Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; his initials are so indicated as "M. W."

Mr. BELIN. Would that be the name at the lower left-hand corner of

Exhibit 1?

Mr. WALDMAN. It is.

Mr. BELIN. And that is who?

Mr. WALDMAN. Mitchell W. Westra.

Mr. BELIN. At that time was he an employee of your company?

Mr. WALDMAN. He was.

Mr. BELIN. Was he under your jurisdiction and supervision?

Mr. WALDMAN. He was not under my direct supervision, no. He was under

the direct supervision of Sam Kasper.

Mr. BELIN. And where is Sam Kasper now?

Mr. WALDMAN. He may or may not be here.

Mr. BELIN. I don't mean this afternoon. Is he with the company?

Mr. WALDMAN. He is the vice president of our company.

Mr. BELIN. He is the other vice president of the company?

Mr. WALDMAN. Correct.

Mr. BELIN. All right. Now, you started to go into the detail of what

Deposition Exhibit 1 constituted. I just wonder if you will pick up

where you left off here.

Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; on the same form we show a record of the receipt of

the rifles in question, specifically this extreme right-hand column

which is filled in, indicating that on February 22, delivery was made

to us by Lifschultz Trucking Co. I might explain the difference in the

two dates here.

Mr. BELIN. Go ahead.

Mr. WALDMAN. The February 21 date is the date in which the merchandise

came to our premises whereas the date of February 22, is the date in

which they were officially received by our receiving department.

Mr. BELIN. Your receiving department checks each order to see that the

physical contents match the stated shipment on the invoice; is that

correct?

Mr. WALDMAN. They don't necessarily see that they match because they

frequently do not match, but they determine actually how much was

received by us.

Mr. BELIN. Now, I notice on Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 1 a

date--well, I might read everything under the column of description; it

says Italian Mannlicher-Carcano, Model 91TS, bolt action 6-shot rifle;

and then cal.--that's for caliber--6.5, and then there is an "X" and 52

mm Italian-select, clean, and test-fired, changed to Beretta Terni M19,

then a slash line 38 EFF, and then the date of 4/16/62. Explain that

date and that description.

Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; this general style of rifle was made by a number of

different manufacturers over a period of time and there were minor

modifications made by--developed by each of the manufacturers.

Mr. BELIN. Would this be similar to a number of manufacturers making

the Springfield rifle in this country?

Mr. WALDMAN. As for example, the different manufacturers making the

Springfield rifle. Basically, the weapons were of the same general

design, but as I say, there were details that were different.

We originally had ordered one style of Carcano rifle, one that was

known as the Model 91TS. As time went on, we changed to another model

known as the Model 91/38EFF, this on April 13, 1962.

Mr. BELIN. Now, I also note on Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 1, under

the item number--some letters here or numbers----

Mr. WALDMAN. C20-T749.

Mr. BELIN. What does that signify?

Mr. WALDMAN. This is an identification number assigned by us for

internal operating purposes.

Mr. BELIN. Would this be something akin to a catalog number?

Mr. WALDMAN. Yes.

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