Son. But, mother--

Mother. Don't "mother" me! You are trying to

disgrace your parents._

_Question_. I want to ask you a few questions about

Mr. Talmage's fourth sermon against you, entitled:

"The Meanness of Infidelity," in which he compares

you to Jehoiakim, who had the temerity to throw

some of the writings of the weeping Jeremiah into

the fire?

_Answer_. So far as I am concerned, I really re-

gret that a second edition of Jeremiah's roll was

gotten out. It would have been far better for us all,

if it had been left in ashes. There was nothing but

curses and prophecies of evil, in the sacred roll that

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Jehoiakim burned. The Bible tells us that Jehovah

became exceedingly wroth because of the destruction

of this roll, and pronounced a curse upon Jehoiakim

and upon Palestine. I presume it was on account of

the burning of that roll that the king of Babylon

destroyed the chosen people of God. It was on

account of that sacrilege that the Lord said of

Jehoiakim: "He shall have none to sit upon the

"throne of David; and his dead body shall be cast

"out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the

"frost." Any one can see how much a dead body

would suffer under such circumstances. Imagine an

infinitely wise, good and powerful God taking ven-

geance on the corpse of a barbarian king! What

joy there must have been in heaven as the angels

watched the alternate melting and freezing of the

dead body of Jehoiakim!

Jeremiah was probably the most accomplished

croaker of all time. Nothing satisfied him. He was

a prophetic pessimist,--an ancient Bourbon. He

was only happy when predicting war, pestilence and

famine. No wonder Jehoiakim despised him, and

hated all he wrote.

One can easily see the character of Jeremiah from

the following occurrence: When the Babylonians

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had succeeded in taking Jerusalem, and in sacking

the city, Jeremiah was unfortunately taken prisoner;

but Captain Nebuzaradan came to Jeremiah, and told

him that he would let him go, because he had pro-

phesied against his own country. He was regarded

as a friend by the enemy.

There was, at that time, as now, the old fight

between the church and the civil power. Whenever

a king failed to do what the priests wanted, they

immediately prophesied overthrow, disaster, and de-

feat. Whenever the kings would hearken to their

voice, and would see to it that the priests had plenty

to eat and drink and wear, then they all declared

that Jehovah would love that king, would let him live

out all his days, and allow his son to reign in his

stead. It was simply the old conflict that is still being

waged, and it will be carried on until universal civil-

ization does away with priestcraft and superstition.

The priests in the days of Jeremiah were the same

as now. They sought to rule the State. They pre-

tended that, at their request, Jehovah would withhold

or send the rain; that the seasons were within their

power; that they with bitter words could blight the

fields and curse the land with want and death. They

gloried then, as now, in the exhibition of God's wrath.

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In prosperity, the priests were forgotten. Success

scorned them; Famine flattered them; Health laughed

at them; Pestilence prayed to them; Disaster was

their only friend.

These old prophets prophesied nothing but evil,

and consequently, when anything bad happened, they

claimed it as a fulfillment, and pointed with pride to

the fact that they had, weeks or months, or years

before, foretold something of that kind. They were

really the originators of the phrase, "I told you so!"

There was a good old Methodist class-leader that

lived down near a place called Liverpool, on the

Illinois river. In the spring of 1861 the old man,

telling his experience, among other things said, that he

had lived there by the river for more than thirty

years, and he did not believe that a year had passed

that there were not hundreds of people during the

hunting season shooting ducks on Sunday; that he

had told his wife thousands of times that no good

would come of it; that evil would come of it; "And

"now, said the old man, raising his voice with the

importance of the announcement, "war is upon us!"

_Question_. Do you wish, as Mr. Talmage says, to de-

stroy the Bible--to have all the copies burned to ashes?

What do you wish to have done with the Bible?

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_Answer_. I want the Bible treated exactly as we

treat other books--preserve the good and throw

away the foolish and the hurtful. I am fighting the

doctrine of inspiration. As long as it is believed that

the Bible is inspired, that book is the master--no

mind is free. With that belief, intellectual liberty is

impossible. With that belief, you can investigate

only at the risk of losing your soul. The Catholics

have a pope. Protestants laugh at them, and yet the

pope is capable of intellectual advancement. In

addition to this, the pope is mortal, and the church

cannot be afflicted with the same idiot forever. The

Protestants have a book for their pope. The book

cannot advance. Year after year, and century after

century, the book remains as ignorant as ever. It is

only made better by those who believe in its inspira-

tion giving better meanings to the words than their

ancestors did. In this way it may be said that the

Bible grows a little better.

Why should we have a book for a master? That

which otherwise might be a blessing, remains a curse.

If every copy of the Bible were destroyed, all that is

good in that book would be reproduced in a single

day. Leave every copy of the Bible as it is, and

have every human being believe in its inspiration,

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and intellectual liberty would cease to exist. The

whole race, from that moment, would go back to-

ward the night of intellectual death.

The Bible would do more harm if more people

really believed it, and acted in accordance with its

teachings. Now and then a Freeman puts the knife

to the heart of his child. Now and then an assassin

relies upon some sacred passage; but, as a rule, few

men believe the Bible to be absolutely true.

There are about fifteen hundred million people in

the world. There are not two million who have read

the Bible through. There are not two hundred

million who ever saw the Bible. There are not five

hundred million who ever heard that such a book

exists.

Christianity is claimed to be a religion for all

mankind. It was founded more than eighteen cen-

turies ago; and yet, not one human being in three

has ever heard of it. As a matter of fact, for more

than fourteen centuries and-a-half after the crucifixion

of Christ, this hemisphere was absolutely unknown.

There was not a Christian in the world who knew

there was such a continent as ours, and all the

inhabitants of this, the New World, were deprived

of the gospel for fourteen centuries and-a-half, and

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knew nothing of its blessings until they were in-

formed by Spanish murderers and marauders. Even

in the United States, Christianity is not keeping pace

with the increase of population. When we take

into consideration that it is aided by the momentum

of eighteen centuries, is it not wonderful that it is not

to-day holding its own? The reason of this is, that

we are beginning to understand the Scriptures. We

are beginningto see, and to see clearly, that they are

simply of human origin, and that the Bible bears

the marks of the barbarians who wrote it. The best

educated among the clergy admit that we know but

little as to the origin of the gospels; that we do not

positively know the author of one of them; that it is

really a matter of doubt as to who wrote the five

books attributed to Moses. They admit now, that

Isaiah was written by more than one person; that

Solomon's Song was not written by that king; that

Job is, in all probability, not a Jewish book; that

Ecclesiastes must have been written by a Freethinker,

and by one who had his doubts about the immortality

of the soul. The best biblical students of the so-

called orthodox world now admit that several stories

were united to make the gospel of Saint Luke; that

Hebrews is a selection from many fragments, and

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that no human being, not afflicted with delirium

tremens, can understand the book of Revelation.

I am not the only one engaged in the work of

destruction. Every Protestant who expresses a doubt

as to the genuineness of a passage, is destroying the

Bible. The gentlemen who have endeavored to treat

hell as a question of syntax, and to prove that eternal

punishment depends upon grammar, are helping to

bring the Scriptures into contempt. Hundreds of

years ago, the Catholics told the Protestant world that

it was dangerous to give the Bible to the people.

The Catholics were right; the Protestants were

wrong. To read is to think. To think is to investi-

gate. To investigate is, finally, to deny. That book

should have been read only by priests. Every copy

should have been under the lock and key of bishop,

cardinal and pope. The common people should have

received the Bible from the lips of the ministers.

The world should have been kept in ignorance. In

that way, and in that way only, could the pulpit have

maintained its power. He who teaches a child

the alphabet sows the seeds of heresy. I have lived

to see the schoolhouse in many a village larger than

the church. Every man who finds a fact, is the

enemy of theology. Every man who expresses an

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honest thought is a soldier in the army of intellectual

liberty.

_Question_. Mr. Talmage thinks that you laugh too

much,--that you exhibit too much mirth, and that no

one should smile at sacred things?

_Answer_. The church has always feared ridicule.

The minister despises laughter. He who builds upon

ignorance and awe, fears intelligence and mirth. The

theologians always begin by saying: "Let us be

"solemn." They know that credulity and awe are

twins. They also know that while Reason is the

pilot of the soul, Humor carries the lamp. Whoever

has the sense of humor fully developed, cannot, by

any possibility, be an orthodox theologian. He would

be his own laughing stock. The most absurd stories,

the most laughable miracles, read in a solemn, stately

way, sound to the ears of ignorance and awe like

truth. It has been the object of the church for

eighteen hundred years to prevent laughter.

A smile is the dawn of a doubt.

Ministers are always talking about death, and

coffins, and dust, and worms,--the cross in this life,

and the fires of another. They have been the

enemies of human happiness. They hate to hear

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even the laughter of children. There seems to have

been a bond of sympathy between divinity and

dyspepsia, between theology and indigestion. There

is a certain pious hatred of pleasure, and those who

have been "born again" are expected to despise

"the transitory joys of this fleeting life." In this,

they follow the example of their prophets, of whom

they proudly say: "They never smiled."

Whoever laughs at a holy falsehood, is called a

"scoffer." Whoever gives vent to his natural feel-

ings is regarded as a "blasphemer," and whoever

examines the Bible as he examines other books, and

relies upon his reason to interpret it, is denounced

as a "reprobate."

Let us respect the truth, let us laugh at miracles,

and above all, let us be candid with each other.

'Question. Mr. Talmage charges that you have, in

your lectures, satirized your early home; that you

have described with bitterness the Sundays that were

forced upon you in your youth; and that in various

ways you have denounced your father as a "tyrant,"

or a "bigot," or a "fool"?

_Answer_. I have described the manner in which

Sunday was kept when I was a boy. My father for

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many years regarded the Sabbath as a sacred day.

We kept Sunday as most other Christians did. I think

that my father made a mistake about that day. I

have no doubt he was honest about it, and really

believed that it was pleasing to God for him to keep

the Sabbath as he did.

I think that Sunday should not be a day of gloom,

of silence and despair, or a day in which to hear that

the chances are largely in favor of your being eternally

damned. That day, in my opinion, should be one of

joy; a day to get acquainted with your wife and

children; a day to visit the woods, or the sea, or the

murmuring stream; a day to gather flowers, to visit

the graves of your dead, to read old poems, old

letters, old books; a day to rekindle the fires of

friendship and love.

Mr. Talmage says that my father was a Christian,

and he then proceeds to malign his memory. It

seems to me that a living Christian should at least

tell the truth about one who sleeps the silent sleep

of death.

I have said nothing, in any of my lectures, about

my father, or about my mother, or about any of my

relatives. I have not the egotism to bring them

forward. They have nothing to do with the subject

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in hand. That my father was mistaken upon the

subject of religion, I have no doubt. He was a good,

a brave and honest man. I loved him living, and

I love him dead. I never said to him an unkind

word, and in my heart there never was of him an

unkind thought. He was grand enough to say to

me, that I had the same right to my opinion that he

had to his. He was great enough to tell me to read

the Bible for myself, to be honest with myself, and if

after reading it I concluded it was not the word of

God, that it was my duty to say so.

My mother died when I was but a child; and from

that day--the darkest of my life--her memory has

been within my heart a sacred thing, and I have felt,

through all these years, her kisses on my lips.

I know that my parents--if they are conscious now

--do not wish me to honor them at the expense of

my manhood. I know that neither my father nor my

mother would have me sacrifice upon their graves my

honest thought. I know that I can only please them by

being true to myself, by defending what I believe is

good, by attacking what I believe is bad. Yet this min-

ister of Christ is cruel enough, and malicious enough,

to attack the reputation of the dead. What he says

about my father is utterly and unqualifiedly false.

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Right here, it may be well enough for me to say,

that long before my father died, he threw aside, as

unworthy of a place in the mind of an intelligent

man, the infamous dogma of eternal fire; that he

regarded with abhorrence many passages in the Old

Testament; that he believed man, in another world,

would have the eternal opportunity of doing right,

and that the pity of God would last as long as the

suffering of man. My father and my mother were

good, in spite of the Old Testament. They were mer-

ciful, in spite of the one frightful doctrine in the New.

They did not need the religion of Presbyterianism.

Presbyterianism never made a human being better.

If there is anything that will freeze the generous

current of the soul, it is Calvinism. If there is any

creed that will destroy charity, that will keep the

tears of pity from the cheeks of men and women, it

is Presbyterianism. If there is any doctrine calcu-

lated to make man bigoted, unsympathetic, and

cruel, it is the doctrine of predestination. Neither

my father, nor my mother, believed in the damnation

of babes, nor in the inspiration of John Calvin.

Mr. Talmage professes to be a Christian. What

effect has the religion of Jesus Christ had upon him?

Is he the product--the natural product--of Chris-

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tianity? Does the real Christian violate the sanctity

of death? Does the real Christian malign the

memory of the dead? Does the good Christian

defame unanswering and unresisting dust?

But why should I expect kindness from a Chris-

tian? Can a minister be expected to treat with

fairness a man whom his God intends to damn? If

a good God is going to burn an infidel forever, in

the world to come, surely a Christian should have

the right to persecute him a little here.

What right has a Christian to ask anybody to love

his father, or mother, or wife, or child? According

to the gospels, Christ offered a reward to any one

who would desert his father or his mother. He

offered a premium to gentlemen for leaving their

wives, and tried to bribe people to abandon their

little children. He offered them happiness in this

world, and a hundred fold in the next, if they would

turn a deaf ear to the supplications of a father, the

beseeching cry of a wife, and would leave the out-

stretched arms of babes. They were not even

allowed to bury their fathers and their mothers. At

that time they were expected to prefer Jesus to their

wives and children. And now an orthodox minister

says that a man ought not to express his honest

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thoughts, because they do not happen to be in accord

with the belief of his father or mother.

Suppose Mr. Talmage should read the Bible care-

fully and without fear, and should come to the honest

conclusion that it is not inspired, what course would

he pursue for the purpose of honoring his parents?

Would he say, "I cannot tell the truth, I must lie,

"for the purpose of shedding a halo of glory around

"the memory of my mother"? Would he say: "Of

"course, my father and mother would a thousand

"times rather have their son a hypocritical Christian

"than an honest, manly unbeliever"? This might

please Mr. Talmage, and accord perfectly with his

view, but I prefer to say, that my father wished me to

be an honest man. If he is in "heaven" now, I am

sure that he would rather hear me attack the

"inspired" word of God, honestly and bravely, than

to hear me, in the solemn accents of hypocrisy, defend

what I believe to be untrue.

I may be mistaken in the estimate angels put upon

human beings. It may be that God likes a pretended

follower better than an honest, outspoken man--one

who is an infidel simply because he does not under-

stand this God. But it seems to me, in my unregenerate

condition, touched and tainted as I am by original sin,

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that a God of infinite power and wisdom ought to be

able to make a man brave enough to have an opinion

of his own. I cannot conceive of God taking any

particular pride in any hypocrite he has ever made.

Whatever he may say through his ministers, or

whatever the angels may repeat, a manly devil

stands higher in my estimation than an unmanly

angel. I do not mean by this, that there are any

unmanly angels, neither do I pretend that there

are any manly devils. My meaning is this: If I have

a Creator, I can only honor him by being true to

myself, and kind and just to my fellow-men. If I wish

to shed lustre upon my father and mother, I can

only do so by being absolutely true to myself.

Never will I lay the wreath of hypocrisy upon the

tombs of those I love.

Mr. Talmage takes the ground that we must defend

the religious belief of our parents. He seems to

forget that all parents do not believe exactly alike,

and that everybody has at least two parents. Now,

suppose that the father is an infidel, and the mother

a Christian, what must the son do? Must he "drive

"the ploughshare of contempt through the grave of

"the father," for the purpose of honoring the mother;

or must he drive the ploughshare through the grave

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of the mother to honor the father; or must he com-

promise, and talk one way and believe another? If

Mr. Talmage's doctrine is correct, only persons who

have no knowledge of their parents can have liberty

of opinion. Foundlings would be the only free

people. I do not suppose that Mr. Talmage would

go so far as to say that a child would be bound by

the religion of the person upon whose door-steps he

was found. If he does not, then over every foundling

hospital should be these words: "Home of Intel-

"lectual Liberty."

_Question_. Do you suppose that we will care

nothing in the next world for those we loved in this?

Is it worse in a man than in an angel, to care nothing

for his mother?

_Answer_. According to Mr. Talmage, a man can

be perfectly happy in heaven, with his mother in hell.

He will be so entranced with the society of Christ,

that he will not even inquire what has become of his

wife. The Holy Ghost will keep him in such a state

of happy wonder, of ecstatic joy, that the names,

even, of his children will never invade his memory.

It may be that I am lacking in filial affection, but

I would much rather be in hell, with my parents

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in heaven, than be in heaven with my parents in hell.

I think a thousand times more of my parents than I

do of Christ. They knew me, they worked for me,

they loved me, and I can imagine no heaven, no

state of perfect bliss for me, in which they have no

share. If God hates me, because I love them,

I cannot love him.

I cannot truthfully say that I look forward with any

great degree of joy, to meeting with Haggai and

Habakkuk; with Jeremiah, Nehemiah, Obadiah,

Zechariah or Zephaniah; with Ezekiel, Micah, or

Malachi; or even with Jonah. From what little

I have read of their writings, I have not formed a

very high opinion of the social qualities of these

gentlemen.

I want to meet the persons I have known; and if

there is another life, I want to meet the really and

the truly great--men who have been broad enough to

be tender, and great enough to be kind.

Because I differ with my parents, because I am

convinced that my father was wrong in some of

his religious opinions, Mr. Talmage insists that I dis-

grace my parents. How did the Christian religion

commence? Did not the first disciples advocate

theories that their parents denied? Were they

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not false,--in his sense of the word,--to their

fathers and mothers? How could there have been

any progress in this world, if children had not

gone beyond their parents? Do you consider that

the inventor of a steel plow cast a slur upon his

father who scratched the ground with a wooden

one? I do not consider that an invention by the

son is a slander upon the father; I regard each

invention simply as an improvement; and every

father should be exceedingly proud of an ingenious

son. If Mr. Talmage has a son, it will be impossible

for him to honor his father except by differing with

him.

It is very strange that Mr. Talmage, a believer in

Christ, should object to any man for not loving his

mother and his father, when his Master, according

to the gospel of Saint Luke, says: "If any man

"come to me, and hate not his father, and mother,

"and wife, and children, and brethren, and sis-

"ters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my

"disciple."

According to this, I have to make my choice be-

tween my wife, my children, and Jesus Christ. I have

concluded to stand by my folks--both in this world,

and in "the world to come."

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_Question_. Mr. Talmage asks you whether, in your

judgment, the Bible was a good, or an evil, to your

parents?

_Answer_. I think it was an evil. The worst thing

about my father was his religion. He would have

been far happier, in my judgment, without it. I

think I get more real joy out of life than he did.

He was a man of a very great and tender heart. He

was continually thinking--for many years of his

life--of the thousands and thousands going down to

eternal fire. That doctrine filled his days with

gloom, and his eyes with tears. I think that my

father and mother would have been far happier had

they believed as I do. How any one can get any

joy out of the Christian religion is past my compre-

hension. If that religion is true, hundreds of mil-

lions are now in hell, and thousands of millions yet

unborn will be. How such a fact can form any part

of the "glad tidings of great joy," is amazing to me.

It is impossible for me to love a being who would

create countless millions for eternal pain. It is

impossible for me to worship the God of the Bible,

or the God of Calvin, or the God of the Westminster

Catechism.

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_Question_. I see that Mr. Talmage challenges you

to read the fourteenth chapter of Saint John. Are

you willing to accept the challenge; or have you

ever read that chapter?

_Answer_. I do not claim to be very courageous,

but I have read that chapter, and am very glad that

Mr. Talmage has called attention to it. According

to the gospels, Christ did many miracles. He healed

the sick, gave sight to the blind, made the lame

walk, and raised the dead. In the fourteenth chapter

of Saint John, twelfth verse, I find the following:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you: He that believeth

"on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and

"greater works than these shall he do, because I go

"unto my Father."

I am willing to accept that as a true test of a

believer. If Mr. Talmage really believes in Jesus

Christ, he ought to be able to do at least as great

miracles as Christ is said to have done. Will Mr.

Talmage have the kindness to read the fourteenth

chapter of John, and then give me some proof, in

accordance with that chapter, that he is a believer in

Jesus Christ? Will he have the kindness to perform

a miracle?--for instance, produce a "local flood,"

make a worm to smite a gourd, or "prepare a fish"?

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Can he do anything of that nature? Can he even

cause a "vehement east wind"? What evidence,

according to the Bible, can Mr. Talmage give of his

belief? How does he prove that he is a Christian?

By hating infidels and maligning Christians? Let

Mr. Talmage furnish the evidence, according to the

fourteenth chapter of Saint John, or forever after

hold his peace.

He has my thanks for calling my attention to the

fourteenth chapter of Saint John.

_Question_. Mr. Talmage charges that you are at-

tempting to destroy the "chief solace of the world,"

without offering any substitute. How do you answer

this?

_Answer_. If he calls Christianity the "chief solace

"of the world," and if by Christianity he means that all

who do not believe in the inspiration of the Scrip-

tures, and have no faith in Jesus Christ, are to be

eternally damned, then I admit that I am doing the

best I can to take that "solace" from the human

heart. I do not believe that the Bible, when prop-

erly understood, is, or ever has been, a comfort to

any human being. Surely, no good man can be

comforted by reading a book in which he finds that

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a large majority of mankind have been sentenced to

eternal fire. In the doctrine of total depravity there

is no "solace." In the doctrine of "election" there can

be no joy until the returns are in, and a majority

found for you.

_Question_. Mr. Talmage says that you are taking

away the world's medicines, and in place of anaes-

thetics, in place of laudanum drops, you read an

essay to the man in pain, on the absurdities of mor-

phine and nervines in general.

_Answer_. It is exactly the other way. I say, let

us depend upon morphine, not upon prayer. Do

not send for the minister--take a little laudanum.

Do not read your Bible,--chloroform is better. Do

not waste your time listening to meaningless ser-

mons, but take real, genuine soporifics.

I regard the discoverer of ether as a benefactor.

I look upon every great surgeon as a blessing to

mankind. I regard one doctor, skilled in his profes-

sion, of more importance to the world than all the

orthodox ministers.

Mr. Talmage should remember that for hundreds

of years, the church fought, with all its power, the

science of medicine. Priests used to cure diseases

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by selling little pieces of paper covered with cabalistic

marks. They filled their treasuries by the sale of

holy water. They healed the sick by relics--the teeth

and ribs of saints, the finger-nails of departed wor-

thies, and the hair of glorified virgins. Infidelity

said: "Send for the doctor." Theology said: "Stick

"to the priest." Infidelity,--that is to say, science,--

said: "Vaccinate him." The priest said: "Pray;--

"I will sell you a charm." The doctor was regarded

as a man who was endeavoring to take from God his

means of punishment. He was supposed to spike

the artillery of Jehovah, to wet the powder of the

Almighty, and to steal the flint from the musket of

heavenly retribution.

Infidelity has never relied upon essays, it has

never relied upon words, it has never relied upon

prayers, it has never relied upon angels or gods; it

has relied upon the honest efforts of men and women.

It has relied upon investigation, observation, experi-

ence, and above all, upon human reason.

We, in America, know how much prayers are

worth. We have lately seen millions of people upon

their knees. What was the result?

In the olden times, when a plague made its ap-

pearance, the people fell upon their knees and died.

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When pestilence came, they rushed to their ca-

thedrals, they implored their priests--and died. God

had no pity upon his ignorant children. At last,

Science came to the rescue. Science,--not in the

attitude of prayer, with closed eyes, but in the atti-

tude of investigation, with open eyes,--looked for and

discovered some of the laws of health. Science

found that cleanliness was far better than godliness. It

said: Do not spend your time in praying;--clean your

houses, clean your streets, clean yourselves. This pest-

ilence is not a punishment. Health is not simply a favor

of the gods. Health depends upon conditions, and

when the conditions are violated, disease is inevitable,

and no God can save you. Health depends upon

your surroundings, and when these are favorable,

the roses are in your cheeks.

We find in the Old Testament that God gave

to Moses a thousand directions for ascertaining

the presence of leprosy. Yet it never occurred

to this God to tell Moses how to cure the disease.

Within the lids of the Old Testament, we have no

information upon a subject of such vital importance

to mankind.

It may, however, be claimed by Mr. Talmage, that

this statement is a little too broad, and I will therefore

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give one recipe that I find in the fourteenth chapter

of Leviticus:

"Then shall the priest command to take for him

" that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and

"cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop; and the priest

"shall command that one of the birds be killed in an

"earthen vessel over running water. As for the

"living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood,

"and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them

"and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was

"killed over the running water. And he shall

"sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the

"leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean,

"and shall let the living bird loose into the open

"field."

Prophets were predicting evil--filling the country

with their wails and cries, and yet it never occurred

to them to tell one solitary thing of the slightest

importance to mankind. Why did not these inspired

men tell us how to cure some of the diseases that

have decimated the world? Instead of spending

forty days and forty nights with Moses, telling him

how to build a large tent, and how to cut the gar-

ments of priests, why did God not give him a little

useful information in respect to the laws of health?

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Mr. Talmage must remember that the church has

invented no anodynes, no anaesthetics, no medicines,

and has affected no cures. The doctors have not

been inspired. All these useful things men have

discovered for themselves, aided by no prophet and

by no divine Savior. Just to the extent that man

has depended upon the other world, he has failed to

make the best of this. Just in the proportion that he

has depended on his own efforts, he has advanced.

The church has always said:

"Consider the lilies of the field; they toil not,

"neither do they spin." "Take no thought for the

"morrow." Whereas, the real common sense of this

world has said: "No matter whether lilies toil and

spin, or not, if you would succeed, you must work;

you must take thought for the morrow, you must

look beyond the present day, you must provide for

your wife and your children."

What can I be expected to give as a substitute for

perdition? It is enough to show that it does not

exist. What does a man want in place of a disease?

Health. And what is better calculated to increase

the happiness of mankind than to know that the

doctrine of eternal pain is infinitely and absurdly

false?

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Take theology from the world, and natural Love

remains, Science is still here, Music will not be lost,

the page of History will still be open, the walls of

the world will still be adorned with Art, and the

niches rich with Sculpture.

Take theology from the world, and we all shall

have a common hope,--and the fear of hell will be

removed from every human heart.

Take theology from the world, and millions of

men will be compelled to earn an honest living.

Impudence will not tax credulity. The vampire of

hypocrisy will not suck the blood of honest toil.

Take theology from the world, and the churches

can be schools, and the cathedrals universities.

Take theology from the world, and the money

wasted on superstition will do away with want.

Take theology from the world, and every brain

will find itself without a chain.

There is a vast difference between what is called

infidelity and theology.

Infidelity is honest. When it reaches the confines

of reason, it says: "I know no further."

Infidelity does not palm its guess upon an ignorant

world as a demonstration.

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Infidelity proves nothing by slander--establishes

nothing by abuse.

Infidelity has nothing to hide. It has no "holy

"of holies," except the abode of truth. It has no

curtain that the hand of investigation has not the

right to draw aside. It lives in the cloudless light,

in the very noon, of human eyes.

Infidelity has no bible to be blasphemed. It does

not cringe before an angry God.

Infidelity says to every man: Investigate for

yourself. There is no punishment for unbelief.

Infidelity asks no protection from legislatures. It

wants no man fined because he contradicts its doc-

trines.

Infidelity relies simply upon evidence--not evi-

dence of the dead, but of the living.

Infidelity has no infallible pope. It relies only

upon infallible fact. It has no priest except the

interpreter of Nature. The universe is its church.

Its bible is everything that is true. It implores every

man to verify every word for himself, and it implores

him to say, if he does not believe it, that he does

not.

Infidelity does not fear contradiction. It is not

afraid of being laughed at. It invites the scrutiny

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of all doubters, of all unbelievers. It does not rely

upon awe, but upon reason. It says to the whole

world: It is dangerous not to think. It is dan-

gerous not to be honest. It is dangerous not to

investigate. It is dangerous not to follow where

your reason leads.

Infidelity requires every man to judge for himself.

Infidelity preserves the manhood of man.

_Question_. Mr. Talmage also says that you are

trying to put out the light-houses on the coast of the

next world; that you are "about to leave everybody

"in darkness at the narrows of death"?

_Answer_. There can be no necessity for these

light-houses, unless the God of Mr. Talmage has

planted rocks and reefs within that unknown sea.

If there is no hell, there is no need of any light-

house on the shores of the next world; and only

those are interested in keeping up these pretended

light-houses who are paid for trimming invisible

wicks and supplying the lamps with allegorical oil.

Mr. Talmage is one of these light-house keepers,

and he knows that if it is ascertained that the coast

is not dangerous, the light-house will be abandoned,

and the keeper will have to find employment else-

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where. As a matter of fact, every church is a use-

less light-house. It warns us only against breakers

that do not exist. Whenever a mariner tells one of

the keepers that there is no danger, then all the

keepers combine to destroy the reputation of that

mariner.

No one has returned from the other world to tell

us whether they have light-houses on that shore or

not; or whether the light-houses on this shore--one

of which Mr. Talmage is tending--have ever sent a

cheering ray across the sea.

Nature has furnished every human being with

a light more or less brilliant, more or less powerful.

That light is Reason; and he who blows that light

out, is in utter darkness. It has been the business of

the church for centuries to extinguish the lamp of the

mind, and to convince the people that their own

reason is utterly unreliable. The church has asked

all men to rely only upon the light of the church.

Every priest has been not only a light-house but

a guide-board. He has threatened eternal damna-

tion to all who travel on some other road. These

guide-boards have been toll-gates, and the principal

reason why the churches have wanted people to go

their road is, that tolls might be collected. They

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have regarded unbelievers as the owners of turnpikes

do people who go 'cross lots. The toll-gate man

always tells you that other roads are dangerous--

filled with quagmires and quicksands.

Every church is a kind of insurance society, and

proposes, for a small premium, to keep you from

eternal fire. Of course, the man who tells you that

there is to be no fire, interferes with the business,

and is denounced as a malicious meddler and blas-

phemer. The fires of this world sustain the same

relation to insurance companies that the fires of the

next do to the churches.

Mr. Talmage also insists that I am breaking up the

"life-boats." Why should a ship built by infinite

wisdom, by an infinite shipbuilder, carry life-boats?

The reason we have life-boats now is, that we are

not entirely sure of the ship. We know that man

has not yet found out how to make a ship that can

certainly brave all the dangers of the deep. For this

reason we carry life-boats. But infinite wisdom must

surely build ships that do not need life-boats. Is there

to be a wreck at last? Is God's ship to go down in

storm and darkness? Will it be necessary at last to

forsake his ship and depend upon life-boats?

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