROWE. I did a relief, a comedy relief segment.
Mr. HUBERT. That was about the 30th of November, you say?
Mr. CROWE. Approximately, I don’t know for sure.
Mr. HUBERT. It lasted only a few days, I take it?
Mr. CROWE. A couple of days I know of.
Mr. HUBERT. You had not met her before?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, prior to the President’s visit to Dallas, do you
recall having either discussed with Ruby the forthcoming visit or heard
Ruby say anything concerning it?
Mr. CROWE. No; and the time I had known him I had never recalled ever
having heard him discuss politics or anybody in it.
Mr. HUBERT. That means over this 2 or 3 years you knew him?
Mr. CROWE. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mr. Hubert, if I can ask a question here.
Mr. HUBERT. Let me finish this phase of the questioning. What was the
general format of the show during the period from November 11 until the
22d, I believe. Will you describe to us briefly just how it operated,
and what went on?
Mr. CROWE. Well, I came on stage and opened the show.
Mr. HUBERT. Was there any kind of opening music, for instance?
Mr. CROWE. I think we tried a show tune song but I never could sing
so I didn’t do it. I always backed out every time I got on stage, I
wouldn’t do it. I would start into it maybe and then I would quit and
fade out or something, I would chicken out.
Mr. HUBERT. What about the band, did the band play any particular type
of music to start off the show or to end it?
Mr. CROWE. Particular? Just, you know, introduction music.
Mr. HUBERT. Specifically, did they play any type of patriotic music?
Mr. CROWE. Patriotic music?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes.
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. By patriotic I mean music like America or----
Mr. CROWE. No, no; it is a jazz combo. They wouldn’t play----
Mr. HUBERT. When did you first hear of the shooting of the President
and where were you?
Mr. CROWE. I was in the Palomino Hotel and I first heard of it about 4
or so, 4:30.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you fix the time?
Mr. CROWE. That is when I woke up.
Mr. HUBERT. How did you hear it, did someone tell you?
Mr. CROWE. On transistor radio.
Mr. HUBERT. No one had called you?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you do after hearing it?
Mr. CROWE. I did what other people did, I guess.
Mr. HUBERT. And that is what?
Mr. CROWE. Cried.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you speak to anyone?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see anyone? Put it this way, who was the first
person you saw or spoke to after that?
Mr. CROWE. Well, let’s see. I woke up, turned on the radio, heard the
news. After composure, I think I went down to the shopping center, had
a bite to eat, came back, and got dressed to go down to the club and
then didn’t feel like working, I didn’t think I should, but nobody had
called me not to, and I got down there, and there was a sign on it, out
front, you know, says “closed.”
Mr. HUBERT. What time was that?
Mr. CROWE. Oh, about 9, I guess.
Mr. HUBERT. No one from the club had called you at all?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Andy Armstrong?
Mr. CROWE. Yes; Andrew Armstrong. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. He did not call you?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Ruby did not?
Mr. CROWE. No.
Mr. HUBERT. So you just went on your way, I take it?
Mr. CROWE. If they had called me I wouldn’t have gotten dressed and
went down there. No; I went down there and they had a sign on the front
that said closed and I was relieved and glad. I didn’t think they
should be open anyway. I drove around the block and the other two clubs
were closed. So I went back home.