Mr. LIEBELER. Will you look at that picture and see if you can tell
from it where you were standing and if that helped you to place the
spot where the bullet hit?
Mrs. BAKER. It would be back in here behind this car.
Mr. LIEBELER. That would have been where you were standing or where the
bullet hit?
Mrs. BAKER. I really can't tell for the tree there and everything--but
it was right in here.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now, as we look at this picture this is Baker Exhibit No.
1, starting from the left front, there are--there is a car down there
and there is a Volkswagen panel truck in the picture and then there
are two cars immediately behind the Volkswagen and then there is a
convertible out--approximately in the middle of the street, isn't that
right?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you think you might have been standing somewhere
behind the spot where that convertible is located in this picture; is
that right?
Mrs. BAKER. Either there or right in here.
Mr. LIEBELER. Right in back around the second car behind the Volkswagen?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now, this picture actually shows the little grassy area
and the trees that lie between Elm Street and the little street that
runs in front of the Texas School Book Depository, doesn't it?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Can you give me an estimate, looking at this picture,
where that thing might have hit the street?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. It may not be in this picture--I don't know that it is.
Mrs. BAKER. I just can't tell--I would say it was over in here
somewhere in this picture.
Mr. LIEBELER. Somewhere in about here?
Mrs. BAKER. It could have been further on up.
Mr. LIEBELER. Well, we will mark the place "X", but you think it might
have been right along here or somewhere farther down. Now, is there a
concrete divider somewhere here on Elm Street?
Mrs. BAKER. Not until you pass the underpass.
Mr. LIEBELER. Not until you get down here towards the underpass and
then there are concrete dividers here between Elm Street and Main
Street?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Back up here toward the intersection at Houston Street,
there is a curb on the side of Elm Street and that's all?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. In other words, you turn down from Houston Street and go
right on down Elm Street?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. You saw this thing hit the street before you heard the
second shot; is that correct?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes, sir; yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Are you absolutely sure of that?
Mrs. BAKER. I hope I am--I know I am.
Mr. LIEBELER. In marking the "X" on Baker Exhibit No. 1 that we marked,
we were assuming, were we not, that the "X" was fairly near the first
sign on the right-hand side of Elm Street going toward the triple
underpass after the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mrs. BAKER. I think that's right.
Mr. LIEBELER. I think that we will find that the "X" is--well, it is
very difficult to tell the exact spot from which Baker Exhibit No. 1
was taken, but if in fact we are correct, if in fact it is taken from
the side of Main Street toward Commerce Street, then the "X" would not
be in the right place, would it, if this lampost here that appears in
the picture is actually at the end of the grassy spot made by Main
Street and Elm Street, then the "X" that we have on Baker Exhibit No.
1 would be too far down toward the Triple Underpass to be in the right
place where you saw it hit, isn't that right; do you follow me?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Because, if this is actually the end of this grassy spot,
if the lamppost is actually the end of the grassy spot here between Elm
Street and Main Street, this "X" is very close to the Triple Underpass.
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you didn't see the bullet hit that far down the
street, did you?
Mrs. BAKER. No; not that far.
Mr. LIEBELER. It would have been much closer, up towards the Texas
School Book Depository Building--near the first sign?
Mrs. BAKER. This right here are the steps--to the plaza.
Mr. LIEBELER. That's right, and as a point of fact, as we look at that
now, it becomes quite clear that it was taken from a spot much closer
to the triple underpass than we had originally thought, because in the
left-hand side of the picture you can see the steps coming down from
the plaza.
Mrs. BAKER. It must have been right here in this area because these
were the steps--I can't tell which sign is which, but I know there were
four girls standing near the sign and it must have been back up here
because there must have been another sign closer up.
Mr. LIEBELER. Looking at Hudson Exhibit No. 1, which was taken at the
time of the assassination, it shows Dealey Plaza here and there are
some steps that go down over here in the very background of the picture
and they go down onto the sidewalk and it runs along past Elm Street
here.
Mrs. BAKER. This would be the first sign here.
Mr. LIEBELER. The Stemmons Freeway sign.
Mrs. BAKER. This one over here--the steps are already here.
Mr. LIEBELER. Yes; the steps are toward the background in Hudson
Exhibit No. 1 and those appear to be the steps that are also toward the
front left of Baker Exhibit No. 1.
Mrs. BAKER. It was probably back over this way.
Mr. LIEBELER. Yes, so the "X" on Baker Exhibit No. 1 is actually in the
wrong place as far as these pictures here--it is not correct--it should
be further back on up here.
Mrs. BAKER. Yes; definitely.
Mr. LIEBELER. So, we will put a "Y" back up here toward the School Book
Depository Building, and actually if you look at Commission Exhibit No.
354, you can see the steps coming right down to Elm Street.
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. At the end of Dealey Plaza toward the Triple Underpass,
and I think that those steps are the same steps we can see in the left
front foreground of Baker Exhibit No. 1.
Mrs. BAKER. That's the sign right in there--that big sign there, and I
don't know--the sign would be here, you know.
Mr. LIEBELER. That's right, and the sign that we see in the very left
front foreground of the picture would be the sign here that is toward
the Triple Underpass from the steps to go down to Dealey Plaza on the
right-hand side of Elm Street?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes; this is confusing.
Mr. LIEBELER. In any event, you are quite clear in your mind that you
saw this thing hit before you heard the second shot?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. So, if what you saw hitting the street was, in fact, a
bullet, it would have been the first shot?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see anything else around the area of the Texas
School Book Depository Building that day that you think might have
anything to do with the assassination?
Mrs. BAKER. I don't know, but before the parade ever got there, someone
passed out and I guess it would be to the left, coming down Elm Street
over in this plaza between Elm Street and Main, because an ambulance
pulled up and picked someone up--we never could tell who. This was
before the motorcade ever got to Houston Street--I would say onto Elm
Street.
Mr. LIEBELER. About how long before the motorcade came did this
ambulance come and pick up this person?
Mrs. BAKER. I'll judge--5 minutes--about 5 minutes.
Mr. LIEBELER. The ambulance had already left the area about 5 minutes
before the Presidential motorcade came?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. What time did you come to work that morning; do you
remember?
Mrs. BAKER. Well, it could have been 6:30 or 7, because I rode with
daddy; my daddy works behind the Depository for the Katy Railroad and
if he had to be there at 6, then I got there at 6, but that morning, I
couldn't tell you, but whatever time daddy had to be at work, that's
when I had to be there.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see Oswald on the morning of November 22 at any
time?
Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know Billy Lovelady?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. I show you Commission Exhibit No. 203, and I call your
attention to a man standing in the doorway of the Texas School Book
Depository Building?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recognize him?
Mrs. BAKER. That looks like Billy.
Mr. LIEBELER. That looks like Billy Lovelady?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And that man you pointed to is immediately as we face the
picture to the right of the mark "A" in the picture?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And is standing directly against the side of the doorway
of the building--of the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Thank you. If you don't have anything else you would like
to tell us about this that you think we should know and that I haven't
asked you, I have no other questions at this point.
Mrs. BAKER. Thank you.