POLITICAL.

_Question_. Is it true, as rumored, that you intend to leave

Washington and reside in New York?

_Answer_. No, I expect to remain here for years to come, so far

as I can now see. My present intention is certainly to stay here

during the coming winter.

_Question_. Is this because you regard Washington as the pleasantest

and most advantageous city for a residence?

_Answer_. Well, in the first place, I dislike to move. In the

next place, the climate is good. In the third place, the political

atmosphere has been growing better of late, and when you consider

that I avoid one dislike and reap the benefits of two likes, you

can see why I remain.

_Question_. Do you think that the moral atmosphere will improve

with the political atmosphere?

_Answer_. I would hate to say that this city is capable of any

improvement in the way of morality. We have a great many churches,

a great many ministers, and, I believe, some retired chaplains, so

I take it that the moral tone of the place could hardly be bettered.

One majority in the Senate might help it. Seriously, however, I

think that Washington has as high a standard of morality as any

city in the Union. And it is one of the best towns in which to

loan money without collateral in the world.

_Question_. Do you know this from experience?

_Answer_. This I have been told [was the solemn answer.]

_Question_. Do you think that the political features of the incoming

administration will differ from the present?

_Answer_. Of course, I have no right to speak for General Garfield.

I believe his administration will be Republican, at the same time

perfectly kind, manly, and generous. He is a man to harbor no

resentment. He knows that it is the duty of statesmanship to remove

causes of irritation rather then punish the irritated.

_Question_. Do I understand you to imply that there will be a

neutral policy, as it were, towards the South?

_Answer_. No, I think that there will be nothing neutral about

it. I think that the next administration will be one-sided--that

is, it will be on the right side. I know of no better definition

for a compromise than to say it is a proceeding in which hypocrites

deceive each other. I do not believe that the incoming administration

will be neutral in anything. The American people do not like

neutrality. They would rather a man were on the wrong side than

on neither. And, in my judgment, there is no paper so utterly

unfair, malicious and devilish, as one that claims to be neutral.

No politician is as bitter as a neutral politician. Neutrality is

generally used as a mask to hide unusual bitterness. Sometimes it

hides what it is--nothing. It always stands for hollowness of head

or bitterness of heart, sometimes for both. My idea is--and that

is the only reason I have the right to express it--that General

Garfield believes in the platform adopted by the Republican party.

He believes in free speech, in honest money, in divorce of church

and state, and he believes in the protection of American citizens

by the Federal Government wherever the flag flies. He believes

that the Federal Government is as much bound to protect the citizen

at home as abroad. I believe he will do the very best he can to

carry these great ideas into execution and make them living realities

in the United States. Personally, I have no hatred toward the

Southern people. I have no hatred toward any class. I hate tyranny,

no matter whether it is South or North; I hate hypocrisy, and I

hate above all things, the spirit of caste. If the Southern people

could only see that they gained as great a victory in the Rebellion

as the North did, and some day they will see it, the whole question

would be settled. The South has reaped a far greater benefit from

being defeated than the North has from being successful, and I

believe some day the South will be great enough to appreciate that

fact. I have always insisted that to be beaten by the right is to

be a victor. The Southern people must get over the idea that they

are insulted simply because they are out-voted, and they ought by

this time to know that the Republicans of the North, not only do

not wish them harm, but really wish them the utmost success.

_Question_. But has the Republican party all the good and the

Democratic all the bad?

_Answer_. No, I do not think that the Republican party has all

the good, nor do I pretend that the Democratic party has all the

bad; though I may say that each party comes pretty near it. I

admit that there are thousands of really good fellows in the

Democratic party, and there are some pretty bad people in the

Republican party. But I honestly believe that within the latter

are most of the progressive men of this country. That party has

in it the elements of growth. It is full of hope. It anticipates.

The Democratic party remembers. It is always talking about the

past. It is the possessor of a vast amount of political rubbish,

and I really believe it has outlived its usefulness. I firmly

believe that your editor, Mr. Hutchings, could start a better

organization, if he would only turn his attention to it. Just

think for a moment of the number you could get rid of by starting

a new party. A hundred names will probably suggest themselves to

any intelligent Democrat, the loss of which would almost insure

success. Some one has said that a tailor in Boston made a fortune

by advertising that he did not cut the breeches of Webster's statue.

A new party by advertising that certain men would not belong to

it, would have an advantage in the next race.

_Question_. What, in your opinion, were the causes which led to

the Democratic defeat?

_Answer_. I think the nomination of English was exceedingly

unfortunate. Indiana, being an October State, the best man in that

State should have been nominated either for President or Vice-

President. Personally, I know nothing of Mr. English, but I have

the right to say that he was exceedingly unpopular. That was

mistake number one. Mistake number two was putting a plank in the

platform insisting upon a tariff for revenue only. That little

word "only" was one of the most frightful mistakes ever made by a

political party. That little word "only" was a millstone around

the neck of the entire campaign. The third mistake was Hancock's

definition of the tariff. It was exceedingly unfortunate, exceedingly

laughable, and came just in the nick of time. The fourth mistake

was the speech of Wade Hampton, I mean the speech that the Republican

papers claim he made. Of course I do not know, personally, whether

it was made or not. If made, it was a great mistake. Mistake

number five was made in Alabama, where they refused to allow a

Greenbacker to express his opinion. That lost the Democrats enough

Greenbackers to turn the scale in Maine, and enough in Indiana to

change that election. Mistake number six was in the charges made

against General Garfield. They were insisted upon, magnified and

multiplied until at last the whole thing assumed the proportions

of a malicious libel. This was a great mistake, for the reason

that a number of Democrats in the United States had most heartily

and cordially indorsed General Garfield as a man of integrity and

great ability. Such indorsements had been made by the leading

Democrats of the North and South, among them Governor Hendricks

and many others I might name. Jere Black had also certified to

the integrity and intellectual grandeur of General Garfield, and

when afterward he certified to the exact contrary, the people

believed that it was a persecution. The next mistake, number seven,

was the Chinese letter. While it lost Garfield California, Nevada,

and probably New Jersey, it did him good in New York. This letter

was the greatest mistake made, because a crime is greater than a

mistake. These, in my judgment, are the principal mistakes made

by the Democratic party in the campaign. Had McDonald been on the

ticket the result might have been different, or had the party united

on some man in New York, satisfactory to the factions, it might

have succeeded. The truth, however, is that the North to-day is

Republican, and it may be that had the Democratic party made no

mistakes whatever the result would have been the same. But that

mistakes were made is now perfectly evident to the blindest partisan.

If the ticket originally suggested, Seymour and McDonald, had been

nominated on an unobjectionable platform, the result might have

been different. One of the happiest days in my life was the day on

which the Cincinnati convention did not nominate Seymour and did

nominate English. I regard General Hancock as a good soldier, but

not particularly qualified to act as President. He has neither

the intellectual training nor the experience to qualify him for

that place.

_Question_. You have doubtless heard of a new party, Colonel.

What is your idea in regard to it?

_Answer_. I have heard two or three speak of a new party to be

called the National party, or National Union party, but whether

there is anything in such a movement I have no means of knowing.

Any party in opposition to the Republican, no matter what it may

be called, must win on a new issue, and that new issue will determine

the new party. Parties cannot be made to order. They must grow.

They are the natural offspring of national events. They must embody

certain hopes, they must gratify, or promise to gratify, the feelings

of a vast number of people. No man can make a party, and if a new

party springs into existence it will not be brought forth to gratify

the wishes of a few, but the wants of the many. It has seemed to

me for years that the Democratic party carried too great a load in

the shape of record; that its autobiography was nearly killing it

all the time, and that if it could die just long enough to assume

another form at the resurrection, just long enough to leave a grave

stone to mark the end of its history, to get a cemetery back of

it, that it might hope for something like success. In other words,

that there must be a funeral before there can be victory. Most of

its leaders are worn out. They have become so accustomed to defeat

that they take it as a matter of course; they expect it in the

beginning and seem unconsciously to work for it. There must be

some new ideas, and this only can happen when the party as such

has been gathered to its fathers. I do not think that the advice

of Senator Hill will be followed. He is willing to kill the

Democratic party in the South if we will kill the Republican party

in the North. This puts me in mind of what the rooster said to

the horse: "Let us agree not to step on each other's feet."

_Question_. Your views of the country's future and prospects must

naturally be rose colored?

_Answer_. Of course, I look at things through Republican eyes and

may be prejudiced without knowing it. But it really seems to me

that the future is full of great promise. The South, after all,

is growing more prosperous. It is producing more and more every

year, until in time it will become wealthy. The West is growing

almost beyond the imagination of a speculator, and the Eastern and

Middle States are much more than holding their own. We have now

fifty millions of people and in a few years will have a hundred.

That we are a Nation I think is now settled. Our growth will be

unparalleled. I myself expect to live to see as many ships on the

Pacific as on the Atlantic. In a few years there will probably be

ten millions of people living along the Rocky and Sierra Mountains.

It will not be long until Illinois will find her market west of

her. In fifty years this will be the greatest nation on the earth,

and the most populous in the civilized world. China is slowly

awakening from the lethargy of centuries. It will soon have the

wants of Europe, and America will supply those wants. This is a

nation of inventors and there is more mechanical ingenuity in the

United States than on the rest of the globe. In my judgment this

country will in a short time add to its customers hundreds of

millions of the people of the Celestial Empire. So you see, to

me, the future is exceedingly bright. And besides all this, I must

not forget the thing that is always nearest my heart. There is

more intellectual liberty in the United States to-day than ever

before. The people are beginning to see that every citizen ought

to have the right to express himself freely upon every possible

subject. In a little while, all the barbarous laws that now disgrace

the statute books of the States by discriminating against a man

simply because he is honest, will be repealed, and there will be

one country where all citizens will have and enjoy not only equal

rights, but all rights. Nothing gratifies me so much as the growth

of intellectual liberty. After all, the true civilization is where

every man gives to every other, every right that he claims for

himself.

--_The Post_, Washington, D. C., November 14, 1880.

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