Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he said?
Mr. GRAVES. He said no, he didn't shoot him.
Mr. BELIN. Was he asked in your presence whether or not he shot Officer
Tippit?
Mr. GRAVES. No.
Mr. BELIN. Was he asked in your presence whether or not he owned a
rifle?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what his answer was?
Mr. GRAVES. He said that he didn't.
Mr. BELIN. Was he asked in your presence anything about a picture of
him with a rifle?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what his statement was with regard to the
picture?
Mr. GRAVES. He said, "You could superimpose anything you want to with
cameras. It wasn't him."
Mr. BELIN. Did he say anything else, that you remember, about the
picture?
Mr. GRAVES. No.
Mr. BELIN. Was he asked anything about the use of an alias?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes; he was, but he denied that, of course.
Mr. BELIN. Was he asked anything about his having a pistol in his
possession when he was apprehended, or did he make any statements?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, he wasn't asked anything about the pistol in my
presence.
Mr. BELIN. Did he make any statements about having a lawyer while he
was in your presence?
Mr. GRAVES. Having a lawyer?
Mr. BELIN. Yes.
Mr. GRAVES. No.
Mr. BELIN. Now when you brought him in, after you brought him in, which
was around 9:30, how long did you stay there? Through about how many
minutes of interrogation before you left?
Mr. GRAVES. Let's see, from 9:30 until approximately 11:15, somewhere
along there.
Mr. BELIN. Were you in the room in which the interrogation occurred
throughout this period?
Mr. GRAVES. No.
Mr. BELIN. Well, how long were you in the room where he was being
interrogated?
Mr. GRAVES. About 10 minutes.
Mr. BELIN. You were there the first 10 minutes?
Mr. GRAVES. No; last 10 minutes.
Mr. BELIN. Did you hear any of the initial questions of the
interrogation at all?
Mr. GRAVES. No.
Mr. BELIN. Now you accompanied Oswald down from his fifth floor jail
cell to Captain Fritz' office to be interrogated, is that correct?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Did you have any conversation with him when you picked him
up at his jail cell?
Mr. GRAVES. No.
Mr. BELIN. Did you remember telling him he was going to be brought down
for interrogation?
Mr. GRAVES. I told him they were going to transfer him.
Mr. BELIN. That is what you told him?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What did he say as to that?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, he didn't have anything to say. He didn't know what
transfer meant, I don't think. I think he meant from one jail cell to
another. He didn't know that meant going to the county.
Mr. BELIN. When you brought him down to Captain Fritz' office, he of
course had been there before, hadn't he?
Mr. GRAVES. Oh, yes.
Mr. BELIN. Did he have any comments as he walked in the office about
being interrogated or anything of that nature?
Mr. GRAVES. I don't know. He might have said something to the news
media, I don't remember what it was.
Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not Lee Harvey Oswald ever
requested that he be provided a lawyer, insofar as your own personal
knowledge is concerned? Did he ever make any such request to you or in
your presence?
Mr. GRAVES. No, no; sure didn't.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know of your own personal knowledge whether or not he
was ever advised that he had a right to have a lawyer?
Mr. GRAVES. Not in my presence.
Mr. BELIN. This is what I am asking, then, just of your own knowledge?
Mr. GRAVES. No; he wasn't.
Mr. BELIN. He might have been by someone else, but it wasn't done
before you?
Mr. GRAVES. Might have been by someone else, but not in my presence.
Mr. BELIN. Was this as much contact as you had with Oswald? You
indicate you saw him in a showup and you picked him up in a jail cell
and you brought him down to be interrogated on November 24, when
you were present during about 10 minutes, the latter part of this
interrogation. Any other contacts with Oswald apart from these?
Mr. GRAVES. No; not that I had direct contact with him.
Mr. BELIN. What was your impression of him, as far as a person is
concerned? His demeanor, his action, what kind of a person he was?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, of course I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist,
but I would say he was an eight ball, in my vernacular.
Mr. BELIN. An eight ball in Army vernacular?
Mr. GRAVES. In any vernacular. We deal with a lot of people in our
business, as well as we run into all types of people. I would say that
he was egotistical.
Mr. BELIN. Let me stop right there. What gave you the impression he was
egotistical?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, I don't know. A person of his nature and cocky
attitude, I don't know exactly how to explain it.
Mr. BELIN. Any specific thing that he did that gave you that
impression, that you can remember at all, or not?
Mr. GRAVES. No; not anything in particular. Again, you just have to be
around people. I don't know how to explain how people act to where it
means anything, but I know what it means to me. I have been wrong a few
times, but I have been right most of the time in summing up how people
are, their actions, and so forth, and I would say this boy was a little
far out in his belief about things in general.
And the way he conducted hisself. He is just plain egotistical, that is
all. He don't care about you, me, or anybody else. He is caring about
Oswald.
Mr. BELIN. Can you think of any specific action or remark of his that
might be an illustration of this?
Mr. GRAVES. I can't offhand, no.
Mr. BELIN. Well, you described him, you used the phrase "eight ball."
You used "egotistical." Can you use any other adjective that you think
would apply to him as you saw him?
Mr. GRAVES. No; I think that pretty well covers it, myself.
Mr. BELIN. Was he generally quiet, or was he soft spoken, or was he
quick to make remarks?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, he was quick to answer and quick to make a remark
when he was spoken to or asked a question.
Mr. BELIN. Is he what you would categorize as polite in his answers or
not?
Mr. GRAVES. Not always polite. He was straightforward and to the point,
and not necessarily polite.
Don't lead me off in a channel of psychiatry, because I am just telling
you my own personal feeling about the man, and I could be wrong, as I
said. So I am not an expert in that field. I am just telling you what I
think about the man, and you take it for what it is worth. As I said, I
could be wrong. I have been wrong before.