WITNESS--I am acquainted with both William Brodie and George Smith, the

prisoners at the bar, and also with John Brown _alias_ Humphry Moore. I

remember that the Excise Office was broke into upon Wednesday, the 5th

of March last. I knew before that that it was to be broken into, but how

long I cannot tell. Brown and the prisoners and I frequently talked of

it before, and Brown and I went often to the Excise Office in the

evenings in order to observe at what hour the people left it, and in

consequence of repeated observations we discovered that the door was

usually locked about eight o’clock, and that there were two men, an old

and a younger man, who came night about to watch the office about ten

o’clock. Afterwards Brown and I went out one afternoon to a house at

Duddingston, where we drank a bottle of porter, and saw a woman whom I

took to be the landlady. We then went to a field in the neighbourhood,

from which we took the coulter of a plough and two iron wedges, which we

carried to the Salisbury Crags and hid there. At this time there was a

black dog in company with us. We had fixed on Wednesday, the 5th of

March, for committing the said robbery, and we allowed the coulter to

remain in Salisbury Crags until about six o’clock of the evening of that

day, when Brown and I, it being then dusk, went out and brought the

coulter of the plough to the house of the prisoner, George Smith, on

purpose to use it in breaking into the Excise Office. We found Smith at

home, and we expected Mr. Brodie to join us and to accompany us to the

Excise Office. Brodie did not come until a good while after, when he

joined us in the room above-stairs in Smith’s house. Mr. Brodie was at

this time dressed in a light-coloured great-coat, with black clothes

below (in which I had often seen him before), and a cocked hat. When he

came in he had a pistol in his hand, and was singing a verse of what I

understood to be a flash song. By a flash song I mean a highwayman’s

song. We spoke together concerning the Excise Office; and it was settled

upon that I should go before to the Excise Office and get within the

rails and observe when the people went out. I went there accordingly a

little before eight o’clock, carrying the coulter of the plough with me,

and waited till I saw the porter come out with a light and lock the

outer door. In a short while thereafter Smith came to me and asked if

the people were all gone, and when I informed him that they were gone

out Smith then went forward and opened the door with a key, which, I had

heard him say, he had previously made for it, and went into the office.

In about five minutes thereafter Brodie came down the close, and when I

told him that Smith had gone in, but that Brown was not yet come, he

went up the close again towards the street, and returned in a little

with Brown, who said he had been dogging the old man who watched the

office in order to see where he went, and that he had gone home. Brown

then asked me whether or not I had “Great Samuel”--by which he meant the

coulter. I told him I had, and gave it him through the rails, and he and

Brodie then went down towards the door of the office and went in, as I

supposed. I had no arms myself, excepting a stick, but Smith had three

loaded pistols, Brown two, and Brodie one; at least, I saw Brodie, when

he came into Smith’s house, have one in his hand. It had been previously

settled amongst us, before leaving Smith’s house, that Brodie was to

stand in the inside of the outer door, and that Brown and Smith were to

go into the office. I was to remain without to watch, and in case of

danger, to give an alarm to Brodie, which Brodie was to communicate to

Brown and Smith. The signal of alarm agreed upon was to be given by me

in this manner--A single whistle if one man appeared, so that they might

be prepared to secure him; but if more than one man, or any appearance

of danger, I was to give three whistles, in order that those within

might make their escape by the door or by the back windows, as they

thought best. I had an ivory whistle prepared for the purpose, which was

given me by Mr. Brodie in Smith’s house in the afternoon. I took my

station within the rail and leaned down, so that no person either going

in or coming out could see me. Some short while after Brodie and Brown

went into the office, a man came running down the close and went in

also. I gave no alarm, for before I had time to think what I should do

another man came immediately running out at the door and went up the

court. In a very little afterwards, to my great surprise, a second man

came out from the office. I got up and looked at him through the rails,

and perceived that he was none of my three companions. I had not seen

the other man who came out first so distinctly, owing to my lying down

by the side of the parapet wall on which the rail is placed, in order

that I might not be observed. I was afraid that we were discovered; and,

as soon as the second man had gone up the close, I gave the alarm by

three whistles as the agreed-on signal of retreat and ran up the close

myself. I went down St. John’s Street and came round opposite to the

back of the Excise Office, thinking to meet my companions coming out by

the back way, having escaped from the windows. I remained there for some

little time, and, not meeting with them, I then went directly to Smith’s

house. Finding none of them there, and Mrs. Smith telling me that they

were not yet come in, I went back to the Excise Office by the street,

went down the close, saw the door open, and, finding everything quiet, I

returned to Smith’s, where I saw him and Brown. They accused me of not

having given the alarm as I promised, and said that when they came out

they found that Brodie had gone from his place. I told them what I had

observed, and that I had given the alarm. I remained in Smith’s only a

few minutes, and I did not see Brodie again that night.[9] Brown and I

then went over to the house of one Fraser in the New Town, and sent for

Daniel Maclean, Mr. Drysdale’s waiter. We spent the evening with him

there. There was one Price likewise in company with us, and we remained

together till about two o’clock in the morning. It was near eight

o’clock when I went first to the Excise Office, and it was about

half-an-hour afterwards that I quitted my station. Brodie called next

morning at our room--the room occupied by Brown and me. He came in

laughing, and said that he had been with Smith, who had accused him of

running away the previous evening. I told him that I also thought he had

run off; but he said that he had stood true. Brodie had no great-coat on

when he came to the Excise Office and spoke to me at the rails; he was

dressed in black. When the whistle was given me by him in Smith’s house

in the afternoon Brodie had on the white-coloured clothes which he

usually wore. He afterwards changed them before we went to the Excise

Office. Before I left Smith’s I saw Brodie have a pick-lock in his

hands, and I think we all had it in our hands looking at it. Brodie was

in his own hair. I did not observe him have a wig. We had prepared three

crapes to disguise our faces; one of them was intended for Brown,

another for Smith, and the remaining one for myself, but I did not see

either Brown or Smith put a crape in their pockets that night. [Here the

pistols libelled on were shown to the witness.] These pistols belonged

to Mr. Brodie, and Smith had them with him at the Excise Office. They

were given to him by me, and I had borrowed them from Mr. Brodie a month

or two before for another purpose. That same evening Brown told me, as

we went over to the New Town, that they had found sixteen pounds and

some silver in the Excise Office; and on the Friday evening following,

when I called at Smith’s house, in the room above stairs I found Smith

and Brodie, and saw the money lying on a chair. I got a fourth share of

it in small notes, and at the same time I got some gold from Mr. Brodie

in payment of money he owed me. Brodie and Smith also each got a fourth

share of it. There were two five-pound notes amongst the money that was

on the chair, and I signified a desire to have one of them. I

accordingly gave back some of the small notes I had received and some of

the gold and got one of them in exchange. I afterwards gave the note to

Smith, and saw him change it at Drysdale’s in the New Town the same

evening, when he was purchasing a ticket for his wife in the mail-coach

to Newcastle for the next day.[10] Brown and one Price were then

present.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL--Have you any particular mark by which you could

know the said note again?

WITNESS--It was a Glasgow note, and battered on the back with paper.

[Here the Solicitor-General proposed to show the witness the bank-note

libelled on.]

The DEAN OF FACULTY--My Lords, here I must interrupt the witness. It is

stated in the libel that a five-pound bank-note is to be produced in

evidence against the pannels; but the witness says that the note given

him to change was a Glasgow five-pound note, and the paper on your

Lordship’s table is a promissory note for five pounds issued by John

Robertson in name of Spiers, Murdoch & Company, a private banking

company in Glasgow. This cannot in propriety of language be termed a

bank-note. In Lombard Street, where such notes as that on the table are

daily negotiated, they never think of calling them bank-notes. This

term, my Lords, is exclusively appropriated to the notes issued by a

bank constituted by a Royal Charter, such as the Bank of England, and

the notes of a private banker are distinguished by the name of banker’s

notes. Neither does such a note come under the description of money, as

it is not a legal tender in payment. I hold in my hand this objection in

writing, which, to save the time of the Court, I shall read, and I crave

that it may be entered on the record.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL--This objection appears to me to be so entirely

frivolous as hardly to be worthy of an answer. The note in question is

one issued by a very respectable banking company in Glasgow, and well

known in this country by the name of the Glasgow Arms Bank. Such notes

are commonly held to be bank-notes, and are so described in common

language every day. Many instances might likewise be given of their

being described in the same manner in criminal indictments, nor was it

ever before objected that the description was insufficient. We need not

go so far off as Lombard Street; there is no necessity for going

further than the Parliament Close, where thousands of these notes are

issued, known by no other name than that of bank-notes. The honourable

counsel on the other side of the table, as well as myself, have received

the greatest part of our fees in bank-notes of this kind, and both of us

would have reason to complain, I believe, if what we received in that

manner were not really bank-notes or considered as money.

The DEAN OF FACULTY--My Lords, the common use of language, as well as

the technical and legal description of the writing on the table, join in

supporting this objection. That there is a distinction in common phrase

between a bank-note and a banker’s note there can be no doubt. Every

private company which is instituted with a view to the purposes of

banking may indeed issue promissory notes, which meet with a voluntary

credit from the country; but these are distinguished from the public

banks instituted by the authority of Government, and where credit does

not depend upon the goodwill of any individual, as every man must accept

in payment their notes when tendered to him. These notes are alone

properly termed bank-notes as the notes of a bank which is a public

corporation, while the notes of a private company are termed banker’s

notes, or those of an individual. Although the one may, in common

discourse, be sometimes confounded with the other by those who are

ignorant of the real distinction, there is no doubt that that

distinction exists and is acknowledged by any one acquainted with the

subject; and where they are best acquainted with it there the

distinction is most explicitly acknowledged, as in Lombard Street, where

no other term is known for the note of a private banker than a banker’s

note. The inaccuracy of the description in the indictment is therefore

evident, and can by no means be defended by the vulgar error which

sometimes, I admit, is fallen into of confounding it with the note of a

public bank.

My Lords, it will be allowed me that accuracy is at least as necessary

for an indictment as to proceedings in the civil Courts; and your

Lordships cannot have forgotten the late decision upon the application

of the Bankrupt Act, when it was found that money belonging to creditors

could not be lodged in the Bank of Dundee, in respect, the Act declares,

that the bankrupt funds recovered should be lodged in a bank. And if the

Bank of Dundee, my Lords, was held in that judgment not to be a bank

under the meaning of the Act, with what propriety could your Lordships

determine in a criminal case that their notes were bank-notes? No case

can be figured more precisely in point; and if your Lordships approve of

that decision, you will necessarily find that the note on the table is

improperly described, and cannot be used in evidence.

I might safely admit, my Lords, that if this note had been described as

a five-pound bank-note of a certain company, supposing it had been a

bank-note of Sir William Forbes & Company, that this would have been a

good description, for then it would have appeared by the indictment that

the writing meant was a promissory note of that company. But from its

being termed generally a bank-note, I could never suppose that it was

not a note issued by one of the public banks, as that is the description

that applies to no other species of document known in this country. For

these reasons I hope your Lordships will not allow any questions

concerning this paper to be put to the witness.

Lord HAILES--When I had the honour to serve the Crown as a

depute-advocate, I learned from a most eminent judge, Lord Tinwald,

Justice-Clerk, from whom I derived much instruction in the principles of

law, that the note of a private banking company could not be termed in

law a bank-note, nor could it be considered in any respect as money. On

one occasion he obliged me to correct an indictment where I had fallen

into the same error which I perceive here. The word bank-note, in legal

acceptation, is applied exclusively to the notes issued by a bank

instituted by Royal Charter, and I remember well the case alluded to by

the Dean of Faculty, which was determined on the same principles. I am

therefore clear for sustaining the objection.

Lord ESKGROVE--My Lords, I am clearly of the opinion that has been given

by my honourable brother. The promissory note of a private banking

company is not held in the language of our law to be a bank-note, and

therefore I am for sustaining the objection.

The LORD JUSTICE-CLERK--I suppose there are none of your Lordships of a

different opinion? The Lords therefore sustain the objection.

The Court then pronounced the following interlocutor:--

The Lord Justice-Clerk and Lords Commissioners of Justiciary having

considered the objection, with the answers thereto, they sustain

the objection to this piece of evidence libelled on, and refuse to

allow the same to be produced.

ROBT. M‘QUEEN, I.P.D.

[Here the witness was shown a false key, a pair of curling irons, a

small iron crow, and the coulter of a plough.]

WITNESS--I know these articles; they were all used in the breaking into

the Excise Office. The coulter we called “Great Samuel,” and the iron

crow, “Little Samuel.” When I gave the coulter to Brown through the

rails at the Excise Office he asked me if I had “Little Samuel,” and I

said that I believed that Smith had it in his pocket.

Lord HAILES--Andrew Ainslie, you gave an account of this matter formerly

before the Sheriff; but you have been very properly told by the Court

that what you said there is now of no avail, and that your declarations

are destroyed. You have this night, in presence of the Court and the

jury, given evidence against the prisoners at the bar. Before you leave

the Court, I desire you to consult your own breast whether or not you

have said anything to the prejudice of these men that is not true. You

have it still in your power to correct any mistakes you have made, but

this opportunity will never recur to you. If, therefore, you are

conscious of having said anything against the prisoners contrary to

truth, and if you leave this house without informing the Court and the

jury of you having done so, you will commit a most heinous offence

against the Almighty God, and you will be guilty of perjury and of

murder.

Cross-examined by the DEAN OF FACULTY--At what hour went you first to

the Excise Office on the night in which you say it was broke into?

WITNESS--I left Smith’s house about a quarter before eight o’clock; I

went away before the rest.

The DEAN OF FACULTY--What o’clock was it when you returned the last time

to Smith’s that evening?

WITNESS--I cannot say, but I think it would be about an hour from the

time I went first to the Excise Office.

The DEAN OF FACULTY--How long were you at the Excise Office before

Brodie came to you?

WITNESS--About a quarter of an hour; he came to the Excise Office just

about eight o’clock.

The DEAN OF FACULTY--You have said that you had resolved to break into

the Excise Office a considerable while before you carried that design

into execution, and you have told us that it was broke into upon a

Wednesday night? Now, you will inform the Court and the gentlemen of the

jury what your reason was for fixing upon that night more than any

other?

WITNESS--Brown and I having seen, in consequence of frequent

observations, that an old man watched night about with the other porter,

and knowing that it was his turn to watch on Wednesday night, we

therefore fixed upon that night for carrying our design into execution.

We knew that there was usually nobody in the office from eight to ten

o’clock for the purpose of watching it. I do not remember who it was

that first proposed robbing the Excise Office.

[Sidenote: John Brown]

27. JOHN BROWN _alias_ HUMPHRY MOORE, sometime residing in Edinburgh,

present prisoner in the Tolbooth of Canongate of Edinburgh, called.

Mr. WIGHT, for the pannel, William Brodie--My Lords, before this

witness, who is also a _socius criminis_, is called in, I have to

object to his being received as a witness upon grounds which, I imagine,

are insuperable. This man, my Lords, was convicted at the General

Quarter Sessions for the county of Middlesex, by the verdict of a jury,

of stealing twenty-one guineas and fourteen doubloons, in consequence of

which he was adjudged to be transported beyond the seas for the term of

seven years, in April, 1784, and this is instantly instructed by a copy

of the said conviction, under the hand of the proper officer, now

produced; and further, the witness, under the name of John Brown, was

banished by the Justices of Peace for Stirlingshire from that county in

September, 1787, upon his confessing a theft committed at Falkirk, as

appears from a certified copy of the said sentence under the hand of the

Clerk of the Peace of the said shire. I shall not take up your

Lordships’ time in proving that a man thus infamous is altogether

inadmissible as a witness in any cause, especially where life is

concerned, and I have no doubt that your Lordships will sustain the

objection.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL--My Lords, in answer to this objection, I here

produce His Majesty’s most gracious pardon in behalf of this witness,

under the Great Seal of England, dated 28th July last, which, by the law

of England, renders the witness habile and testable.

Mr. WIGHT--The production of this pardon, my Lords, will by no means

answer the objection which I have stated. The infamy attending the

commission of the crimes of which Brown has been convicted is not,

cannot be, done away by the King’s pardon. He still remains a man

unworthy of credit, in whom the gentlemen of the jury can place no

confidence. His situation, in short, is just the same as it was before

the granting of the pardon, unless that the pardon saves him from the

punishment awarded against his crimes. This doctrine is delivered by Sir

George Mackenzie in very strong terms, and it is the doctrine of common

sense.

[During this time some desultory conversation took place about what was

the felony for which Brown was sentenced, the Lord Advocate saying it

was only swindling.[11]]

The LORD ADVOCATE--My Lords, as to the sentence against Brown, supposed

to have been pronounced by the Justices of Peace for Stirlingshire, it

does not appear with certainty, nor do I know whether Brown, the

witness, be the same person who was the subject of that sentence or not,

as the certified copy of the sentence of banishment produced is against

one John Brown from Ireland. I admit, my Lords, that if he had been

tried by a proper Court and convicted in consequence of the verdict of a

jury that the objection would have been a very good one; but the

sentence of the Justices of Peace here produced cannot afford an

objection which your Lordships can sustain in bar of his evidence.

Granting him to be the same person, there is here no trial or verdict of

a jury. It appears that a petition was presented for him to avoid the

trouble of a trial, and the Clerk of Court has most improperly taken

down an acknowledgment of his guilt. There was no occasion for his

accusing himself, it was sufficient for him to state that he wished to

avoid the consequences of a trial; and therefore, my Lords, this

sentence can in no view of the matter be held to infer his actual guilt

of the crime laid to his charge before the Justices. My Lords, I admit

in the fullest manner the effect of the first sentence against Brown for

the felony, but I maintain that it is completely taken off by the

subsequent pardon.

I do not reckon myself obliged to answer to the general objection of

_socius criminis_: that is fully answered by the practice and the

uniform course of your Lordships’ decisions. A specialty was argued in

the case of Ainslie; but this witness is in a situation very different.

He never was charged with this crime, nor was he ever liable to the

temptation which it was alleged, for the pannels, might have influenced

the former witness.

My Lords, many daring robberies have been committed in this city, and,

in spite of the utmost vigilance of the police, no discovery could be

made of the perpetrators. At length, upon the Friday after the robbery

of the Excise Office, Brown went to Mr. Middleton, a person employed by

the Sheriff, and told him such circumstances as led to a discovery. From

this, my Lords, I am bound to suppose that he had repented of what he

had done, and I conceived it to be my duty not to prosecute him, but, on

the contrary, to make use of his evidence as a means of discovery of the

rest of his accomplices. After this, my Lords, it was found that he had

been convicted at the Old Bailey. I then applied for advice to those

whom I thought were best enabled to assist me concerning the law of

England on this subject, and I learned, my Lords, that the proper method

to be followed was to apply for a pardon. There is no occasion for

making a mystery of the matter, it was the Recorder of London I did

apply to. He is a gentleman necessarily more versant in these matters

than any other man in the kingdom. By his advice, I applied for a pardon

and accordingly obtained it.

But, my Lords, there was no occasion for a pardon in this case; the

witness, in my opinion, would have been just as admissible without it.

The sentence by which he was condemned is to us entirely a foreign

sentence, and, therefore, upon the universally received principle of

law, that _statuta non obligant extra territorium statuentis_, it can be

of no force with us, unless from that politeness, termed _comitas_ by

the law, which civilised nations pay to the decrees of each other, and,

accordingly, unless your Lordships shall, _ex comitate_, be disposed to

give effect to the decree of a foreign Court, this objection is such as

cannot even be listened to in the first instance, the crime said to be

committed by Brown having been committed in England, and the sentence

pronounced against him being the sentence of an English Court.

My Lords, your Lordships in another capacity, in the civil Court, do not

as a matter of course give effect to foreign decrees. In every instance

you must be satisfied that the decree is consistent with equity and

justice before you interpone your authority. And this holds more

particularly in such decrees as infer a penalty, in which case, indeed,

some lawyers think, and my Lord Kames declares himself to be clearly of

that opinion, that no weight whatever is attached to a foreign decree.

But, my Lords, even laying this out of the question, His Majesty’s most

gracious pardon, which I hold in my hand, puts an end to all objection

at once. There is not, indeed, a clearer point than that a pardon from

the King takes away the effects of any former sentence, and makes the

person pardoned precisely the same person he was before the sentence was

pronounced against him.

This question must be judged of according to the law of England, and

English authorities are express to this purpose. Thus Blackstone, B. iv.

ch. 31, in fine says, “The effect of such pardon by the King is to make

the offender a new man, to acquit him of all corporeal penalties and

forfeitures annexed to that offence for which he obtains his pardon, and

not so much to restore his former as to give him a new credit and

capacity.” And another authority, my Lords, equally respectable--I mean

Bacon’s Abridgment, p. 809--lays down exactly the same doctrine. This

witness, therefore, is and must be admissible, notwithstanding the

sentence pronounced against him. He has a new credit and capacity given

him by this pardon, which enables him to be adduced as a witness,

whatever may have been his character previous to obtaining it.

The authority of Sir George Mackenzie has, indeed, been stated as in

opposition to this argument. But things have varied so much since his

days, and his opinions are frequently so loose and confused, that no

weight can be given to his opinion in opposition to such direct and

recent authorities as I have quoted. It is perhaps no great authority,

my Lords; but I hold a newspaper in my hand, from which it would appear

that a case in England exactly in point was determined in July last in

consistency with the authorities I have mentioned; and another case in

the year 1782 was determined in the same manner.

As to the sentence of the Justices of Peace, I confess I was surprised,

my Lords, that the counsel on the other side of the bar should have

urged it, when in so late a case as that of _Brown and Wilson_, in the

year 1774, your Lordships found that a sentence of the Justices of Peace

was no bar against the admissibility of a witness, nor any sentence

which proceeded without a jury. I therefore sit down, my Lords, in the

full conviction that your Lordships will over-rule the objection against

this witness.

The DEAN OF FACULTY--My Lords, this case, so far as I know, has never

yet been decided by your Lordships. The witness is in a new situation,

and in one so extraordinary that it well deserves your Lordships’

serious consideration, whether he ought, in law or in common justice to

the pannels, to be allowed to give evidence. My Lord Advocate is

mistaken in saying that Brown was not under the same apprehension with

Ainslie when he accused the pannels; for I cannot conceive that any man

could have better ground than he to be afraid of the justice of his

country; and certainly no man ever spoke under more strong and immediate

fears of a halter.

When he made his confession he was under sentence of death, at least he

knew well that he was liable to a capital conviction for not having

transported himself conformable to the sentence at the Old Bailey. He

knew that a pardon was necessary to preserve his life, and that it was

impossible for him to remain in safety without it in this country. The

game he played, therefore, was very evident--he did not accuse Mr.

Brodie at first, and gave no information whatever but against the pannel

Smith. My Lords, was it unnatural for a man of his complexion in such

circumstances to have recourse to fiction? Accordingly, whenever Mr.

Brodie was taken, a strong accusation against him was for the first time

made by Brown, and this pardon was the immediate consequence. Let your

Lordships reflect upon the whole of his conduct; let the jury take it

into their most serious consideration; and I will aver that no evidence

was ever offered under more suspicious circumstances.

The effect of the pardon, my Lords, is another point, and it is one

which involves the most important consequences.

It is admitted on the other side of the bar, and, indeed, without their

admission it is in evidence, that this man John Brown or Humphry Moore

was sentenced to transportation by the Courts in England for a felony.

It is not denied that a sentence of this nature precludes of itself the

admissibility of that person as a witness against whom it is awarded,

but it is said that this sentence is a foreign decree, to which we are

not bound to pay any respect.

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