Mr. BELIN. Well, today is Wednesday. Could it have been on Tuesday, or
Monday?
Mr. SIMS. I don't know if it was yesterday or Monday.
Mr. BELIN. Was it either late Monday, April 6, or Tuesday, April 7?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. That Captain Fritz told you that back on November 22, he had
told you to get the hulls and bring them down?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. And you also discussed this with Detective Boyd either on
April 6 or 7?
Mr. SIMS. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. You are nodding your head yes?
Mr. SIMS. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right. Now, after they told you this, what is the fact
as to whether you then do or do not independently remember actually
putting these shells in an envelope?
Mr. SIMS. I do, yes, sir; I remember putting them in an envelope.
Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not you now independently
remember putting that envelope in your pocket?
Mr. SIMS. I do, yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did Captain Fritz tell you that he saw you put them in your
pocket?
Mr. SIMS. No; he didn't say anything about the envelope or pocket. I
remember he told me to be sure and get the hulls.
Mr. BELIN. What about Boyd, did he say anything about an envelope? Or
pocket?
Mr. SIMS. I don't believe he did, no, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what color envelope it was?
Mr. SIMS. I believe it was a brown, something brown envelope.
Mr. BELIN. You are pointing to a brown manilla envelope on top of the
desk here?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember how big an envelope it was?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I don't. We have two different sizes, and I don't
remember what size.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember from whom you got the envelope?
Mr. SIMS. Lieutenant Day had it. When he goes to a scene, he has
envelopes.
Mr. BELIN. Did Lieutenant Day or anyone else see you put that envelope
in your pocket?
Mr. SIMS. I don't know if he saw me put the envelope in my pocket, but
he was there when I took possession of the hulls.
Mr. BELIN. He was?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; I am not sure, I don't know if the other crime lab
officer was present or not. That would be Studebaker, I believe.
Mr. BELIN. Where were these hulls when you last saw them, or saw the
envelope in which they were?
Mr. SIMS. In Captain Fritz' office, I believe.
Mr. BELIN. Were they just laying on his desk, or in his physical
possession?
Mr. SIMS. In this envelope.
Mr. BELIN. Was the envelope on his desk?
Mr. SIMS. I don't remember if I actually gave them to him or put them
there on the desk in front of him.
Mr. BELIN. But he was there when you left there?
Mr. SIMS. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. And that is the last time you saw them?
Mr. SIMS. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember whether or not you ever initialed the hulls?
Mr. SIMS. I don't know if I initialed the hulls or not.
Mr. BELIN. If you would have initialed the hulls, what initials would
you have used?
Mr. SIMS. As a rule, RMS.
Mr. BELIN. RMS?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; but I believe I initialed the hulls or the envelope
that I put them in.
Mr. BELIN. Would you have initialed the outside or the inside of the
hull? By that, do you understand what I mean?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; it all depends. I would initial the outside of the
hulls, I imagine, or put a mark directly inside of the hull.
Mr. BELIN. Either on the outside or directly inside the top part of the
hull?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; the end.
Mr. BELIN. On the end of the hull?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, the spent end.
Mr. BELIN. The spent end?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else you can think of that might be relevant?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; but I do definitely remember him telling me about be
sure and get the hulls.
Mr. BELIN. You definitely remember getting the hulls?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; sure do.
Mr. BELIN. Have you and I ever talked before you walked through the
door?
Mr. SIMS. No.
Mr. BELIN. As soon as you walked through the door, I had you raise your
right hand and you started testifying, is that correct?
Mr. SIMS. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Do you want to read this deposition, or are you going to
sign the other deposition?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; just go ahead.
Mr. BELIN. Ship it on in?
Mr. SIMS. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right, thank you, sir.