REPLY TO MR. CALHOUN.

SPEECH DELIVERED IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, ON THE 22D OF

MARCH, 1838, IN ANSWER TO MR. CALHOUN.

[On Thursday, the 22d of March, Mr. Calhoun spoke at length in answer to

Mr. Webster's speech of the 12th of March.

When he had concluded, Mr. Webster immediately rose, and addressed the

Senate as follows.]

Mr. President,--I came rather late to the Senate this morning, and,

happening to meet a friend on the Avenue, I was admonished to hasten my

steps, as "the war was to be carried into Africa," and I was expected to

be annihilated. I lost no time in following the advice, Sir, since it

would be awkward for one to be annihilated without knowing any thing

about it.

Well, Sir, the war has been carried into Africa. The honorable member

has made an expedition into regions as remote from the subject of this

debate as the orb of Jupiter from that of our earth. He has spoken of

the tariff, of slavery, and of the late war. Of all this I do not

complain. On the contrary, if it be his pleasure to allude to all or any

of these topics, for any purpose whatever, I am ready at all times to

hear him.

Sir, this carrying the war into Africa, which has become so common a

phrase among us, is, indeed, imitating a great example; but it is an

example which is not always followed with success. In the first place,

every man, though he be a man of talent and genius, is not a Scipio; and

in the next place, as I recollect this part of Roman and Carthaginian

history,--the gentleman may be more accurate, but, as I recollect it,

when Scipio resolved upon carrying the war into Africa, Hannibal was not

at home. Now, Sir, I am very little like Hannibal, but I am at home; and

when Scipio Africanus South-Caroliniensis brings the war into my

territories, I shall not leave their defence to Asdrubal, nor Syphax,

nor anybody else. I meet him on the shore, at his landing, and propose

but one contest.

"Concurritur; horae

Momento cita mors venit, aut victoria laeta."

Mr. President, I had made up my mind that, if the honorable gentleman

should confine himself to a reply in the ordinary way, I would not say

another syllable. But he has not done so. He has gone off into topics

quite remote from all connection with revenue, commerce, finance, or

sub-treasuries, and invites to a discussion which, however uninteresting

to the public at the present moment, is too personal to be declined by

me.

He says, Sir, that I undertook to compare my political character and

conduct with his. Far from it. I attempted no such thing. I compared the

gentleman's political opinions at different times with one another, and

expressed decided opposition to those which he now holds. And I did,

certainly, advert to the general tone and drift of the gentleman's

sentiments and expressions for some years past, in their bearing on the

Union, with such remarks as I thought they deserved; but I instituted no

comparison between him and myself. He may institute one if he pleases,

and when he pleases. Seeking nothing of this kind, I avoid nothing. Let

it be remembered, that the gentleman began the debate, by attempting to

exhibit a contrast between the present opinions and conduct of my

friends and myself, and our recent opinions and conduct. Here is the

first charge of inconsistency; let the public judge whether he has made

it good. He says, Sir, that on several questions I have taken different

sides, at different times; let him show it. If he shows any change of

opinion, I shall be called on to give a reason, and to account for it. I

leave it to the country to say whether, as yet, he has shown any such

thing.

But, Sir, before attempting that, he has something else to say. He had

prepared, it seems, to draw comparisons himself. He had intended to say

something, if time had allowed, upon our respective opinions and conduct

in regard to the war. If time had allowed! Sir, time does allow, time

must allow. A general remark of that kind ought not to be, cannot be,

left to produce its effect, when that effect is obviously intended to be

unfavorable. Why did the gentleman allude to my votes or my opinions

respecting the war at all, unless he had something to say? Does he wish

to leave an undefined impression that something was done, or something

said, by me, not now capable of defence or justification? something not

reconcilable with true patriotism? He means that, or nothing. And now,

Sir, let him bring the matter forth; let him take the responsibility of

the accusation; let him state his facts. I am here to answer; I am here,

this day, to answer. Now is the time, and now the hour. I think we read,

Sir, that one of the good spirits would not bring against the Arch-enemy

of mankind a railing accusation; and what is railing but general

reproach, an imputation without fact, time, or circumstance? Sir, I call

for particulars. The gentleman knows my whole conduct well; indeed, the

journals show it all, from the moment I came into Congress till the

peace. If I have done, then, Sir, any thing unpatriotic, any thing

which, as far as love to country goes, will not bear comparison with his

or any man's conduct, let it now be stated. Give me the fact, the time,

the manner. He speaks of the war; that which we call the late war,

though it is now twenty-five years since it terminated. He would leave

an impression that I opposed it. How? I was not in Congress when war was

declared, nor in public life anywhere. I was pursuing my profession,

keeping company with judges and jurors, and plaintiffs and defendants.

If I had been in Congress, and had enjoyed the benefit of hearing the

honorable gentleman's speeches, for aught I can say, I might have

concurred with him. But I was not in public life. I never had been, for

a single hour; and was in no situation, therefore, to oppose or to

support the declaration of war. I am speaking to the fact, Sir; and if

the gentleman has any fact, let us know it. Well, Sir, I came into

Congress during the war. I found it waged, and raging. And what did I do

here to oppose it? Look to the journals. Let the honorable gentleman tax

his memory. Bring up any thing, if there be any thing to bring up, not

showing error of opinion, but showing want of loyalty or fidelity to the

country. I did not agree to all that was proposed, nor did the honorable

member. I did not approve of every measure, nor did he. The war had been

preceded by the restrictive system and the embargo. As a private

individual, I certainly did not think well of these measures. It

appeared to me that the embargo annoyed ourselves as much as our

enemies, while it destroyed the business and cramped the spirits of the

people. In this opinion I may have been right or wrong, but the

gentleman was himself of the same opinion. He told us the other day, as

a proof of his independence of party on great questions, that he

differed with his friends on the subject of the embargo. He was

decidedly and unalterably opposed to it. It furnishes in his judgment,

therefore, no imputation either on my patriotism, or on the soundness of

my political opinions, that I was opposed to it also. I mean opposed in

opinion; for I was not in Congress, and had nothing to do with the act

creating the embargo. And as to opposition to measures for carrying on

the war, after I came into Congress, I again say, let the gentleman

specify; let him lay his finger on any thing calling for an answer, and

he shall have an answer.

Mr. President, you were yourself in the House during a considerable part

of this time. The honorable gentleman may make a witness of you. He may

make a witness of anybody else. He may be his own witness. Give us but

some fact, some charge, something capable in itself either of being

proved or disproved. Prove any thing, state any thing, not consistent

with honorable and patriotic conduct, and I am ready to answer it. Sir,

I am glad this subject has been alluded to in a manner which justifies

me in taking public notice of it; because I am well aware that, for ten

years past, infinite pains has been taken to find something, in the

range of these topics, which might create prejudice against me in the

country. The journals have all been pored over, and the reports

ransacked, and scraps of paragraphs and half-sentences have been

collected, fraudulently put together, and then made to flare out as if

there had been some discovery. But all this failed. The next resort was

to supposed correspondence. My letters were sought for, to learn if, in

the confidence of private friendship, I had ever said any thing which an

enemy could make use of. With this view, the vicinity of my former

residence has been searched, as with a lighted candle. New Hampshire has

been explored, from the mouth of the Merrimack to the White Hills. In

one instance a gentleman had left the State, gone five hundred miles

off, and died. His papers were examined; a letter was found, and I have

understood it was brought to Washington; a conclave was held to consider

it, and the result was, that, if there was nothing else against Mr.

Webster, the matter had better be let alone. Sir, I hope to make

everybody of that opinion who brings against me a charge of want of

patriotism. Errors of opinion can be found, doubtless, on many subjects;

but as conduct flows from the feelings which animate the heart, I know

that no act of my life has had its origin in the want of ardent love of

country.

Sir, when I came to Congress, I found the honorable gentleman a leading

member of the House of Representatives. Well, Sir, in what did we

differ? One of the first measures of magnitude, after I came here, was

Mr. Dallas's[1] proposition for a bank. It was a war measure. It was

urged as being absolutely necessary to enable government to carry on the

war. Government wanted revenue; such a bank, it was hoped, would furnish

it; and on that account it was most warmly pressed and urged on

Congress. You remember all this, Mr. President. You remember how much

some persons supposed the success of the war and the salvation of the

country depended on carrying that measure. Yet the honorable member from

South Carolina opposed this bill. He now takes to himself a good deal of

merit, none too much, but still a good deal of merit, for having

defeated it. Well, Sir, I agreed with him. It was a mere paper bank; a

machine for fabricating irredeemable paper. It was a new form for paper

money; and instead of benefiting the country, I thought it would plunge

it deeper and deeper in difficulty. I made a speech on the subject; it

has often been quoted. There it is; let whoever pleases read and examine

it. I am not proud of it for any ability it exhibits; on the other hand,

I am not ashamed of it for the spirit which it manifests. But, Sir, I

say again that the gentleman himself took the lead against this measure,

this darling measure of the administration. I followed him; if I was

seduced into error, or into unjustifiable opposition, there sits my

seducer.

What, Sir, were other leading sentiments or leading measures of that

day? On what other subjects did men differ? The gentleman has adverted

to one, and that a most important one; I mean the navy. He says, and

says truly, that at the commencement of the war the navy was unpopular.

It was unpopular with his friends, who then controlled the politics of

the country. But he says he differed with his friends; in this respect

he resisted party influence and party connection, and was the friend and

advocate of the navy. Sir, I commend him for it. He showed his wisdom.

That gallant little navy soon fought itself into favor, and showed that

no man who had placed reliance on it had been disappointed.

Well, Sir, in all this I was exactly of the opinion of the honorable

gentleman.

Sir, I do not know when my opinion of the importance of a naval force to

the United States had its origin. I can give no date to my present

sentiments on this subject, because I never entertained different

sentiments. I remember, Sir, that immediately after coming into my

profession, at a period when the navy was most unpopular, when it was

called by all sorts of hard names and designated by many coarse

epithets, on one of those occasions on which young men address their

neighbors, I ventured to put forth a boy's hand in defence of the navy.

I insisted on its importance, its adaptation to our circumstances and to

our national character, and its indispensable necessity, if we intended

to maintain and extend our commerce. These opinions and sentiments I

brought into Congress; and the first time in which I presumed to speak

on the topics of the day, I attempted to urge on the House a greater

attention to the naval service. There were divers modes of prosecuting

the war. On these modes, or on the degree of attention and expense which

should be bestowed on each, different men held different opinions. I

confess I looked with most hope to the results of naval warfare, and

therefore I invoked government to invigorate and strengthen that arm of

the national defence. I invoked it to seek its enemy upon the seas, to

go where every auspicious indication pointed, and where the whole heart

and soul of the country would go with it.

Sir, we were at war with the greatest maritime power on earth. England

had gained an ascendency on the seas over all the combined powers of

Europe. She had been at war twenty years. She had tried her fortunes on

the Continent, but generally with no success. At one time the whole

Continent had been closed against her. A long line of armed exterior, an

unbroken hostile array, frowned upon her from the Gulf of Archangel,

round the promontory of Spain and Portugal, to the extreme point of

Italy. There was not a port which an English ship could enter.

Everywhere on the land the genius of her great enemy had triumphed. He

had defeated armies, crushed coalitions, and overturned thrones; but,

like the fabled giant, he was unconquerable only while he touched the

land. On the ocean he was powerless. That field of fame was his

adversary's, and her meteor flag was streaming in triumph over its whole

extent.

To her maritime ascendency England owed every thing, and we were now at

war with her. One of the most charming of her poets had said of her,--

"Her march is o'er the mountain waves,

Her home is on the deep."

Now, Sir, since we were at war with her, I was for intercepting this

march; I was for calling upon her, and paying our respects to her, at

home; I was for giving her to know that we, too, had a right of way over

the seas, and that our marine officers and our sailors were not entire

strangers on the bosom of the deep. I was for doing something more with

our navy than keeping it on our own shores, for the protection of our

coasts and harbors; I was for giving play to its gallant and burning

spirit; for allowing it to go forth upon the seas, and to encounter, on

an open and an equal field, whatever the proudest or the bravest of the

enemy could bring against it. I knew the character of its officers and

the spirit of its seamen; and I knew that, in their hands, though the

flag of the country might go down to the bottom, yet, while defended by

them, that it could never be dishonored or disgraced.

Since she was our enemy, and a most powerful enemy, I was for touching

her, if we could, in the very apple of her eye; for reaching the highest

feather in her cap; for clutching at the very brightest jewel in her

crown. There seemed to me to be a peculiar propriety in all this, as the

war was undertaken for the redress of maritime injuries alone. It was a

war declared for free trade and sailors' rights. The ocean, therefore,

was the proper theatre for deciding this controversy with our enemy, and

on that theatre it was my ardent wish that our own power should be

concentrated to the utmost.

So much, Sir, for the war, and for my conduct and opinions as connected

with it. And, as I do not mean to recur to this subject often, nor ever,

unless indispensably necessary, I repeat the demand for any charge, any

accusation, any allegation whatever, that throws me behind the honorable

gentleman, or behind any other man, in honor, in fidelity, in devoted

love to that country in which I was born, which has honored me, and

which I serve. I, who seldom deal in defiance, now, here, in my place,

boldly defy the honorable member to put his insinuation in the form of a

charge, and to support that charge by any proof whatever.

The gentleman has adverted to the subject of slavery. On this subject,

he says, I have not proved myself a friend to the South. Why, Sir, the

only proof is, that I did not vote for his resolutions.

Sir, this is a very grave matter; it is a subject very exciting and

inflammable. I take, of course, all the responsibility belonging to my

opinions; but I desire these opinions to be understood, and fairly

stated. If I am to be regarded as an enemy to the South, because I could

not support the gentleman's resolutions, be it so. I cannot purchase

favor from any quarter, by the sacrifice of clear and conscientious

convictions. The principal resolution declared that Congress had

plighted its faith not to interfere either with slavery or the slave

trade in the District of Columbia.

Now, Sir, this is quite a new idea. I never heard it advanced until this

session. I have heard gentlemen contend that no such power was in the

Constitution; but the notion, that, though the Constitution contained

the power, yet Congress had plighted its faith not to exercise such a

power, is an entire novelty, so far as I know. I must say, Sir, it

appeared to me little else than an attempt to put a prohibition into the

Constitution, because there was none there already. For this supposed

plighting of the public faith, or the faith of Congress, I saw no

ground, either in the history of the government, or in any one fact, or

in any argument. I therefore could not vote for the proposition.

Sir, it is now several years since I took care to make my opinion known,

that this government has, constitutionally, nothing to do with slavery,

as it exists in the States. That opinion is entirely unchanged. I stand

steadily by the resolution of the House of Representatives, adopted,

after much consideration, at the commencement of the government, which

was, that Congress has no authority to interfere in the emancipation of

slaves, or in the treatment of them, within any of the States; it

remaining with the several States alone to provide any regulations

therein, which humanity and true policy may require. This, in my

opinion, is the Constitution and the law. I feel bound by it. I have

quoted the resolution often. It expresses the judgment of men of all

parts of the country, deliberately and coolly formed; and it expresses

my judgment, and I shall adhere to it. But this has nothing to do with

the other constitutional question; that is to say, the mere

constitutional question whether Congress has the power to regulate

slavery and the slave trade in the District of Columbia.

On such a question, Sir, when I am asked what the Constitution is, or

whether any power granted by it has been compromised away, or, indeed,

could be compromised away, I must express my honest opinion, and always

shall express it, if I say any thing, notwithstanding it may not meet

concurrence either in the South, or the North, or the East, or the West.

I cannot express by my vote what I do not believe. The gentleman has

chosen to bring that subject into this debate, with which it has no

concern; but he may make the most of it, if he thinks he can produce

unfavorable impressions against me at the South from my negative to his

fifth resolution. As to the rest of them, they were commonplaces,

generally, or abstractions; in regard to which, one may well feel

himself not called on to vote at all.

And now, Sir, in regard to the tariff. That is a long chapter, but I am

quite ready to go over it with the honorable member.

He charges me with inconsistency. That may depend on deciding what

inconsistency is, in respect to such subjects, and how it is to be

proved. I will state the facts, for I have them in my mind somewhat more

fully than the honorable member has himself presented them. Let us begin

at the beginning. In 1816 I voted against the tariff law which then

passed. In 1824 I again voted against the tariff law which was then

proposed, and which passed. A majority of New England votes, in 1824,

were against the tariff system. The bill received but one vote from

Massachusetts; but it passed. The policy was established. New England

acquiesced in it; conformed her business and pursuits to it; embarked

her capital, and employed her labor, in manufactures; and I certainly

admit that, from that time, I have felt bound to support interests thus

called into being, and into importance, by the settled policy of the

government. I have stated this often here, and often elsewhere. The

ground is defensible, and I maintain it.

As to the resolutions adopted in Boston in 1820, and which resolutions

he has caused to be read, and which he says he presumes I prepared, I

have no recollection of having drawn the resolutions, and do not believe

I did. But I was at the meeting, and addressed the meeting, and what I

said on that occasion was produced here, and read in the Senate, years

ago.

The resolutions, Sir, were opposed to the commencing of a high tariff

policy. I was opposed to it, and spoke against it; the city of Boston

was opposed to it; the Commonwealth of Massachusetts was opposed to it.

Remember, Sir, that this was in 1820. This opposition continued till

1824. The votes all show this. But in 1824 the question was decided; the

government entered upon the policy; it invited men to embark their

property and their means of living in it. Individuals thus encouraged

have done this to a great extent; and therefore I say, so long as the

manufactures shall need reasonable and just protection from government,

I shall be disposed to give it to them. What is there, Sir, in all this,

for the gentleman to complain of? Would he have us always oppose the

policy adopted by the country on a great question? Would he have

minorities never submit to the will of majorities?

I remember to have said, Sir, at the meeting in Faneuil Hall, that

protection appeared to be regarded as incidental to revenue, and that

the incident could not be carried fairly above the principal; in other

words, that duties ought not to be laid for the mere object of

protection. I believe that proposition to be substantially correct. I

believe that, if the power of protection be inferred only from the

revenue power, the protection could only be incidental.

But I have said in this place before, and I repeat it now, that Mr.

Madison's publication after that period, and his declaration that the

Convention did intend to grant the power of protection under the

commercial clause, placed the subject in a new and a clear light. I will

add, Sir, that a paper drawn up apparently with the sanction of Dr.

Franklin, and read to a circle of friends at his house, on the eve of

the assembling of the Convention, respecting the powers which the

proposed new government ought to possess, shows plainly that, in

regulating commerce, it was expected that Congress would adopt a course

which should protect the manufactures of the North. He certainly went

into the Convention himself under that conviction.

Well, Sir, and now what does the gentleman make out against me in

relation to the tariff? What laurels does he gather in this part of

Africa? I opposed the _policy_ of the tariff, until it had become the

settled and established policy of the country. I have never questioned

the constitutional power of Congress to grant protection, except so far

as the remark made in Faneuil Hall goes, which remark respects only the

length to which protection might properly be carried, so far as the

power is derived from the authority to lay duties on imports. But the

policy being established, and a great part of the country having placed

vast interests at stake in it, I have not disturbed it; on the contrary,

I have insisted that it ought not to be disturbed. If there be

inconsistency in all this, the gentleman is at liberty to blazon it

forth; let him see what he can make of it.

Here, Sir, I cease to speak of myself; and respectfully ask pardon of

the Senate for having so long detained it upon any thing so unimportant

as what relates merely to my own public conduct and opinions.

Sir, the honorable member is pleased to suppose that our spleen is

excited, because he has interfered to snatch from us a victory over the

administration. If he means by this any personal disappointment, I shall

not think it worth while to make a remark upon it. If he means a

disappointment at his quitting us while we were endeavoring to arrest

the present policy of the administration, why then I admit, Sir, that I,

for one, felt that disappointment deeply. It is the policy of the

administration, its principles, and its measures, which I oppose. It is

not persons, but things; not men, but measures. I do wish most fervently

to put an end to this anti-commercial policy; and if the overthrow of

the policy shall be followed by the political defeat of its authors,

why, Sir, it is a result which I shall endeavor to meet with equanimity.

Sir, as to the honorable member's wresting the victory from us, or as to

his ability to sustain the administration in this policy, there may be

some doubt about that. I trust the citadel will yet be stormed, and

carried, by the force of public opinion, and that no Hector will be able

to defend its walls.

But now, Sir, I must advert to a declaration of the honorable member,

which, I confess, did surprise me. The honorable member says, that,

personally, he and myself have been on friendly terms, but that we

always differed on great constitutional questions. Sir, this is

astounding. And yet I was partly prepared for it; for I sat here the

other day, and held my breath, while the honorable gentleman declared,

and repeated, that he had always belonged to the State-rights party. And

he means, by what he has declared to-day, that he has always given to

the Constitution a construction more limited, better guarded, less

favorable to the extension of the powers of this government, than that

which I have given to it. He has always interpreted it according to the

strict doctrines of the school of State rights! Sir, if the honorable

member ever belonged, until very lately, to the State-rights party, the

connection was very much like a secret marriage. And never was secret

better kept. Not only were the espousals not acknowledged, but all

suspicion was avoided. There was no known familiarity, or even kindness,

between them. On the contrary, they acted like parties who were not at

all fond of each other's company.

Sir, is there a man in my hearing, among all the gentlemen now

surrounding us, many of whom, of both houses, have been here many years,

and know the gentleman and myself perfectly,--is there one who ever

heard, supposed, or dreamed that the honorable member belonged to the

State-rights party before the year 1825? Can any such connection be

proved upon him, can he prove it upon himself, before that time?

Sir, I will show you, before I resume my seat, that it was not until

after the gentleman took his seat in the chair which you now occupy,

that any public manifestation, or intimation, was ever given by him of

his having embraced the peculiar doctrines of the State-rights party.

The truth is, Sir, the honorable gentleman had acted a very important

and useful part during the war. But the war terminated. Toward the end

of the session of 1814-15, we received the news of peace. This closed

the Thirteenth Congress. In the fall of 1815, the Fourteenth Congress

assembled. It was full of ability, and the honorable gentleman stood

high among its distinguished members. He remained in the House, Sir,

through the whole of that Congress; and now, Sir, it is easy to show

that, during those two years, the honorable gentleman took a decided

lead in all those great measures which he has since so often denounced

as unconstitutional and oppressive, the bank, the tariff, and internal

improvements. The war being terminated, the gentleman's mind turned

itself toward internal administration and improvement. He surveyed the

whole country, contemplated its resources, saw what it was capable of

becoming, and held a political faith not so narrow and contracted as to

restrain him from useful and efficient action. He was, therefore, at

once a full length ahead of all others in measures which were national,

and which required a broad and liberal construction of the Constitution.

This is historic truth. Of his agency in the bank, and other measures

connected with the currency, I have already spoken, and I do not

understand him to deny any thing I have said, in that particular.

Indeed, I have said nothing capable of denial.

Now allow me a few words upon the tariff. The tariff of 1816 was

distinctly a South Carolina measure. Look at the votes, and you will see

it. It was a tariff for the benefit of South Carolina interests, and

carried through Congress by South Carolina votes and South Carolina

influence. Even the _minimum_, Sir, the so-much-reproached, the

abominable _minimum_, that subject of angry indignation and wrathful

rhetoric, is of Southern origin, and has a South Carolina parentage.

Sir, the contest on that occasion was chiefly between the cotton-growers

at home, and the importers of cotton fabrics from India. These India

fabrics were made from the cotton of that country. The people of this

country were using cotton fabrics not made of American cotton, and, so

far, they were diminishing the demand for such cotton. The importation

of India cottons was then very large, and this bill was designed to put

an end to it, and, with the help of the _minimum_, it did put an end to

it. The cotton manufactures of the North were then in their infancy.

They had some friends in Congress, but, if I recollect, the majority of

Massachusetts members and of New England members were against this

cotton tariff of 1816. I remember well, that the main debate was between

the importers of India cottons, in the North, and the cotton-growers of

the South. The gentleman cannot deny the truth of this, or any part of

it. Boston opposed this tariff, and Salem opposed it, warmly and

vigorously. But the honorable member supported it, and the law passed.

And now be it always remembered, Sir, that that act passed on the

professed ground of protection; that it had in it the _minimum_

principle, and that the honorable member, and other leading gentlemen

from his own State, supported it, voted for it, and carried it through

Congress.

And now, Sir, we come to the doctrine of internal improvement, that

other usurpation, that other oppression, which has come so near to

justifying violent disruption of the government, and scattering the

fragments of the Union to the four winds. Have the gentleman's

State-rights opinions always kept him aloof from such unhallowed

infringements of the Constitution? He says he always differed with me

on constitutional questions. How was it in this most important

particular? Has he here stood on the ramparts, brandishing his

glittering sword against assailants, and holding out a banner of

defiance? Sir, it is an indisputable truth, that he is himself the man,

the _ipse_ that first brought forward in Congress a scheme of general

internal improvement, at the expense and under the authority of this

government. He, Sir, is the very man, the _ipsissimus ipse_, who

considerately, and on a settled system, began these unconstitutional

measures, if they be unconstitutional. And now for the proof.

The act incorporating the Bank of the United States was passed in April,

1816. For the privileges of the charter, the proprietors of the bank

were to pay to government a _bonus_, as it was called, of one million

five hundred thousand dollars, in certain instalments. Government also

took seven millions in the stock of the bank. Early in the next session

of Congress, that is, in December, 1816, the honorable member moved, in

the House of Representatives, that a committee be appointed to consider

the propriety of setting apart this _bonus_, and also the dividends on

the stock belonging to the United States, as a permanent fund for

internal improvement. The committee was appointed, and the honorable

member was made its chairman. He thus originated the plan, and took the

lead in its execution. Shortly afterwards, he reported a bill carrying

out the objects for which the committee had been appointed. This bill

provided that the dividends on the seven millions of bank stock

belonging to government, and also the whole of the _bonus_, should be

permanently pledged as a fund for constructing roads and canals; and

that this fund should be subject to such specific appropriations as

Congress might subsequently make.

This was the bill; and this was the first project ever brought forward

in Congress for a system of internal improvements. The bill goes the

whole doctrine at a single jump. The Cumberland Road, it is true, was

already in progress; and for that the gentleman had also voted. But

there were, and are now, peculiarities about that particular expenditure

which sometimes satisfy scrupulous consciences; but this bill of the

gentleman's, without equivocation or saving clause, without if, or and,

or but, occupied the whole ground at once, and announced internal

improvement as one of the objects of this government, on a grand and

systematic plan. The bill, Sir, seemed indeed too strong. It was thought

by persons not esteemed extremely jealous of State rights to evince too

little regard to the will of the States. Several gentlemen opposed the

measure in that shape, on that account; and among them Colonel

Pickering, then one of the Representatives from Massachusetts. Even

Timothy Pickering could not quite sanction, or concur in, the honorable

gentleman's doctrines to their full extent, although he favored the

measure in its general character. He therefore prepared an amendment, as

a substitute; and his substitute provided for two very important things

not embraced in the original bill:--

First, that the proportion of the fund to be expended in each State,

respectively, should be in proportion to the number of its inhabitants.

Second, that the money should be applied in constructing such roads,

canals, and so forth, in the several States, as Congress might direct,

_with the assent of the State_.

This, Sir, was Timothy Pickering's amendment to the gentleman's bill.

And now, Sir, how did the honorable gentleman, who has always belonged

to the State-rights party,--how did he treat this amendment, or this

substitute? Which way do you think his State-rights doctrine led him?

Why, Sir, I will tell you. He immediately rose, and moved to strike out

the words "_with the assent of the State_"! Here is the journal under my

hand, Sir; and here is the gentleman's motion. And certainly, Sir, it

will be admitted that this motion was not of a nature to intimate that

he was wedded to State rights. But the words were not struck out. The

motion did not prevail. Mr. Pickering's substitute was adopted, and the

bill passed the House in that form.

In committee of the whole on this bill, Sir, the honorable member made a

very able speech both on the policy of internal improvements and the

power of Congress over the subject. These points were fully argued by

him. He spoke of the importance of the system, the vast good it would

produce, and its favorable effect on the union of the States. "Let us,

then," said he, "bind the republic together with a perfect system of

roads and canals. Let us conquer space. It is thus the most distant

parts of the republic will be brought within a few days' travel of the

centre; it is thus that a citizen of the West will read the news of

Boston still moist from the press."

But on the power of Congress to make internal improvements, ay, Sir, on

the power of Congress, hear him! What were then his rules of

construction and interpretation? How did he at that time read and

understand the Constitution? Why, Sir, he said that "he was no advocate

for refined arguments on the Constitution. The instrument was not

intended as a thesis for the logician to exercise his ingenuity on. It

ought to be construed with plain good-sense." This is all very just, I

think, Sir; and he said much more in the same strain. He quoted many

instances of laws passed, as he contended, on similar principles, and

then added, that "he introduced these instances to prove the uniform

sense of Congress and of the country (for they had not been objected to)

as to our powers; and surely," said he, "they furnish better evidence of

the true interpretation of the Constitution than the most refined and

subtile arguments."

Here you see, Mr. President, how little original I am. You have heard me

again and again contending in my place here for the stability of that

which has been long settled; you have heard me, till I dare say you have

been tired, insisting that the sense of Congress, so often expressed,

and the sense of the country, so fully shown and so firmly established,

ought to be regarded as having decided finally certain constitutional

questions. You see now, Sir, what authority I have for this mode of

argument. But while the scholar is learning, the teacher renounces. Will

he apply his old doctrine now--I sincerely wish he would--to the

question of the bank, to the question of the receiving of bank-notes by

government, to the power of Congress over the paper currency? Will he

admit that these questions ought to be regarded as decided by the

settled sense of Congress and of the country? O, no! Far otherwise. From

these rules of judgment, and from the influence of all considerations of

this practical nature, the honorable member now takes these questions

with him into the upper heights of metaphysics, into the regions of

those refinements and subtile arguments which he rejected with so much

decision in 1817, as appears by this speech. He quits his old ground of

common-sense, experience, and the general understanding of the country,

for a flight among theories and ethereal abstractions.

And now, Sir, let me ask, when did the honorable member relinquish these

early opinions and principles of his? When did he make known his

adhesion to the doctrines of the State-rights party? We have been

speaking of transactions in 1816 and 1817. What the gentleman's opinions

then were, we have seen. When did he announce himself a State-rights

man? I have already said, Sir, that nobody knew of his claiming that

character until after the commencement of 1825; and I have said so,

because I have before me an address of his to his neighbors at

Abbeville, in May of that year, in which he recounts, very properly, the

principal incidents in his career as a member of Congress, and as head

of a department; and in which he says that, as a member of Congress, he

had given his zealous efforts in favor of a restoration of specie

currency, of a due protection of those manufactures which had taken root

during the war, and, finally, of a system for connecting the various

parts of the country by a judicious system of internal improvement. He

adds, that it afterwards became his duty, as a member of the

administration, to aid in sustaining against the boldest assaults those

very measures which, as a member of Congress, he had contributed to

establish.

And now, Sir, since the honorable gentleman says he has differed with me

on constitutional questions, will he be pleased to say what

constitutional opinion I have ever avowed for which I have not his

express authority? Is it on the bank power? the tariff power? the power

of internal improvement? I have shown his votes, his speeches, and his

conduct, on all these subjects, up to the time when General Jackson

became a candidate for the Presidency. From that time, Sir, I know we

have differed; but if there was any difference before that time, I call

upon him to point it out, to declare what was the occasion, what the

question, and what the difference. And if before that period, Sir, by

any speech, any vote, any public proceeding, or by any mode of

announcement whatever, he gave the world to know that he belonged to the

State-rights party, I hope he will now be kind enough to produce it, or

to refer to it, or to tell us where we may look for it.

Sir, I will pursue this topic no farther. I would not have pursued it so

far, I would not have entered upon it at all, had it not been for the

astonishment I felt, mingled, I confess, with something of warmer

feeling, when the honorable gentleman declared that he had always

differed with me on constitutional questions. Sir, the honorable member

read a quotation or two from a speech of mine in 1816, on the currency

or bank question. With what intent, or to what end? What inconsistency

does he show? Speaking of the _legal_ currency of the country, that is,

the coin, I then said it was in a good state. Was not that true? I was

speaking of the legal currency; of that which the law made a tender. And

how is that inconsistent with any thing said by me now, or ever said by

me? I declared then, he says, that the framers of this government were

hard-money men. Certainly they were. But are not the friends of a

convertible paper _hard-money men_, in every practical and sensible

meaning of the term? Did I, in that speech, or any other, insist on

excluding all convertible paper from the uses of society? Most assuredly

I did not. I never quite so far lost my wits, I think. There is but a

single sentence in that speech which I should qualify if I were to

deliver it again, and that the honorable member has not noticed. It is a

paragraph respecting the power of Congress over the circulation of State

banks, which might perhaps need explanation or correction. Understanding

it as applicable to the case then before Congress, all the rest is

perfectly accordant with my present opinions. It is well known that I

never doubted the power of Congress to create a bank; that I was always

in favor of a bank, constituted on proper principles; that I voted for

the bank bill of 1815; and that I opposed that of 1816 only on account

of one or two of its provisions, which I and others hoped to be able to

strike out. I am a hard-money man, and always have been, and always

shall be. But I know the great use of such bank paper as is convertible

into hard money on demand; which may be called specie paper, and which

is equivalent to specie in value, and much more convenient and useful

for common purposes. On the other hand, I abhor all irredeemable paper;

all old-fashioned paper money; all deceptive promises; every thing,

indeed, in the shape of paper issued for circulation, whether by

government or individuals, which cannot be turned into gold and silver

at the will of the holder.

But, Sir, I have insisted that government is bound to protect and

regulate the means of commerce, to see that there is a sound currency

for the use of the people. The honorable gentleman asks, What then is

the limit? Must Congress also furnish all means of commerce? Must it

furnish weights and scales and steelyards? Most undoubtedly, Sir, it

must regulate weights and measures, and it does so. But the answer to

the general question is very obvious. Government must furnish all that

which none but government can furnish. Government must do that for

individuals which individuals cannot do for themselves. That is the very

end of government. Why else have we a government? Can individuals make a

currency? Can individuals regulate money? The distinction is as broad

and plain as the Pennsylvania Avenue. No man can mistake it, or well

blunder out of it. The gentleman asks if government must furnish for the

people ships, and boats, and wagons. Certainly not. The gentleman here

only recites the President's message of September. These things, and all

such things, the people can furnish for themselves; but they cannot make

a currency; they cannot, individually, decide what shall be the money of

the country. That, everybody knows, is one of the prerogatives, and one

of the duties, of government; and a duty which I think we are most

unwisely and improperly neglecting. We may as well leave the people to

make war and to make peace, each man for himself, as to leave to

individuals the regulation of commerce and currency.

Mr. President, there are other remarks of the gentleman of which I might

take notice. But should I do so, I could only repeat what I have already

said, either now or heretofore. I shall, therefore, not now allude to

them. My principal purpose in what I have said has been to defend

myself; that was my first object; and next, as the honorable member has

attempted to take to himself the character of a strict constructionist,

and a State-rights man, and on that basis to show a difference, not

favorable to me, between his constitutional opinions and my own,

heretofore, it has been my intention to show that the power to create a

bank, the power to regulate the currency by other and direct means, the

power to enact a protective tariff, and the power of internal

improvement, in its broadest sense, are all powers which the honorable

gentleman himself has supported, has acted on, and in the exercise of

which, indeed, he has taken a distinguished lead in the counsels of

Congress.

If this has been done, my purpose is answered. I do not wish to prolong

the discussion, nor to spin it out into a colloquy. If the honorable

member has any thing new to bring forward; if he has any charge to make,

any proof, or any specification; if he has any thing to advance against

my opinions or my conduct, my honor or patriotism, I am still at home. I

am here. If not, then, so far as I am concerned, this discussion will

here terminate.

I will say a few words, before I resume my seat, on the motion now

pending. That motion is to strike out the specie-paying part of the

bill. I have a suspicion, Sir, that the motion will prevail. If it

should, it will leave a great vacuum; and how shall that vacuum be

filled?

The part proposed to be struck out is that which requires all debts to

government to be paid in specie. It makes a good provision for

government, and for public men, through all classes. The Secretary of

the Treasury, in his letter at the last session, was still more watchful

of the interests of the holders of office. He assured us, that, bad as

the times were, and notwithstanding the floods of bad paper which

deluged the country, members of Congress should get gold and silver. In

my opinion, Sir, this is beginning the use of good money in payments at

the wrong end of the list. If there be bad money in the country, I think

that Secretaries and other executive officers, and especially members of

Congress, should be the last to receive any good money; because they

have the power, if they will do their duty, and exercise it, of making

the money of the country good for all. I think, Sir, it was a leading

feature in Mr. Burke's famous bill for economical reform, that he

provided, first of all, for those who are least able to secure

themselves. Everybody else was to be well paid all they were entitled

to, before the ministers of the crown, and other political characters,

should have any thing. This seems to me very right. But we have a

precedent, Sir, in our own country, more directly to the purpose; and

as that which we now hope to strike out is the part of the bill

furnished or proposed originally by the honorable member from South

Carolina, it will naturally devolve on him to supply its place. I wish,

therefore, to draw his particular attention to this precedent, which I

am now about to produce.

Most members of the Senate will remember, that before the establishment

of this government, and before or about the time that the territory

which now constitutes the State of Tennessee was ceded to Congress, the

inhabitants of the eastern part of that territory established a

government for themselves, and called it the State of Franklin. They

adopted a very good constitution, providing for the usual branches of

legislative, executive, and judicial power. They laid and collected

taxes, and performed other usual acts of legislation. They had, for the

present, it is true, no maritime possessions, yet they followed the

common forms in constituting high officers; and their governor was not

only captain-general and commander-in-chief, but admiral also, so that

the navy might have a commander when there should be a navy.

Well, Sir, the currency in this State of Franklin became very much

deranged. Specie was scarce, and equally scarce were the notes of

specie-paying banks. But the legislature did not propose any divorce of

government and people; they did not seek to establish two currencies,

one for men in office, and one for the rest of the community. They were

content with neighbor's fare. It became necessary to pass what we should

call now-a-days the civil-list appropriation bill. They passed such a

bill; and when we shall have made a void in the bill now before us by

striking out specie payments for government, I recommend to its friends

to fill the gap, by inserting, if not the same provisions as were in the

law of the State of Franklin, at least something in the same spirit.

The preamble of that law, Sir, begins by reciting, that the collection

of taxes in specie had become very oppressive to the good people of the

commonwealth, for the want of a circulating medium. A parallel case to

ours, Sir, exactly. It recites further, that it is the duty of the

legislature to hear, at all times, the prayer of their constituents, and

apply as speedy a remedy as lies in their power. These sentiments are

very just, and I sincerely wish there was a thorough disposition here to

adopt the like.

Acting under the influence of these sound opinions, Sir, the legislature

of Franklin passed a law for the support of the civil list, which, as it

is short, I will beg permission to read. It is as follows:--

"_Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Franklin,

and it is hereby enacted by the authority of the same_, That, from

the first day of January, A.D. 1789, the salaries of the civil

officers of this commonwealth be as follows, to wit:

"His excellency, the governor, _per annum_, one thousand

deer-skins; his honor, the chief justice, five hundred do. do.; the

attorney-general, five hundred do. do.; secretary to his excellency

the governor, five hundred raccoon do.; the treasurer of the State,

four hundred and fifty otter do.; each county clerk, three hundred

beaver do.; clerk of the house of commons, two hundred raccoon do.;

members of assembly, _per diem_, three do. do.; justice's fee for

signing a warrant, one muskrat do.; to the constable, for serving a

warrant, one mink do.

"Enacted into a law this 18th day of October, 1788, under the great

seal of the State.

"Witness his excellency, &c.

"_Governor, captain-general, commander-in-chief, and admiral in and

over said State_."

This, Sir, is the law, the spirit of which I commend to gentlemen. I

will not speak of the appropriateness of these several allowances for

the civil list. But the example is good, and I am of opinion that, until

Congress shall perform its duty, by seeing that the country enjoys a

good currency, the same medium which the people are obliged to use,

whether it be skins or rags, is good enough for its own members.

[Footnote 1: The Secretary of the Treasury.]

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