Mr. BALL. What is his full name?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Wilson F. Warren, and this kid on the left--I don't
know--I don't know his name. Of course, I know him.
Mr. BALL. That's Sergeant Warren on the right?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What is his assignment?
Mr. WESTBROOK. He is jail supervisor.
Mr. BALL. And do you know when the picture was taken?
Mr. WESTBROOK. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. And in this picture it looks like there was some mark on
Oswald's face.
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes, it looks like it might have been a little
discoloration there--I think in the mug shot that shows up quite a bit
more so than it does there, but you can see some.
Mr. BALL. And also on the left eye and right forehead, is that right?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Well, I don't recall anything, but that little bruise.
Mr. BALL. The bruise under the eye?
Mr. WESTBROOK. The bruise under the eye whenever I looked at him.
Mr. BALL. Under which eye?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I think it was the right eye--no, wait a minute, that
would be the left eye--left eye.
Mr. BALL. You do recall that?
Mr. WESTBROOK. The one that was facing me--he was facing me.
Mr. BALL. Do you recall a bruise under the left eye--when?
Mr. WESTBROOK. When I looked at him in the theatre, but why, as many
officers as there were ahold of him, how he got out from under all the
group without more than that, I don't know. Just accidentally trying to
straighten up, with as many officers as there were there--I don't know.
Mr. BALL. And you think you do recall that bruise under the left eye?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Maybe I should put that this way, Mr. Ball, a bruise
under the eye, because I can't be definite about which eye, but just
from the picture I see, but I know I saw that bruise and due to the
fact that he had hollered "brutality"--well I'm getting ahead of myself
here, so I'll just quit.
Mr. BALL. Go right ahead.
Mr. WESTBROOK. Due to the fact that he had hollered "brutality," as
soon as Mr. McDonald had arrived at the city hall with the scratch on
his face, I sent him on upstairs.
Mr. BALL. As soon as Oswald arrived?
Mr. WESTBROOK. No; as soon as McDonald arrived. I had nothing to do
with Oswald after he got to the city hall.
Mr. BALL. Did you also see a scratch on McDonald's face?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I don't remember which side, but it was a rather
long scratch and I had him to go to the Bureau and have his picture
made--there is a picture of that, which you may have in your possession.
Mr. BALL. That was Officer McDonald--you had his picture taken
immediately of his face?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. We will mark this as "Exhibit A" in your deposition.
(Instrument marked by the reporter as "Westbrook's Exhibit A," for
identification.)
Mr. BALL. What happened after that?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Well, from there on I had nothing to do with him--with
Oswald.
Mr. BALL. Did you see him taken from the theatre?
Mr. WESTBROOK. No, sir; because I went the other way.
Mr. BALL. You went to the back?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes; he went out the front and I never saw Oswald
again--that's the last time I saw him.
Mr. BALL. Now, what did you do after that?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I went back to the city hall and resumed my desk.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever find some clothing?
Mr. WESTBROOK. That was before, Mr. Ball.
Mr. BALL. When was that?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Actually, I didn't find it--it was pointed out to me by
either some officer that--that was while we were going over the scene
in the close area where the shooting was concerned, someone pointed out
a jacket to me that was laying under a car and I got the jacket and
told the officer to take the license number.
Mr. BALL. When did this happen? You gave me a sort of a resume of what
you had done, but you omitted this incident.
Mr. WESTBROOK. I tell you what--this occurred shortly--let me think
just a minute. We had been to the library and there is a little bit
more conversation on the radio--I got on the radio and I asked the
dispatcher about along this time, and I think this was after the
library situation, if there had been a command post set up and who was
in charge at the scene, and he told me Sergeant Owens, and about that
time we saw Sergeant Owens pass.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean by "command post"?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Well, the definition--the way we place a command
post--maybe I can use another illustration.
If there is some disaster, generally, as in this particular case, there
should have been a central person in charge, which was Sergeant Owens,
as he had said. The actual command post had not been established, but
let me better explain a command post by a disaster area, like a fire.
In other words, you set it up at a certain location on the corner of
Eighth and Seventh, and you work from there. Now, in this case we
didn't have such a command post set up because one of the main reasons
was because it wasn't defined a disaster area as we normally put it,
but then I got out of the car after we got back in the car at the
library and finally I got out of the car over on Jefferson Street--I
would say about the 300 or 400 block of East Jefferson. No; that would
be West Jefferson--because 10th comes through--yes; that would be West
Jefferson.
Mr. BALL. Was that before you went to the scene of the Tippit shooting?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes, sir; that was before we went to that scene.
Mr. BALL. That was after you left the library?
Mr. WESTBROOK. After we left the library. I got out of the car and
walked through the parking lot.
Mr. BALL. What parking lot?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I don't know--it may have been a used-car lot.
Mr. BALL. On what street?
Mr. WESTBROOK. It was actually on Jefferson, but the place where this
jacket was found would have been back closer to the alley, Mr. Ball.
Mr. BALL. The alley of what?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Between Jefferson and whatever the next street is over
there.
Mr. BALL. Tenth Street is the street north.
Mr. WESTBROOK. What street?
Mr. BALL. You see, the street directly north of Jefferson is 10th
Street.
Mr. WESTBROOK. It would be between Jefferson and 10th Street?
Mr. BALL. And where with reference to Patton?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Well, it would be toward town or it would be north of
Patton--I guess it would be east of Patton.
Mr. BALL. It would be west of Patton, wouldn't it? Or would it be
toward Patton?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Toward town--if I could see a map?
Mr. BALL. Well, here is a map [handed instrument to the witness].
Mr. WESTBROOK. I used to be very familiar with that.
Mr. BALL. There is a map and you can look at it and tell us.
Mr. WESTBROOK. [Examining instrument.] Now, I've got it located--here
is the Texas Theatre and I'm on Jefferson now. It would be Cumberland,
Storey, and Crawford--I would say it would be between Crawford and
Storey.
Mr. BALL. Between Crawford and Storey on Jefferson?
Mr. WESTBROOK. On Jefferson, between 10th and Jefferson there.
Mr. BALL. That would be west of Patton.
Mr. WESTBROOK. That would be west of Patton--yes, sir; toward the
theatre.
Mr. BALL. Now, you came from the library--where is that library?
Mr. WESTBROOK. The library is at Marsalis and Jefferson, sir. It must
be here on Turner Plaza right here.
Mr. BALL. You drove west on Jefferson, did you?
Mr. WESTBROOK. We drove west on Jefferson.
Mr. BALL. And you got out of the car where?
Mr. WESTBROOK. We got out of the car about here [indicating].
Mr. BALL. At what street?
Mr. WESTBROOK. It was between two streets, and I would say it was
between this Storey and Crawford.
Mr. BALL. Why did you get out of the car at that time?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Just more or less searching--just no particular
reason--just searching the area.
Mr. BALL. You were just looking around to see what you could see?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes; and at this time I had a shotgun--I had borrowed a
shotgun from a patrolman.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go when you got out of the car?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I walked through, and this is a car lot or a parking
area, right along in here, and I don't know whether I am wrong on my
location or not, but I think I'm right.
Mr. BALL. You walked through a car lot, did you?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes, sir; and I think I came out--is that a
church--there's a church right there close by.
Mr. BALL. Was there a station anywhere near there, a service station?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Oh, there could have been--yes, sir. There was either a
used-car lot or a parking lot--that I don't know.
Mr. BALL. Well, I show you some pictures here.
Mr. WESTBROOK. I would recognize it in the picture.
Mr. BALL. This is a picture of a Texaco station at the intersection of
Crawford and Jefferson.
Mr. WESTBROOK. At Crawford and Jefferson?
Mr. BALL. There is a parking area behind that.
Mr. WESTBROOK. This looks more like it.
Mr. BALL. The Texaco station?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes--the Texaco station; and I think where this jacket
was found was right along in here [indicating].
Mr. BALL. Now, the picture you are looking at is identified as a
parking lot, and on a parking area behind the Texaco service station at
the corner of Crawford and Jefferson?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You walked through there, did you?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I walked through from Jefferson.
Mr. BALL. From Jefferson?
Mr. WESTBROOK. There is an old house--the only thing--I come down
by this station there--there is an old house there and some of the
officers were looking it over. They had seen somebody go in it and
there was quite a few officers there so I didn't pay any further
attention to it. So, I walked on, and possibly--this may be it--it
appears to be it right here in the corner.
Mr. BALL. Put an arrow showing the old house.
Mr. WESTBROOK. I think this is it right here--I can't be positive, but
I think that's it.
Mr. BALL. Make an arrow with a pen.
Mr. WESTBROOK. The arrow marks the point of an old house.
Mr. BALL. That you walked toward, is that right?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you have marked that old house?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Now, what did you do and what did you see?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Well, there were several officers--there were some at
the back and there were some in the front, and so I just hesitated a
moment and then I walked on.
Mr. BALL. You walked where?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I think I come up this way.
Mr. BALL. By "this way" you mean towards the parking lot?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Towards the parking lot--yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Behind the Texaco service station?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes; behind the Texaco service station, and
some officer, I feel sure it was an officer, I still can't be
positive--pointed this jacket out to me and it was laying slightly
under the rear of one of the cars.
Mr. BALL. What kind of a car was it?
Mr. WESTBROOK. That, I couldn't tell you. I told the officer to take
the make and the license number.
Mr. BALL. Did you take the number yourself?
Mr. WESTBROOK. No.
Mr. BALL. What was the name of the officer?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I couldn't tell you that, sir.
Mr. BALL. I offer this as Exhibit B, which is identified as "37.
Parking area behind Texaco station," and on which the witness has
marked "old house."
(Instrument marked by the reporter as "Westbrook Exhibit No. B," for
identification.)
(Instrument marked by the reporter as "Westbrook Exhibit No. C," for
identification.)
Mr. BALL. I show you another picture which is identified as "38. Place
where jacket found behind Oldsmobile, License No. NL 95."
Does that look anything like the area where you saw the jacket?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I would say that the jacket probably, if this is the
area, was probably right along in here.
Mr. BALL. Put a circle there in the general area.
(Witness complied with request of Counsel Ball.)
Mr. BALL. The jacket was underneath a car?
Mr. WESTBROOK. But, I am guessing on this--slightly underneath a car.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean you are guessing on this--what are you
guessing about?
Mr. WESTBROOK. About where the jacket was found in this picture.