Mr. STERN. Now, was his appearance and demeanor at this interview----

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No different than it was during the previous interviews.

Mr. STERN. Did he have any comment at this interview about counsel?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. None other than at the outset of being first asked if

that was his photograph, he first made the statement that he wouldn't

make any comment about it without the advice of counsel, but then

subsequently is when he went into the story about his face had been

superimposed over somebody else's body.

Mr. STERN. Did he complain in the course of this interview about the

way in which the lineup had been conducted?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. This is the interview in which he--a previously mentioned

comment here was made to the effect that he had not been granted a

request to put on a jacket similar to those worn by some of the other

individuals in some previous lineups.

Mr. STERN. In each of these interviews was he generally taken through

the same questions or similar questions, or were the interviews

addressed to different areas?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. More or less, they had been to a specific area. For

instance, in this last interview we are talking about, that was more or

less confined to this photograph.

Mr. STERN. Yes. Did he ever complain that, "We have been over that

ground before," or make any such statement?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No; I don't recall anything along that line, but I can

recall one subject matter probably in the first interview where he

talked about his method of transportation after leaving the Texas Book

Depository, having gotten on a bus, and then that subject was taken up

again, as I recall, in the second interview, expressed the same answer

at that time, and then subsequently to that interview he backed up and

said that it wasn't actually true as to how he got home. That he had

taken a bus, and due to the traffic jam he had left the bus and got a

taxicab, by which means he actually arrived at his residence.

Mr. STERN. Had he been confronted by the driver of the taxicab, or been

told that they had located the driver of the taxicab before he changed

his story, or did he volunteer the story of the taxi?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I don't recall specifically whether he was confronted

with that or not.

Mr. STERN. All right. Do you recall whether in the course of any of the

interrogations any official, anyone present suggested in any way to

Oswald that things would be better for him if he told the truth, if he

confessed? Was he ever offered any inducement--any suggestion made that

he would be better off if he told the full story?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I can't recall anything along that line. I don't recall

any type of inducement whatsoever.

Mr. STERN. In each interview in which you participated, did you warn

him about the possible use of his statement against him?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I personally did not at each interview, but I can say

that at each interview he was warned. He was warned numerous times by

Captain Fritz and his rights were fully explained to him.

Mr. STERN. What sort of warning would Captain Fritz give him, generally?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. He gave a warning consisting of the fact that he did not

have to make any statement, that any statement he made could be used

against him in court, and he had the right to consult with an attorney,

generally, that was the rights that were explained to him, as I recall.

Mr. STERN. This was said at each session at which you were present?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. This was given at once each time, and the question would

come up later on, I mean, he would repeat himself, that, you don't have

to make any statement--and so forth.

Mr. STERN. Did you observe anytime any physical or mental coercion of

Oswald by anyone?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. None whatsoever.

Mr. STERN. Off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. STERN. Now, back on the record. This interview on late Saturday

afternoon, was about 6 or 6:30, is that correct?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. This one started about 6:30 p.m. And I would say it

lasted about an hour.

Mr. STERN. I see. So, that is 7:30?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Yes.

Mr. STERN. Was there any further interview that day that you

participated in?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. None that I recall.

Mr. STERN. Did you see Oswald again anytime after that interview

concluded?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Now, yes; on the morning of November 24, 1963, I observed

him in interview with Captain Fritz and numerous other officers in the

homicide and robbery bureau. Captain Fritz--I did not participate in

this interview. It had already started before I arrived.

Mr. STERN. Did you notice anything unusual about his appearance?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No.

Mr. STERN. Did you see Oswald again?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I stayed there in the office of the homicide and robbery

bureau. When I refer to "office" I mean the overall office, and inside

of that office is a private office of Captain Fritz. The interview was

being conducted in the private office. There is a glass partition or

glass--well, say glass partition on one side of the office that you

can see what is going on inside there. I took a seat adjacent to this

glass area in the office proper of the homicide and robbery bureau, and

watched Oswald during the interview that was going on. About--well,

I don't know what time specifically, it was after 11 o'clock, as I

recall, the interview terminated. I asked Captain Fritz if he had--if

Oswald made any admissions, and he stated that he had not made any.

Shortly thereafter he was taken out of the homicide and robbery bureau.

I remained in the homicide office.

Mr. STERN. Did you see him again?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Next time I saw him was after a report came out over the

intercom system for any homicide and robbery officers to report to the

city hall basement. I proceeded to the basement after learning from

Lieutenant Baker in the homicide and robbery bureau, who had made a

telephone call to the dispatcher to inquire what was going on, that

Oswald had been shot.

When I arrived in the basement I asked where was Oswald, and they said

that he was in the jail office. I asked who had shot him, and I was

told an individual by the name of Jack Ruby. I asked where he was. They

said, they have already taken him up to the jail.

Mr. STERN. Fine.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Just shortly thereafter the ambulance came, and I

observed them roll Oswald out of the jail office on the stretcher and

that is the last----

Mr. STERN. I would like to clear up one point, Mr. Bookhout, about the

number of interviews on Saturday. Your present recollection is that

there were how many in which you participated?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Two on Saturday.

Mr. STERN. One at about what time and the other at what time?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. One was about 10:35 a.m., and the second one was about

6:30 p.m.

Mr. STERN. You do not now recall any separate interview at about 12:30

on Saturday?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I don't specifically recall any separate interview at

that time. I checked the record before coming over and the interviews

that I have mentioned are the only ones I have in the report.

Mr. STERN. Would you describe briefly the conditions in the corridor

outside the homicide and robbery area.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. On November 22 and 23, the hallway in front of the

homicide and robbery bureau located on the third floor of the city hall

building was jammed with news media. From the elevator area to the

end of the hallway, extending on past the homicide and robbery bureau

entrance.

Mr. STERN. Could you hear anything from the hallway when you were in

the interrogation room?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No; there were two Dallas Police officers on duty at

the entrance to the homicide and robbery bureau, who required you to

identify yourself being that--before being allowed entrance into the

bureau. The interviews of Oswald were conducted in the private offices

of Capt. J. W. Fritz, located within the same bureau, and the door to

the private office was closed, and we did not hear any commotion going

on outside in the halls while the interviews were in progress.

Mr. STERN. Did Oswald ever say anything that you heard about the press

and conditions in the hallway?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. The only thing I recall offhand is the incident mentioned

previously about the press undoubtedly taking his photograph when he

was going and coming from the homicide and robbery bureau.

Mr. STERN. I think that covers all the questions I have, Mr. Bookhout.

Thank you very much for coming here.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. You are welcome.

Mr. STERN. If there is anything that occurs to you that I haven't asked

about and you think the Commission should know, I would be delighted to

have you tell me.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I can't think of anything that I could add to what you

have already heard.

Mr. STERN. Now, our reporter will transcribe your testimony and can

make a copy available for you to read and sign. If you think it is

accurate, you can waive that if you desire, and she will then send

it directly to the Commission. It makes no difference at all to the

Commission which you elect.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I think that as far as I am concerned, it would be all

right.

Mr. STERN. Fine. Then you will waive?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. My idea--the purpose--only purpose I would have would be

just to help you if there are any typographical errors in there.

Mr. STERN. Fine. And thank you for coming in today.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. All right.

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