TESTIMONY OF JAMES W. BOOKHOUT

The testimony of James W. Bookhout was taken at 11:15 a.m., on April

8, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building,

Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Samuel A. Stern,

assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. STERN. Will you please rise.

Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give shall be the

truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I do.

Mr. STERN. Sit down, please.

Mr. STERN. State your name, please.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. James W. Bookhout. Do you want my home address?

Mr. STERN. Yes.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. 7048 Cornelia Lane, Dallas, Tex.

Mr. STERN. What is your occupation, Mr. Bookhout?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Special agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Mr. STERN. How long have you been with the Federal Bureau of

Investigation?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Little over 22 years.

Mr. STERN. How long have you been assigned to the Dallas office?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Since about 1945.

Mr. STERN. Were you on duty on November 22?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Actually, I was on leave on that particular date.

However, I had been requested to come to the office to handle some

expedited dictation in a particular case. Having completed that, I

left the office and proceeded to the Mercantile National Bank, where

I transacted some personal business. Upon leaving the bank, it was

momentarily expected that the President's motorcade would pass that

area. I stood there for a few minutes, and as the motorcade passed I

was actually unable to personally observe the President, due to the

crowd on the sidewalk. While waiting for the crowd to thin, in order

to cross the street, several separate sirens on the police squad cars

were heard proceeding in the direction of the county courthouse. While

crossing the street, some citizen with a transistor radio stated that

it had just been announced that shots had been fired at the President's

motorcade.

I immediately proceeded toward the office and observed two agents

coming from the direction of the office, who advised that the office

was trying to contact me and I was to proceed to the homicide and

robbery bureau of the Dallas Police Department.

I immediately proceeded to the homicide and robbery bureau and

contacted my office and was advised that I was to maintain liaison with

the homicide and robbery bureau.

Mr. STERN. Did you then go to the police headquarters?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Yes; as I said, I went to the homicide and robbery bureau

after contacting the Dallas office.

Mr. STERN. What then occurred at the police headquarters? Let me ask

you this: How soon after you arrived there was Oswald brought in?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Well, it was some little time, as I recall, the next

pertinent instance was a report that the Dallas Police officer had

been shot, and that was in the Oak Cliff area. Captain Fritz had

not returned to the office at that time. When he did return, and

subsequently Oswald was apprehended in the Texas Theatre, information

was passed to Captain Fritz as to the name of the suspect that they had

apprehended on the Tippit shooting, and at that time he stated that

that was the suspect that they were looking for on the killing of the

President.

Mr. STERN. Did the name Lee Harvey Oswald mean anything to you at that

time?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No. Captain Fritz went on to explain that Oswald was an

employee of the Texas Book Depository, who they had ascertained left

his employment there subsequent to the shooting incident.

Mr. STERN. And sometime after this he was brought to the police

headquarters?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Yes.

Mr. STERN. Were you present when he was brought in?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Yes.

Mr. STERN. Can you describe his physical condition?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I can recall one of the officers that brought him in was

Paul Bentley. He is a polygraph operator in the identification division

of the Dallas Police Department, and Bentley was limping, and Oswald

had one eye that was swollen and a scratch mark on his forehead.

Mr. STERN. Did you observe any other bruises?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. None.

Mr. STERN. Was he handcuffed?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Yes.

Mr. STERN. Was he walking by himself, or being held by police officers?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. To my recollection there was an officer on each side of

him that had ahold of his arms.

Mr. STERN. Was he struggling?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No; just walking in, you know what I mean.

Mr. STERN. Yes.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. In a normal fashion.

Mr. STERN. Then what occurred, that you observed?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I believe he was taken directly into Captain Fritz'

office and the interview started at that time with Captain Fritz, and

two homicide officers.

Mr. STERN. Were you present?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I was not in the office at that time. I called our

office, advised them he had been brought in, and that the interview was

starting and shortly thereafter Mr. Shanklin, our SAC called back and

said the Bureau wanted the agents present in the interview and that

Hosty, James P. Hosty, I believe was to sit in on the interview, and I

was to also be present with Hosty. So, at that time, we asked Captain

Fritz to sit in on the interview, and that was approximately 3:15 p.m.

Mr. STERN. How long had the interview gone on before you were present?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Very shortly. I would give a rough estimate of not more

than 5 to 10 minutes at the most.

Mr. STERN. How long did that first interview last?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. A little under an hour.

Mr. STERN. Was it interrupted at any point, if you remember?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Well, what I am thinking, we have got several interviews

here. I know from time to time I can't recall whether it was this

interview, or subsequent interviews Captain Fritz would have to leave

the office for a second or two. By "office," I mean the immediate

office that the interview was being conducted in, but still within the

homicide and robbery office.

Mr. STERN. Did the interviewing continue when he was out of the room,

or did you wait for his return?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No; it would continue.

Mr. STERN. By whom was the interview conducted?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Primarily it was conducted by Captain Fritz and then

before he would leave from one point to another he would ask if there

was anything we wanted to ask him particularly on that point.

Mr. STERN. By "we," you mean Agent Hosty and yourself?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Right.

Mr. STERN. What was Oswald's demeanor in the course of this interview?

Did he seem in control of himself, excited, or calm? Can you describe

his conduct?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. He was very arrogant and argumentative. That is about the

extent of the comment on that.

Mr. STERN. Is this as to you and Hosty, or also Captain Fritz? Did he

differentiate in his conduct between Captain Fritz and the two of you?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Now--no; that would apply to everyone present.

Mr. STERN. Did he answer all questions put to him or did he refuse to

answer the questions?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No; there would be certain questions that he refused to

comment about.

Mr. STERN. When this happened was the question pressed, or another

question asked?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Anyone asking the--another question would be asked.

Mr. STERN. What sort of question would he refuse to answer? Was there

any pattern to his refusing?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Well, now, I am not certain whether this would apply then

to this particular interview, the first interview or not, in answering

this, but I recall specifically one of the interviews asking him about

the Selective Service card which he had in the name of Hidell, and he

admitted that he was carrying the card, but that he would not admit

that he wrote the signature of Hidell on the card, and at that point

stated that he refused to discuss the matter further. I think generally

you might say anytime that you asked a question that would be pertinent

to the investigation, that would be the type of question he would

refuse to discuss.

Mr. STERN. Would you say he had a pretty good idea of what might be

incriminating and what not incriminating?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Well, I think that would call for an opinion, and I can

only report the facts to you, and based on the example of the type of

questions that I had commented on that he refused to answer, you will

have to draw your own conclusion on that.

Mr. STERN. Fine. I am just trying to get at whether he seemed

in command of himself and alert, and whether he handled himself

responsibly from his own viewpoint, but if you don't want to venture an

opinion, that's fine.

When you first joined the interview, did you advise him that you were

an agent of the FBI, and did you say anything about warning him that

evidence--that anything he said might be used?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Yes; that was done by Agent Hosty.

Mr. STERN. Did he, at that point, or later say anything specifically

regarding the FBI?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Yes.

Mr. STERN. Tell us what that was.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. He accused the FBI of, generally, unfair tactics in

interviewing his wife on some previous occasion.

Mr. STERN. Was this directed specifically at either you or Hosty, or to

the general----

Mr. BOOKHOUT. It was directed against Hosty.

Mr. STERN. He did not, Oswald did not indicate that he knew Hosty

himself, did he?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No.

Mr. STERN. But, there was a complaint about an interview, or

interrogation of Marina Oswald?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. Right.

Mr. STERN. Did he say anything about FBI interviews of him that had

occurred in the past, any complaint about such interviews?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I don't know that that would be in this particular

interview, but in one of the interviews which has been reported he

stated that he had been interviewed at Fort Worth, Tex., by agents upon

his return to the United States from Russia, and he felt that they had

used unfair means of interviewing him, or something. Those are not his

exact words, but that is the impression he conveyed.

Mr. STERN. Unfair in what respect?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I don't know.

Mr. STERN. Did he say?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No.

Mr. STERN. Tell us the nature of his complaint.

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I think he probably used the expression, "Unfair

tactics," or something in their interviews.

Mr. STERN. Yes. Did he indicate that he felt that the interview that

was then going on was unfair in any way? Did he complain about that?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. No, he didn't complain about the interview. He made a

complaint or two, as I recall, that one of the interviews that has

been reported, in fact, I believe it was in this first interview he

complained about his hands being handcuffed behind his back, and asked

Captain Fritz to remove the handcuffs. Captain Fritz had one of his

officers uncuff his hands from behind his back and recuff them in front

and asked him if that was more satisfactory and he stated that it was.

Mr. STERN. Any other aspect of his treatment that he complained of?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. I recall one of the interviews that he complained about

the lineup that he was in, that he wasn't allowed to wear a jacket

similar to jackets worn by others in the lineup.

Mr. STERN. Did this occur at the lineup or subsequently?

Mr. BOOKHOUT. This was in one of the interviews in Captain Fritz'

office.

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