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THE

SCEPTICAL CHYMIST:

OR

CHYMICO-PHYSICAL

Doubts & Paradoxes,

Touching the

SPAGYRIST'S PRINCIPLES

Commonly call'd

HYPOSTATICAL,

As they are wont to be Propos'd and Defended by the Generality of

ALCHYMISTS.

Whereunto is praemis'd Part of another Discourse relating to the same

Subject.

BY

The Honourable _ROBERT BOYLE_, Esq;

_LONDON,_

Printed by _J. Cadwell_ for _J. Crooke_, and are to be Sold at the

_Ship_ in St. _Paul's_ Church-Yard.

_MDCLXI._

CONTENTS

A Praeface Introductory

Physiological Considerations

The First Part

The Second Part

The Third Part

The Fourth Part

The Fifth Part

The Sixth Part

The Conclusion

Printer's Note

Errata

A

PRAEFACE

INTRODUCTORY

_To the following Treatise._

_To give the Reader an account, Why the following Treatise is suffer'd

to pass abroad so maim'd and imperfect, I must inform him that 'tis

now long since, that to gratify an ingenious Gentleman, I set down

some of the Reasons that kept me from fully acquiescing either in the

Peripatetical, or in the Chymical Doctrine, of the Material Principles

of mixt Bodies. This Discourse some years after falling into the hands

of some Learned men, had the good luck to be so favourably receiv'd,

and advantageously spoken of by them, that having had more then

ordinary Invitations given me to make it publick, I thought fit to

review it, that I might retrench some things that seem'd not so fit to

be shewn to every Reader, And substitute some of those other things

that occurr'd to me of the trials and observations I had since made.

What became of my papers, I elsewhere mention in a Preface where I

complain of it: But since I writ That, I found many sheets that

belong'd to the subjects I am now about to discourse of. Wherefore

seeing that I had then in my hands as much of the first Dialogue as

was requisite to state the Case, and serve for an Introduction as well

to the conference betwixt_ Carneades _and_ Eleutherius, _as to some

other Dialogues, which for certain reasons are not now herewith

publish'd, I resolv'd to supply, as well as I could, the Contents of a

Paper belonging to the second of the following Discourses, which I

could not possibly retrive, though it were the chief of them all. And

having once more try'd the Opinion of Friends, but not of the same,

about this imperfect work, I found it such, that I was content in

complyance with their Desires; that not only it should be publish'd,

but that it should be publish'd as soon as conveniently might be. I

had indeed all along the Dialogues spoken of my self, as of a third

Person; For, they containing Discourses which were among the first

Treatises that I ventur'd long ago to write of matters Philosophical,

I had reason to desire, with the Painter, to_ latere pone tabulam,

_and hear what men would say of them, before I own'd my self to be

their Author. But besides that now I find, 'tis not unknown to many

who it is that writ them, I am made to believe that 'tis not

inexpedient, they should be known to come from a Person not altogether

a stranger to Chymical Affairs. And I made the lesse scruple to let

them come abroad uncompleated, partly, because my affairs and

Prae-ingagements to publish divers other Treatises allow'd me small

hopes of being able in a great while to compleat these Dialogues. And

partly, because I am not unapt to think, that they may come abroad

seasonably enough, though not for the Authors reputation, yet for

other purposes. For I observe, that of late Chymistry begins, as

indeed it deserves, to be cultivated by Learned Men who before

despis'd it; and to be pretended to by many who never cultivated it,

that they may be thought not to ignore it: Whence it is come to passe,

that divers Chymical Notions about Matters Philosophical are taken for

granted and employ'd, and so adopted by very eminent Writers both

Naturalists and Physitians. Now this I fear may prove somewhat

prejudicial to the Advancement of solid Philosophy: For though I am a

great Lover of Chymical Experiments, and though I have no mean esteem

of divers Chymical Remedies, yet I distinguish these from their

Notions about the causes of things, and their manner of Generation.

And for ought I can hitherto discern, there are a thousand_ Phaenomena

_in Nature, besides a Multitude of Accidents relating to the humane

Body, which will scarcely be clearly & satisfactorily made out by them

that confine themselves to deduce things from Salt, Sulphur and

Mercury, and the other Notions peculiar to the Chymists, without

taking much more Notice than they are wont to do, of the Motions and

Figures, of the small Parts of Matter, and the other more Catholick

and Fruitful affections of Bodies. Wherefore it will not perhaps be

now unseasonable to let our_ Carneades _warne Men, not to subscribe to

the grand Doctrine of the Chymists touching their three Hypostatical

Principles, till they have a little examin'd it, and consider'd, how

they can clear it from his Objections, divers of which 'tis like they

may never have thought on; since a Chymist scarce would, and none but

a Chymist could propose them. I hope also it will not be unacceptable

to several Ingenious Persons, who are unwilling to determine of any

important Controversie, without a previous consideration of what may

be said on both sides, and yet have greater desires to understand

Chymical Matters, than Opportunities of learning them, to find here

together, besides several Experiments of my own purposely made to

Illustrate the Doctrine of the Elements, divers others scarce to be

met with, otherwise then Scatter'd among many Chymical Books. And to

Find these Associated Experiments so Deliver'd as that an Ordinary

Reader, if he be but Acquainted with the usuall Chymical Termes, may

easily enough Understand Them; and even a wary One may safely rely on

Them. These Things I add, because a Person any Thing vers'd in the

Writings of Chymists cannot but Discern by their obscure, Ambiguous,

and almost AEnigmatical Way of expressing what they pretend to Teach,

that they have no Mind, to be understood at all, but by_ the Sons of

Art _(as they call them) nor to be Understood even by these without

Difficulty And Hazardous Tryalls. Insomuch that some of Them Scarce

ever speak so candidly, as when they make use of that known Chymical

Sentence;_ Ubi palam locuti fumus, ibi nihil diximus. _And as the

obscurity of what some Writers deliver makes it very difficult to be

understood; so the Unfaithfulness of too many others makes it unfit to

be reli'd on. For though unwillingly, Yet I must for the truths sake,

and the Readers, warne him not to be forward to believe Chymical

Experiments when they are set down only by way of Prescriptions, and

not of Relations; that is, unless he that delivers them mentions his

doing it upon his own particular knowledge, or upon the Relation of

some credible person, avowing it upon his own experience. For I am

troubled, I must complain, that even Eminent Writers, both Physitians

and Philosophers, whom I can easily name, if it be requir'd, have of

late suffer'd themselves to be so far impos'd upon, as to Publish and

Build upon Chymical Experiments, which questionless they never try'd;

for if they had, they would, as well as I, have found them not to be

true. And indeed it were to be wish'd, that now that those begin to

quote Chymical Experiments that are not themselves Acquainted with

Chymical Operations, men would Leave off that Indefinite Way of

Vouching the Chymists say this, or the Chymists affirme that, and

would rather for each Experiment they alledge name the Author or

Authors, upon whose credit they relate it; For, by this means they

would secure themselves from the suspition of falshood (to which the

other Practice Exposes them) and they would Leave the Reader to Judge

of what is fit for him to Believe of what is Deliver'd, whilst they

employ not their own great names to Countenance doubtfull Relations;

and they will also do Justice to the Inventors or Publishers of true

Experiments, as well as upon the Obtruders of false ones. Whereas by

that general Way of quoting the Chymists, the candid Writer is

Defrauded of the particular Praise, and the Impostor escapes the

Personal Disgrace that is due to him._

_The remaining Part of this Praeface must be imploy'd in saying

something for_ Carneades, _and something for my Self._

_And first_, Carneades _hopes that he will be thought to have disputed

civilly and Modestly enough for one that was to play the Antagonist

and the Sceptick. And if he any where seem to sleight his Adversaries

Tenents and Arguments, he is willing to have it look'd upon as what he

was induc'd to, not so much by his Opinion of them, as the Examples

of_ Themistius _and_ Philoponus, _and the custom of such kind of

Disputes._

_Next, In case that some of his Arguments shall not be thought of the

most Cogent sort that may be, he hopes it will be consider'd that it

ought not to be Expected, that they should be So. For, his Part being

chiefly but to propose Doubts and Scruples, he does enough, if he

shews that his Adversaries Arguments are not strongly Concluding,

though his own be not so neither. And if there should appear any

disagreement betwixt the things he delivers in divers passages, he

hopes it will be consider'd, that it is not necessary that all the

things a Sceptick Proposes, should be consonant; since it being his

work to Suggest doubts against the Opinion he questions, it is

allowable for him to propose two or more severall_ Hypotheses _about

the same thing: And to say that it may be accounted for this way, or

that way, or the other Way, though these wayes be perhaps inconsistent

among Themselves. Because it is enough for him, if either of the

proposed_ Hypotheses _be but as probable as that he calls a question.

And if he proposes many that are Each of them probable, he does the

more satisfie his doubts, by making it appear the more difficult to be

sure, that that which they alwayes differ from is the true. And our_

Carneades _by holding the Negative, he has this Advantage, that if

among all the Instances he brings to invalidate all the Vulgar

Doctrine of those he Disputes with, any one be Irrefragable, that

alone is sufficient to overthrow a Doctrine which Universally asserts

what he opposes. For, it cannot be true, that all Bodies whatsoever

that are reckon'd among the Perfectly mixt Ones, are Compounded of

such a Determinate Number of such or such Ingredients, in case any one

such Body can be produc'd, that is not so compounded; and he hopes

too, that Accurateness will be the less expected from him, because his

undertaking obliges him to maintain such Opinions in Chymistry, and

that chiefly by Chymical Arguments, as are Contrary to the very

Principles of the Chymists; From whose writings it is not Therefore

like he should receive any intentionall Assistance, except from some

Passages of the Bold and Ingenious_ Helmont, _with whom he yet

disagrees in many things (which reduce him to explicate Divers

Chymical_ Phaenomena, _according to other Notions;) And of whose

Ratiocinations, not only some seem very Extravagant, but even the Rest

are not wont to be as considerable as his Experiments. And though it

be True indeed, that some_ Aristotelians _have occasionally written

against the Chymical Doctrine he Oppugnes, yet since they have done it

according to their Principles, And since our_ Carneades _must as well

oppose their_ Hypothesis _as that of the Spagyrist, he was fain to

fight his Adversaries with their own Weapons, Those of the

Peripatetick being Improper, if not hurtfull for a Person of his

Tenents; besides that those_ Aristotelians, _(at Least, those he met

with,) that have written against the Chymists, seem to have had so

little Experimental Knowledge in Chymical Matters, that by their

frequent Mistakes and unskilfull Way of Oppugning, they have too often

expos'd Themselves to the Derision of their Adversaries, for writing

so Confidently against what they appear so little to understand._

_And Lastly_, Carneades _hopes, he shall doe the Ingenious this Piece

of service, that by having Thus drawn the Chymists Doctrine out of

their Dark and Smoakie Laboratories, and both brought it into the open

light, and shewn the weakness of their Proofs, that have hitherto

been wont to be brought for it, either Judicious Men shall henceforth

be allowed calmly and after due information to disbelieve it, or those

abler Chymists, that are zealous for the reputation of it, will be

oblig'd to speak plainer then hitherto has been done, and maintain it

by better Experiments and Arguments then Those_ Carneades _hath

examin'd: so That he hopes, the Curious will one Way or other Derive

either satisfaction or instruction from his endeavours. And as he is

ready to make good the profession he makes in the close of his

Discourse, he being ready to be better inform'd, so he expects either

to be indeed inform'd, or to be let alone. For Though if any Truly

knowing Chymists shall Think fit in a civil and rational way to shew

him any truth touching the matter in Dispute That he yet discernes

not,_ Carneades _will not refuse either to admit, or to own a

Conviction: yet if any impertinent Person shall, either to get Himself

a Name, or for what other end soever, wilfully or carelesly mistake

the State of the Controversie, or the sence of his Arguments, or shall

rail instead of arguing, as hath been done of Late in Print by divers

Chymists;_[1] _or lastly, shall write against them in a canting way; I

mean, shall express himself in ambiguous or obscure termes, or argue

from experiments not intelligibly enough Deliver'd_, Carneades

_professes, That he values his time so much, as not to think the

answering such Trifles worth the loss of it._

[Footnote 1: G. and F. and H. and others, in their books against one

another.]

_And now having said thus much for_ Carneades, _I hope the Reader will

give me leave to say something too for my self._

_And first, if some morose Readers shall find fault with my having

made the Interlocutors upon occasion complement with one another, and

that I have almost all along written these Dialogues in a stile more

Fashionable then That of meer scholars is wont to be, I hope I shall

be excus'd by them that shall consider, that to keep a due_ decorum

_in the Discourses, it was fit that in a book written by a Gentleman,

and wherein only Gentlemen are introduc'd as speakers, the Language

should be more smooth, and the Expressions more civil than is usual in

the more Scholastick way of writing. And indeed, I am not sorry to

have this Opportunity of giving an example how to manage even Disputes

with Civility; whence perhaps some Readers will be assisted to discern

a Difference betwixt Bluntness of speech and Strength of reason, and

find that a man may be a Champion for Truth, without being an Enemy to

Civility; and may confute an Opinion without railing at Them that hold

it; To whom he that desires to convince and not to provoke them, must

make some amends by his Civility to their Persons, for his severity

to their mistakes; and must say as little else as he can, to displease

them, when he says that they are in an error._

_But perhaps other Readers will be less apt to find fault with the

Civility of my Disputants, than the Chymists will be, upon the reading

of some Passages of the following Dialogue, to accuse_ Carneades _of

Asperity. But if I have made my Sceptick sometimes speak sleightingly

of the Opinions he opposes, I hope it will not be found that I have

done any more, than became the Part he was to act of an Opponent:

Especially, if what I have made him say be compar'd with what the

Prince of the Romane Orators himself makes both great Persons and

Friends say of one anothers Opinions, in his excellent Dialogues,_ De

Natura Deorum: _And I shall scarce be suspected of Partiality, in the

case, by them that take Notice that there is full as much (if not far

more) liberty of sleighting their Adversaries Tenents to be met with

in the Discourses of those with whom_ Carneades _disputes. Nor needed

I make the Interlocutors speak otherwise then freely in a Dialogue,

wherein it was sufficiently intimated, that I meant not to declare my

own Opinion of the Arguments propos'd, much lesse of the whole

Controversy it self otherwise than as it may by an attentive Reader be

guess'd at by some Passages of_ Carneades: _(I say, some Passages,

because I make not all that he says, especially in the heat of

Disputation, mine,) partly in this Discourse, and partly in some other

Dialogues betwixt the same speakers (though they treat not immediately

of the Elements) which have long layn by me, and expect the

Entertainment that these present Discourses will meet with. And indeed

they will much mistake me, that shall conclude from what I now

publish, that I am at Defyance with Chymistry, or would make my

Readers so. I hope the_ Specimina _I have lately publish'd of an

attempt to shew the usefulness of Chymical Experiments to

Contemplative Philosophers, will give those that shall read them other

thoughts of me: & I had a design (but wanted opportunity) to publish

with these Papers an Essay I have lying by me, the greater part of

which is Apologetical for one sort of Chymists. And at least, as for

those that know me, I hope the pain I have taken in the fire will both

convince them, that I am far from being an Enemy to the Chymists Art,

(though I am no friend to many that disgrace it by professing it,) and

perswade them to believe me when I declare that I distinguish betwixt

those Chymists that are either Cheats, or but Laborants, and the true_

Adepti; _By whom, could I enjoy their Conversation, I would both

willingly and thankfully be instructed; especially concerning the

Nature and Generation of Metals: And possibly, those that know how

little I have remitted of my former addictedness to make Chymical

Experiments, will easily believe, that one of the chief Designes of

this Sceptical Discourse was, not so much to discredit Chymistry, as

to give an occasion and a kind of necessity to the more knowing

Artists to lay aside a little of their over-great Reservedness, &

either explicate or prove the Chymical Theory better than ordinary

Chymists have done, or by enriching us with some of their nobler

secrets to evince that Their art is able to make amends even for the

deficiencies of their Theory: And thus much I shall here make bold to

add, that we shall much undervalue Chymistry, if we imagine, that it

cannot teach us things farr more useful, not only to Physick but to

Philosophy, than those that are hitherto known to vulgar Chymists. And

yet as for inferiour Spagyrists themselves, they have by their labours

deserv'd so well of the Common-wealth of Learning, that methinks 'tis

Pity they should ever misse the Truth which they have so industriously

sought. And though I be no Admirer of the Theorical Part of their Art,

yet my conjectures will much deceive me, if the Practical Part be not

much more cultivated than hitherto it has been, and do not both employ

Philosophy and Philosophers, and help to make men such. Nor would I

that have been diverted by other Studies as well as affairs, be

thought to pretend being a profound Spagyrist, by finding so many

faults in the Doctrine wherein the Generality of Chymists scruples not

to Acquiesce: For besides that 'tis most commonly far easier to frame

Objections against any propos'd_ Hypothesis, _than to propose an_

Hypothesis _not lyable to Objections (besides this I say) 'tis no such

great matter, if whereas Beginners in Chymistry are commonly at once

imbu'd with the Theory and Operations of their profession, I who had

the good Fortune to Learn the Operations from illiterate Persons,

upon whose credit I was not Tempted to take up any opinion about them,

should consider things with lesse prejudice, and consequently with

other Eyes than the Generality of Learners; And should be more

dispos'd to accommodate the_ Phaenomena _that occur'd to me to other

Notions than to those of the Spagyrists. And having at first

entertain'd a suspition That the Vulgar Principles were lesse General

and comprehensive, or lesse considerately Deduc'd from Chymical

Operations, than was believ'd; it was not uneasie for me both to Take

notice of divers_ Phaenomena, _overlook'd by prepossest Persons, that

seem'd not to suite so well with the_ Hermetical _Doctrine; and, to

devise some Experiments likely to furnish me with Objections against

it, not known to many, that having practis'd Chymistry longer

perchance then I have yet liv'd, may have far more Experience, Than I,

of particular processes._

_To conclude, whether the Notions I have propos'd, and the Experiments

I have communicated, be considerable, or not, I willingly leave others

to Judge; and This only I shall say for my Self, That I have

endeavour'd to deliver matters of Fact, so faithfully, that I may as

well assist the lesse skilful Readers to examine the Chymical_

Hypothesis, _as provoke the Spagyrical Philosophers to illustrate it:

which if they do, and that either the Chymical opinion, or the

Peripatetick, or any other Theory of the Elements differing from that

I am most inclin'd to, shall be intelligibly explicated, and duly

prov'd to me; what I have hitherto discours'd will not hinder it from

making a Proselyte of a Person that Loves Fluctuation of Judgment

little enough to be willing to be eas'd of it by any thing but

Error._

PHYSIOLOGICAL

CONSIDERATIONS

Touching

_The experiments wont to be employed to evince either the IV

Peripatetick Elements, or the III Chymical Principles of Mixt Bodies._

Part of the First Dialogue.

I Perceive that divers of my Friends have thought it very strange to

hear me speak so irresolvedly, as I have been wont to do, concerning

those things which some take to be the Elements, and others to be the

Principles of all mixt Bodies. But I blush not to acknowledge that I

much lesse scruple to confess that I Doubt, when I do so, then to

profess that I Know what I do not: And I should have much stronger

Expectations then I dare yet entertain, to see Philosophy solidly

establish't, if men would more carefully distinguish those things that

they know, from those that they ignore or do but think, and then

explicate clearly the things they conceive they understand,

acknowledge ingenuously what it is they ignore, and profess so

candidly their Doubts, that the industry of intelligent persons might

be set on work to make further enquiries, and the easiness of less

discerning Men might not be impos'd on. But because a more particular

accompt will probably be expected of my unsatisfyedness not only with

the Peripatetick, but with the Chymical Doctrine of the Primitive

Ingredients of Bodies: It may possibly serve to satisfy others of the

excusableness of my disatisfaction to peruse the ensuing Relation of

what passed a while since at a meeting of persons of several opinions,

in a place that need not here be named; where the subject whereof we

have been speaking, was amply and variously discours'd of.

It was on one of the fairest dayes of this Summer that the inquisitive

_Eleutherius_ came to invite me to make a visit with him to his friend

_Carneades_. I readily consented to this motion, telling him that if

he would but permit me to go first and make an excuse at a place not

far off, where I had at that hour appointed to meet, but not about a

business either of moment, or that could not well admit of a delay, I

would presently wait on him, because of my knowing _Carneades_ to be

so conversant with nature and with Furnaces, and so unconfin'd to

vulgar Opinions, that he would probably by some ingenious Paradox or

other, give our mindes at least a pleasing Exercise, and perhaps

enrich them with some solid instruction. _Eleutherius_ then first

going with me to the place where my Apology was to be made, I

accompanied him to the lodging of _Carneades_, where when we were

come, we were told by the Servants, that he was retired with a couple

of Friends (whose names they also told us) to one of the Arbours in

his Garden, to enjoy under its coole shades a delightful protection

from the yet troublesome heat of the Sun.

_Eleutherius_ being perfectly acquainted with that Garden immediately

led me to the Arbour, and relying on the intimate familiarity that had

been long cherish'd betwixt him and _Carneades_; in spight of my

Reluctancy to what might look like an intrusion upon his privacy,

drawing me by the hand, he abruptly entered the Arbour, where we found

_Carneades_, _Philoponus_, and _Themistius_, sitting close about a

little round Table, on which besides paper, pen, and inke, there lay

two or three open Books; _Carneades_ appeared not at all troubled at

this surprise, but rising from the Table, received his Friend with

open looks and armes, and welcoming me also with his wonted freedom

and civility, invited us to rest our selves by him, which, as soon as

we had exchanged with his two Friends (who were ours also) the

civilities accustomed on such occasions, we did. And he presently

after we had seated our selves, shutting the Books that lay open, and

turning to us with a smiling countenance seemed ready to begin some

such unconcerning discourse as is wont to pass or rather waste the

time in promiscuous companies.

But _Eleutherius_ guessing at what he meant to do, prevented him by

telling him, I perceive _Carneades_ by the books that you have been

now shutting, and much more by the posture wherein I found Persons

qualifi'd [Errata: so qualify'd] to discourse of serious matters; and

so accustom'd to do it, that you three were before our coming, engag'd

in some Philosophical conference, which I hope you will either

prosecute, and allow us to be partakers of, in recompence of the

freedome we have us'd in presuming to surprise you, or else give us

leave to repair the injury we should otherwise do you, by leaving you

to the freedom we have interrupted, and punishing our selves for our

boldness by depriving our selves of the happiness of your company.

With these last words he and I rose up, as if we meant to be gone, But

_Carneades_ suddenly laying hold on his arme, and stopping him by it,

smileingly told him, We are not so forward to lose good company as you

seem to imagine; especially since you are pleas'd to desire to be

present at what we shall say, about such a Subject as that You found

us considering. For that, being the number of the Elements,

Principles, or Materiall Ingredients of Bodies, is an enquiry whose

truth is of that Importance, and of that Difficulty, that it may as

well deserve as require to be searched into by such skilfull

Indagators of Nature as your selves. And therefore we sent to invite

the bold and acute _Leucippus_ to lend us some light by his Atomical

Paradox, upon which we expected such pregnant hints, that 'twas not

without a great deal of trouble that we had lately word brought us

that he was not to be found; and we had likewise begg'd the Assistance

of your presence and thoughts, had not the messenger we employ'd to

_Leucippus_ inform'd us, that as he was going, he saw you both pass by

towards another part of the Town; And this frustrated expectation of

_Leucippus_ his company, who told me but last night that he would be

ready to give me a meeting where I pleas'd to day, having very long

suspended our conference about the freshly mention'd Subject, it was

so newly begun when you came in, that we shall scarce need to repeat

any thing to acquaint you with what has pass'd betwixt us before your

arrival, so that I cannot but look upon it as a fortunate Accident

that you should come so seasonably, to be not hearers alone, but we

hope Interlocutors at our conference. For we shall not only allow of

your presence at it, but desire your Assistance in it; which I adde

both for other reasons, and because though these learned Gentlemen

(sayes he, turning to his two friends) need not fear to discourse

before any Auditory, provided it be intelligent enough to understand

them, yet for my part (continues he with a new smile,) I shall not

dare to vent my unpremeditated thoughts before two such Criticks,

unless by promising to take your turnes of speaking, You will allow me

mine of quarrelling, with what has been said. He and his friends added

divers things to convince us that they were both desirous that we

should hear them, and resolved against our doing so, unless we allowed

them sometimes to hear us. _Elutherius_ [Transcriber's Note:

Eleutherius] after having a while fruitlesly endeavoured to obtain

leave to be silent promis'd he would not be so alwayes, provided that

he were permitted according to the freedom of his Genious and

Principles to side with one of them in the managing of one Argument,

and, if he saw cause, with his Antagonist, in the Prosecution of

another, without being confin'd to stick to any one party or Opinion,

which was after some debate accorded him. But I conscious to my own

Disability's told them resolutely that _I_ was as much more willing as

more fit to be a hearer then a speaker, among such knowing Persons,

and on so abstruse a Subject. And that therefore I beseeched them

without necessitating me to proclaim my weaknesses, to allow me to

lessen them by being a silent Auditor of their Discourses: to suffer

me to be at which I could present them no motive, save that their

instructions would make them in me a more intelligent Admirer. I

added, that I desir'd not to be idle whilst they were imploy'd, but

would if they pleas'd, by writing down in short hand what should be

delivered, preserve Discourses that I knew would merit to be lasting.

At first _Carneades_ and his two friends utterly rejected this motion;

and all that my Resoluteness to make use of my ears, not tongue, at

their debates, could do, was to make them acquiesce in the Proposition

of _Eleutherius_, who thinking himself concern'd, because he brought

me thither, to afford me some faint assistance, was content that I

should register their Arguments, that I might be the better able after

the conclusion of their conference to give them my sence upon the

Subject of it, (The number of Elements or Principles:) which he

promis'd I should do at the end of the present Debates, if time would

permit, or else at our next meeting. And this being by him undertaken

in my name, though without my consent, the company would by no means

receive my Protestation against it, but casting, all at once, their

eyes on _Carneades_, they did by that and their unanimous silence,

invite him to begin; which (after a short pause, during which he

turn'd himself to _Eleutherius_ and me) he did in this manner.

Notwithstanding the subtile reasonings I have met with in the books of

the Peripateticks, and the pretty experiments that have been shew'd me

in the Laboratories of Chymists, I am of so diffident, or dull a

Nature, as to think that if neither of them can bring more cogent

arguments to evince the truth of their assertion then are wont to be

brought; a Man may rationally enough retain some doubts concerning the

very number of those materiall Ingredients of mixt bodies, which some

would have us call Elements, and others principles. Indeed when I

considered that the Tenents concerning the Elements are as

considerable amongst the Doctrines of natural Philosophy as the

Elements themselves are among the bodies of the Universe, I expected

to find those Opinions solidly establish'd, upon which so many others

are superstructed. But when I took the pains impartially to examine

the bodies themselves that are said to result from the blended

Elements, and to torture them into a confession of their constituent

Principles, I was quickly induc'd to think that the number of the

Elements has been contended about by Philosophers with more

earnestness then success. This unsatisfiedness of mine has been much

wonder'd at, by these two Gentlemen (at which words he pointed at

_Themistius_ and _Philoponus_) who though they differ almost as much

betwixt themselves about the question we are to consider, as I do from

either of them, yet they both agree very well in this, that there is a

determinate number of such ingredients as I was just now speaking of,

and that what that number is, I say not, may be, (for what may not

such as they perswade?) but is wont to be clearly enough demonstrated

both by Reason and Experience. This has occasion'd our present

Conference. For our Discourse this afternoon, having fallen from one

subject to another, and at length setl'd on this, they proffer'd to

demonstrate to me, each of them the truth of his opinion, out of both

the Topicks that I have freshly nam'd. But on the former (that of

Reason strictly so taken) we declin'd insisting at the present, lest

we should not have time enough before supper to go thorough the

Reasons and Experiments too. The latter of which we unanimously

thought the most requisite to be seriously examin'd. I must desire you

then to take notice Gentlemen (continued _Carneades_) that my present

business doth not oblige me so to declare my own opinion on the

Subject in question, as to assert or deny the truth either of the

Peripatetick, or the Chymical Doctrine concerning the number of the

Elements, but only to shew you that neither of these Doctrines hath

been satisfactorily proved by the arguments commonly alledged on its

behalfe. So that if I really discern (as perhaps I think I do) that

there may be a more rational account then ordinary, given of one of

these opinions, I am left free to declare my self of it,

notwithstanding my present engagement, it being obvious to all your

observation, that a solid truth may be generally maintained by no

other, then incompetent Arguments. And to this Declaration I hope it

will be needless to add, that my task obliges me not to answer the

Arguments that may be drawn either for _Themistius_ or _Philoponus's_

Opinion from the Topick of reason, as opposed to experiments; since

'tis these only that I am to examine and not all these neither, but

such of them alone as either of them shall think fit to insist on, and

as have hitherto been wont to be brought either to prove that 'tis

the four Peripatetick Elements, or that 'tis the three Chymical

Principles that all compounded bodies consist of. These things (adds

_Carneades_) I thought my self obliged to premise, partly lest you

should do these Gentlemen (pointing at _Themistius_ and _Philoponus_,

and smiling on them) the injury of measuring their parts by the

arguments they are ready to propose, the lawes of our Conference

confining them to make use of those that the vulgar of Philosophers

(for even of them there is a vulgar) has drawn up to their hands; and

partly, that you should not condemn me of presumption for disputing

against persons over whom I can hope for no advantage, that _I_ must

not derive from the nature, or rules of our controversy, wherein I

have but a negative to defend, and wherein too I am like on several

occasions to have the Assistance of one of my disagreeing adversaries

against the other.

_Philoponus_ and _Themistius_ soon returned this complement with

civilities of the like nature, in which _Eleutherius_ perceiving them

engaged, to prevent the further loss of that time of which they were

not like to have very much to spare, he minded them that their

present businesse was not to exchange complements, but Arguments: and

then addressing his speech to _Carneades_, I esteem it no small

happinesse (saies he) that I am come here so luckily this Evening. For

I have been long disquieted with Doubts concerning this very subject

which you are now ready to debate. And since a Question of this

importance is to be now discussed by persons that maintain such

variety of opinions concerning it, and are both so able to enquire

after truth, and so ready to embrace it by whomsoever and on what

occasion soever it is presented them; I cannot but promise my self

that I shall before we part either lose my Doubts or the hopes of ever

finding them resolved; _Eleutherius_ paused not here; but to prevent

their answer, added almost in the same breath; and I am not a little

pleased to find that you are resolved on this occasion to insist

rather on Experiments then Syllogismes. For I, and no doubt You, have

long observed, that those Dialectical subtleties, that the Schoolmen

too often employ about Physiological Mysteries, are wont much more to

declare the wit of him that uses them, then increase the knowledge or

remove the doubts of sober lovers of truth. And such captious

subtleties do indeed often puzzle and sometimes silence men, but

rarely satisfy them. Being like the tricks of Jugglers, whereby men

doubt not but they are cheated, though oftentimes they cannot declare

by what slights they are imposed on. And therefore I think you have

done very wisely to make it your businesse to consider the _Phaenomena_

relating to the present Question, which have been afforded by

experiments, especially since it might seem injurious to our senses,

by whose mediation we acquire so much of the knowledge we have of

things corporal, to have recourse to far-fetched and abstracted

Ratiocination [Errata: Ratiocinations], to know what are the sensible

ingredients of those sensible things that we daily see and handle, and

are supposed to have the liberty to untwist (if I may so speak) into

the primitive bodies they consist of. He annexed that he wished

therefore they would no longer delay his expected satisfaction, if

they had not, as he feared they had, forgotten something preparatory

to their debate; and that was to lay down what should be all along

understood by the word Principle or Element. _Carneades_ thank'd him

for his admonition, but told him that they had not been unmindful of

so requisite a thing. But that being Gentlemen and very far from the

litigious humour of loving to wrangle about words or terms or notions

as empty; they had before his coming in, readily agreed promiscuously

to use when they pleased, Elements and Principles as terms equivalent:

and to understand both by the one and the other, those primitive and

simple Bodies of which the mixt ones are said to be composed, and into

which they are ultimately resolved. And upon the same account (he

added) we agreed to discourse of the opinions to be debated, as we

have found them maintained by the Generality of the assertors of the

four Elements of the one party, and of those that receive the three

Principles on the other, without tying our selves to enquire

scrupulously what notion either _Aristotle_ or _Paracelsus_, or this

or that Interpreter, or follower of either of those great persons,

framed of Elements or Principles; our design being to examine, not

what these or those writers thought or taught, but what we find to be

the obvious and most general opinion of those, who are willing to be

accounted Favourers of the Peripatetick or Chymical Doctrine,

concerning this subject.

I see not (saies _Eleutherius_) why you might not immediately begin to

argue, if you were but agreed which of your two friendly Adversaries

shall be first heard. And it being quickly resolv'd on that

_Themistius_ should first propose the Proofs for his Opinion, because

it was the antienter, and the more general, he made not the company

expect long before he thus addressed himself to _Eleutherius_, as to

the Person least interessed in the dispute.

The Sceptical Chymist or Chymico-Physical Doubts & Paradoxes, Touching the Spagyrist's Principles Commonly call'd Hypostatical; As they are wont to be Propos'd and Defended by the Generality of Alchymists. Whereunto is præmis'd Part of another Discourse relating to the same Subject. · 第 1 / 20 段