Both answered and said: "Yes, Gotama, we think so." 6

"But tell me," continued the Buddha, "has any one of the

Brahmans, versed in the Vedas, seen Brahmā face to face?" 7

"No, sir!" was the reply. 8

"But, then," said the Blessed One, "has any teacher of the

Brahmans, versed in the Vedas, seen Brahmā face to face?" 9