Mrs. BAKER. [Complied with request of Mr. Liebeler.]

Mr. LIEBELER. Will you look at that picture and see if you can tell

from it where you were standing and if that helped you to place the

spot where the bullet hit?

Mrs. BAKER. It would be back in here behind this car.

Mr. LIEBELER. That would have been where you were standing or where the

bullet hit?

Mrs. BAKER. I really can't tell for the tree there and everything--but

it was right in here.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, as we look at this picture this is Baker Exhibit No.

1, starting from the left front, there are--there is a car down there

and there is a Volkswagen panel truck in the picture and then there

are two cars immediately behind the Volkswagen and then there is a

convertible out--approximately in the middle of the street, isn't that

right?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. And you think you might have been standing somewhere

behind the spot where that convertible is located in this picture; is

that right?

Mrs. BAKER. Either there or right in here.

Mr. LIEBELER. Right in back around the second car behind the Volkswagen?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, this picture actually shows the little grassy area

and the trees that lie between Elm Street and the little street that

runs in front of the Texas School Book Depository, doesn't it?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Can you give me an estimate, looking at this picture,

where that thing might have hit the street?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. It may not be in this picture--I don't know that it is.

Mrs. BAKER. I just can't tell--I would say it was over in here

somewhere in this picture.

Mr. LIEBELER. Somewhere in about here?

Mrs. BAKER. It could have been further on up.

Mr. LIEBELER. Well, we will mark the place "X", but you think it might

have been right along here or somewhere farther down. Now, is there a

concrete divider somewhere here on Elm Street?

Mrs. BAKER. Not until you pass the underpass.

Mr. LIEBELER. Not until you get down here towards the underpass and

then there are concrete dividers here between Elm Street and Main

Street?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Back up here toward the intersection at Houston Street,

there is a curb on the side of Elm Street and that's all?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. In other words, you turn down from Houston Street and go

right on down Elm Street?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. You saw this thing hit the street before you heard the

second shot; is that correct?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes, sir; yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Are you absolutely sure of that?

Mrs. BAKER. I hope I am--I know I am.

Mr. LIEBELER. In marking the "X" on Baker Exhibit No. 1 that we marked,

we were assuming, were we not, that the "X" was fairly near the first

sign on the right-hand side of Elm Street going toward the triple

underpass after the Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mrs. BAKER. I think that's right.

Mr. LIEBELER. I think that we will find that the "X" is--well, it is

very difficult to tell the exact spot from which Baker Exhibit No. 1

was taken, but if in fact we are correct, if in fact it is taken from

the side of Main Street toward Commerce Street, then the "X" would not

be in the right place, would it, if this lampost here that appears in

the picture is actually at the end of the grassy spot made by Main

Street and Elm Street, then the "X" that we have on Baker Exhibit No.

1 would be too far down toward the Triple Underpass to be in the right

place where you saw it hit, isn't that right; do you follow me?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Because, if this is actually the end of this grassy spot,

if the lamppost is actually the end of the grassy spot here between Elm

Street and Main Street, this "X" is very close to the Triple Underpass.

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. And you didn't see the bullet hit that far down the

street, did you?

Mrs. BAKER. No; not that far.

Mr. LIEBELER. It would have been much closer, up towards the Texas

School Book Depository Building--near the first sign?

Mrs. BAKER. This right here are the steps--to the plaza.

Mr. LIEBELER. That's right, and as a point of fact, as we look at that

now, it becomes quite clear that it was taken from a spot much closer

to the triple underpass than we had originally thought, because in the

left-hand side of the picture you can see the steps coming down from

the plaza.

Mrs. BAKER. It must have been right here in this area because these

were the steps--I can't tell which sign is which, but I know there were

four girls standing near the sign and it must have been back up here

because there must have been another sign closer up.

Mr. LIEBELER. Looking at Hudson Exhibit No. 1, which was taken at the

time of the assassination, it shows Dealey Plaza here and there are

some steps that go down over here in the very background of the picture

and they go down onto the sidewalk and it runs along past Elm Street

here.

Mrs. BAKER. This would be the first sign here.

Mr. LIEBELER. The Stemmons Freeway sign.

Mrs. BAKER. This one over here--the steps are already here.

Mr. LIEBELER. Yes; the steps are toward the background in Hudson

Exhibit No. 1 and those appear to be the steps that are also toward the

front left of Baker Exhibit No. 1.

Mrs. BAKER. It was probably back over this way.

Mr. LIEBELER. Yes, so the "X" on Baker Exhibit No. 1 is actually in the

wrong place as far as these pictures here--it is not correct--it should

be further back on up here.

Mrs. BAKER. Yes; definitely.

Mr. LIEBELER. So, we will put a "Y" back up here toward the School Book

Depository Building, and actually if you look at Commission Exhibit No.

354, you can see the steps coming right down to Elm Street.

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. At the end of Dealey Plaza toward the Triple Underpass,

and I think that those steps are the same steps we can see in the left

front foreground of Baker Exhibit No. 1.

Mrs. BAKER. That's the sign right in there--that big sign there, and I

don't know--the sign would be here, you know.

Mr. LIEBELER. That's right, and the sign that we see in the very left

front foreground of the picture would be the sign here that is toward

the Triple Underpass from the steps to go down to Dealey Plaza on the

right-hand side of Elm Street?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes; this is confusing.

Mr. LIEBELER. In any event, you are quite clear in your mind that you

saw this thing hit before you heard the second shot?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. So, if what you saw hitting the street was, in fact, a

bullet, it would have been the first shot?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see anything else around the area of the Texas

School Book Depository Building that day that you think might have

anything to do with the assassination?

Mrs. BAKER. I don't know, but before the parade ever got there, someone

passed out and I guess it would be to the left, coming down Elm Street

over in this plaza between Elm Street and Main, because an ambulance

pulled up and picked someone up--we never could tell who. This was

before the motorcade ever got to Houston Street--I would say onto Elm

Street.

Mr. LIEBELER. About how long before the motorcade came did this

ambulance come and pick up this person?

Mrs. BAKER. I'll judge--5 minutes--about 5 minutes.

Mr. LIEBELER. The ambulance had already left the area about 5 minutes

before the Presidential motorcade came?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. What time did you come to work that morning; do you

remember?

Mrs. BAKER. Well, it could have been 6:30 or 7, because I rode with

daddy; my daddy works behind the Depository for the Katy Railroad and

if he had to be there at 6, then I got there at 6, but that morning, I

couldn't tell you, but whatever time daddy had to be at work, that's

when I had to be there.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see Oswald on the morning of November 22 at any

time?

Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know Billy Lovelady?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. I show you Commission Exhibit No. 203, and I call your

attention to a man standing in the doorway of the Texas School Book

Depository Building?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recognize him?

Mrs. BAKER. That looks like Billy.

Mr. LIEBELER. That looks like Billy Lovelady?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. And that man you pointed to is immediately as we face the

picture to the right of the mark "A" in the picture?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. And is standing directly against the side of the doorway

of the building--of the Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mrs. BAKER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Thank you. If you don't have anything else you would like

to tell us about this that you think we should know and that I haven't

asked you, I have no other questions at this point.

Mrs. BAKER. Thank you.

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