INTRODUCTION.

The Lesser Hippias may be compared with the earlier dialogues of Plato,

in which the contrast of Socrates and the Sophists is most strongly

exhibited. Hippias, like Protagoras and Gorgias, though civil, is vain

and boastful: he knows all things; he can make anything, including his

own clothes; he is a manufacturer of poems and declamations, and also of

seal-rings, shoes, strigils; his girdle, which he has woven himself, is

of a finer than Persian quality. He is a vainer, lighter nature than

the two great Sophists (compare Protag.), but of the same character

with them, and equally impatient of the short cut-and-thrust method of

Socrates, whom he endeavours to draw into a long oration. At last, he

gets tired of being defeated at every point by Socrates, and is with

difficulty induced to proceed (compare Thrasymachus, Protagoras,

Callicles, and others, to whom the same reluctance is ascribed).

Hippias like Protagoras has common sense on his side, when he argues,

citing passages of the Iliad in support of his view, that Homer intended

Achilles to be the bravest, Odysseus the wisest of the Greeks. But he is

easily overthrown by the superior dialectics of Socrates, who pretends

to show that Achilles is not true to his word, and that no similar

inconsistency is to be found in Odysseus. Hippias replies that Achilles

unintentionally, but Odysseus intentionally, speaks falsehood. But is it

better to do wrong intentionally or unintentionally? Socrates, relying

on the analogy of the arts, maintains the former, Hippias the latter

of the two alternatives...All this is quite conceived in the spirit of

Plato, who is very far from making Socrates always argue on the side

of truth. The over-reasoning on Homer, which is of course satirical, is

also in the spirit of Plato. Poetry turned logic is even more ridiculous

than 'rhetoric turned logic,' and equally fallacious. There were

reasoners in ancient as well as in modern times, who could never receive

the natural impression of Homer, or of any other book which they

read. The argument of Socrates, in which he picks out the apparent

inconsistencies and discrepancies in the speech and actions of Achilles,

and the final paradox, 'that he who is true is also false,' remind us

of the interpretation by Socrates of Simonides in the Protagoras, and of

similar reasonings in the first book of the Republic. The discrepancies

which Socrates discovers in the words of Achilles are perhaps as great

as those discovered by some of the modern separatists of the Homeric

poems...

At last, Socrates having caught Hippias in the toils of the voluntary

and involuntary, is obliged to confess that he is wandering about in the

same labyrinth; he makes the reflection on himself which others would

make upon him (compare Protagoras). He does not wonder that he should be

in a difficulty, but he wonders at Hippias, and he becomes sensible

of the gravity of the situation, when ordinary men like himself can no

longer go to the wise and be taught by them.

It may be remarked as bearing on the genuineness of this dialogue: (1)

that the manners of the speakers are less subtle and refined than in

the other dialogues of Plato; (2) that the sophistry of Socrates is more

palpable and unblushing, and also more unmeaning; (3) that many turns

of thought and style are found in it which appear also in the other

dialogues:--whether resemblances of this kind tell in favour of or

against the genuineness of an ancient writing, is an important question

which will have to be answered differently in different cases. For that

a writer may repeat himself is as true as that a forger may imitate; and

Plato elsewhere, either of set purpose or from forgetfulness, is full

of repetitions. The parallelisms of the Lesser Hippias, as already

remarked, are not of the kind which necessarily imply that the dialogue

is the work of a forger. The parallelisms of the Greater Hippias with

the other dialogues, and the allusion to the Lesser (where Hippias

sketches the programme of his next lecture, and invites Socrates to

attend and bring any friends with him who may be competent judges), are

more than suspicious:--they are of a very poor sort, such as we cannot

suppose to have been due to Plato himself. The Greater Hippias more

resembles the Euthydemus than any other dialogue; but is immeasurably

inferior to it. The Lesser Hippias seems to have more merit than the

Greater, and to be more Platonic in spirit. The character of Hippias is

the same in both dialogues, but his vanity and boasting are even more

exaggerated in the Greater Hippias. His art of memory is specially

mentioned in both. He is an inferior type of the same species as

Hippodamus of Miletus (Arist. Pol.). Some passages in which the Lesser

Hippias may be advantageously compared with the undoubtedly genuine

dialogues of Plato are the following:--Less. Hipp.: compare Republic

(Socrates' cunning in argument): compare Laches (Socrates' feeling about

arguments): compare Republic (Socrates not unthankful): compare Republic

(Socrates dishonest in argument).

The Lesser Hippias, though inferior to the other dialogues, may be

reasonably believed to have been written by Plato, on the ground (1)

of considerable excellence; (2) of uniform tradition beginning with

Aristotle and his school. That the dialogue falls below the standard of

Plato's other works, or that he has attributed to Socrates an unmeaning

paradox (perhaps with the view of showing that he could beat the

Sophists at their own weapons; or that he could 'make the worse appear

the better cause'; or merely as a dialectical experiment)--are not

sufficient reasons for doubting the genuineness of the work.

PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: Eudicus, Socrates, Hippias.

EUDICUS: Why are you silent, Socrates, after the magnificent display

which Hippias has been making? Why do you not either refute his words,

if he seems to you to have been wrong in any point, or join with us in

commending him? There is the more reason why you should speak, because

we are now alone, and the audience is confined to those who may fairly

claim to take part in a philosophical discussion.

SOCRATES: I should greatly like, Eudicus, to ask Hippias the meaning

of what he was saying just now about Homer. I have heard your father,

Apemantus, declare that the Iliad of Homer is a finer poem than the

Odyssey in the same degree that Achilles was a better man than Odysseus;

Odysseus, he would say, is the central figure of the one poem and

Achilles of the other. Now, I should like to know, if Hippias has no

objection to tell me, what he thinks about these two heroes, and which

of them he maintains to be the better; he has already told us in the

course of his exhibition many things of various kinds about Homer and

divers other poets.

EUDICUS: I am sure that Hippias will be delighted to answer anything

which you would like to ask; tell me, Hippias, if Socrates asks you a

question, will you answer him?

HIPPIAS: Indeed, Eudicus, I should be strangely inconsistent if I

refused to answer Socrates, when at each Olympic festival, as I went up

from my house at Elis to the temple of Olympia, where all the Hellenes

were assembled, I continually professed my willingness to perform any of

the exhibitions which I had prepared, and to answer any questions which

any one had to ask.

SOCRATES: Truly, Hippias, you are to be congratulated, if at every

Olympic festival you have such an encouraging opinion of your own wisdom

when you go up to the temple. I doubt whether any muscular hero would be

so fearless and confident in offering his body to the combat at Olympia,

as you are in offering your mind.

HIPPIAS: And with good reason, Socrates; for since the day when I first

entered the lists at Olympia I have never found any man who was my

superior in anything. (Compare Gorgias.)

SOCRATES: What an ornament, Hippias, will the reputation of your wisdom

be to the city of Elis and to your parents! But to return: what say you

of Odysseus and Achilles? Which is the better of the two? and in what

particular does either surpass the other? For when you were exhibiting

and there was company in the room, though I could not follow you, I did

not like to ask what you meant, because a crowd of people were present,

and I was afraid that the question might interrupt your exhibition. But

now that there are not so many of us, and my friend Eudicus bids me ask,

I wish you would tell me what you were saying about these two heroes, so

that I may clearly understand; how did you distinguish them?

HIPPIAS: I shall have much pleasure, Socrates, in explaining to you more

clearly than I could in public my views about these and also about other

heroes. I say that Homer intended Achilles to be the bravest of the men

who went to Troy, Nestor the wisest, and Odysseus the wiliest.

SOCRATES: O rare Hippias, will you be so good as not to laugh, if I find

a difficulty in following you, and repeat my questions several times

over? Please to answer me kindly and gently.

HIPPIAS: I should be greatly ashamed of myself, Socrates, if I, who

teach others and take money of them, could not, when I was asked by you,

answer in a civil and agreeable manner.

SOCRATES: Thank you: the fact is, that I seemed to understand what you

meant when you said that the poet intended Achilles to be the bravest

of men, and also that he intended Nestor to be the wisest; but when you

said that he meant Odysseus to be the wiliest, I must confess that I

could not understand what you were saying. Will you tell me, and then I

shall perhaps understand you better; has not Homer made Achilles wily?

HIPPIAS: Certainly not, Socrates; he is the most straight-forward of

mankind, and when Homer introduces them talking with one another in the

passage called the Prayers, Achilles is supposed by the poet to say to

Odysseus:--

'Son of Laertes, sprung from heaven, crafty Odysseus, I will speak out

plainly the word which I intend to carry out in act, and which will,

I believe, be accomplished. For I hate him like the gates of death who

thinks one thing and says another. But I will speak that which shall be

accomplished.'

Now, in these verses he clearly indicates the character of the two men;

he shows Achilles to be true and simple, and Odysseus to be wily and

false; for he supposes Achilles to be addressing Odysseus in these

lines.

SOCRATES: Now, Hippias, I think that I understand your meaning; when you

say that Odysseus is wily, you clearly mean that he is false?

HIPPIAS: Exactly so, Socrates; it is the character of Odysseus, as he is

represented by Homer in many passages both of the Iliad and Odyssey.

SOCRATES: And Homer must be presumed to have meant that the true man is

not the same as the false?

HIPPIAS: Of course, Socrates.

SOCRATES: And is that your own opinion, Hippias?

HIPPIAS: Certainly; how can I have any other?

SOCRATES: Well, then, as there is no possibility of asking Homer what

he meant in these verses of his, let us leave him; but as you show a

willingness to take up his cause, and your opinion agrees with what you

declare to be his, will you answer on behalf of yourself and him?

HIPPIAS: I will; ask shortly anything which you like.

SOCRATES: Do you say that the false, like the sick, have no power to do

things, or that they have the power to do things?

HIPPIAS: I should say that they have power to do many things, and in

particular to deceive mankind.

SOCRATES: Then, according to you, they are both powerful and wily, are

they not?

HIPPIAS: Yes.

SOCRATES: And are they wily, and do they deceive by reason of their

simplicity and folly, or by reason of their cunning and a certain sort

of prudence?

HIPPIAS: By reason of their cunning and prudence, most certainly.

SOCRATES: Then they are prudent, I suppose?

HIPPIAS: So they are--very.

SOCRATES: And if they are prudent, do they know or do they not know what

they do?

HIPPIAS: Of course, they know very well; and that is why they do

mischief to others.

SOCRATES: And having this knowledge, are they ignorant, or are they

wise?

HIPPIAS: Wise, certainly; at least, in so far as they can deceive.

SOCRATES: Stop, and let us recall to mind what you are saying; are you

not saying that the false are powerful and prudent and knowing and wise

in those things about which they are false?

HIPPIAS: To be sure.

SOCRATES: And the true differ from the false--the true and the false are

the very opposite of each other?

HIPPIAS: That is my view.

SOCRATES: Then, according to your view, it would seem that the false are

to be ranked in the class of the powerful and wise?

HIPPIAS: Assuredly.

SOCRATES: And when you say that the false are powerful and wise in so

far as they are false, do you mean that they have or have not the power

of uttering their falsehoods if they like?

HIPPIAS: I mean to say that they have the power.

SOCRATES: In a word, then, the false are they who are wise and have the

power to speak falsely?

HIPPIAS: Yes.

SOCRATES: Then a man who has not the power of speaking falsely and is

ignorant cannot be false?

HIPPIAS: You are right.

SOCRATES: And every man has power who does that which he wishes at the

time when he wishes. I am not speaking of any special case in which he

is prevented by disease or something of that sort, but I am speaking

generally, as I might say of you, that you are able to write my name

when you like. Would you not call a man able who could do that?

HIPPIAS: Yes.

SOCRATES: And tell me, Hippias, are you not a skilful calculator and

arithmetician?

HIPPIAS: Yes, Socrates, assuredly I am.

SOCRATES: And if some one were to ask you what is the sum of 3

multiplied by 700, you would tell him the true answer in a moment, if

you pleased?

HIPPIAS: certainly I should.

SOCRATES: Is not that because you are the wisest and ablest of men in

these matters?

HIPPIAS: Yes.

SOCRATES: And being as you are the wisest and ablest of men in these

matters of calculation, are you not also the best?

HIPPIAS: To be sure, Socrates, I am the best.

SOCRATES: And therefore you would be the most able to tell the truth

about these matters, would you not?

HIPPIAS: Yes, I should.

SOCRATES: And could you speak falsehoods about them equally well? I

must beg, Hippias, that you will answer me with the same frankness and

magnanimity which has hitherto characterized you. If a person were to

ask you what is the sum of 3 multiplied by 700, would not you be the

best and most consistent teller of a falsehood, having always the power

of speaking falsely as you have of speaking truly, about these same

matters, if you wanted to tell a falsehood, and not to answer truly?

Would the ignorant man be better able to tell a falsehood in matters

of calculation than you would be, if you chose? Might he not sometimes

stumble upon the truth, when he wanted to tell a lie, because he did

not know, whereas you who are the wise man, if you wanted to tell a lie

would always and consistently lie?

HIPPIAS: Yes, there you are quite right.

SOCRATES: Does the false man tell lies about other things, but not about

number, or when he is making a calculation?

HIPPIAS: To be sure; he would tell as many lies about number as about

other things.

SOCRATES: Then may we further assume, Hippias, that there are men who

are false about calculation and number?

HIPPIAS: Yes.

SOCRATES: Who can they be? For you have already admitted that he who is

false must have the ability to be false: you said, as you will remember,

that he who is unable to be false will not be false?

HIPPIAS: Yes, I remember; it was so said.

SOCRATES: And were you not yourself just now shown to be best able to

speak falsely about calculation?

HIPPIAS: Yes; that was another thing which was said.

SOCRATES: And are you not likewise said to speak truly about

calculation?

HIPPIAS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: Then the same person is able to speak both falsely and truly

about calculation? And that person is he who is good at calculation--the

arithmetician?

HIPPIAS: Yes.

SOCRATES: Who, then, Hippias, is discovered to be false at calculation?

Is he not the good man? For the good man is the able man, and he is the

true man.

HIPPIAS: That is evident.

SOCRATES: Do you not see, then, that the same man is false and also true

about the same matters? And the true man is not a whit better than the

false; for indeed he is the same with him and not the very opposite, as

you were just now imagining.

HIPPIAS: Not in that instance, clearly.

SOCRATES: Shall we examine other instances?

HIPPIAS: Certainly, if you are disposed.

SOCRATES: Are you not also skilled in geometry?

HIPPIAS: I am.

SOCRATES: Well, and does not the same hold in that science also? Is

not the same person best able to speak falsely or to speak truly about

diagrams; and he is--the geometrician?

HIPPIAS: Yes.

SOCRATES: He and no one else is good at it?

HIPPIAS: Yes, he and no one else.

SOCRATES: Then the good and wise geometer has this double power in the

highest degree; and if there be a man who is false about diagrams the

good man will be he, for he is able to be false; whereas the bad is

unable, and for this reason is not false, as has been admitted.

HIPPIAS: True.

SOCRATES: Once more--let us examine a third case; that of the

astronomer, in whose art, again, you, Hippias, profess to be a still

greater proficient than in the preceding--do you not?

HIPPIAS: Yes, I am.

SOCRATES: And does not the same hold of astronomy?

HIPPIAS: True, Socrates.

SOCRATES: And in astronomy, too, if any man be able to speak falsely

he will be the good astronomer, but he who is not able will not speak

falsely, for he has no knowledge.

HIPPIAS: Clearly not.

SOCRATES: Then in astronomy also, the same man will be true and false?

HIPPIAS: It would seem so.

SOCRATES: And now, Hippias, consider the question at large about all

the sciences, and see whether the same principle does not always hold.

I know that in most arts you are the wisest of men, as I have heard you

boasting in the agora at the tables of the money-changers, when you were

setting forth the great and enviable stores of your wisdom; and you said

that upon one occasion, when you went to the Olympic games, all that you

had on your person was made by yourself. You began with your ring, which

was of your own workmanship, and you said that you could engrave rings;

and you had another seal which was also of your own workmanship, and

a strigil and an oil flask, which you had made yourself; you said also

that you had made the shoes which you had on your feet, and the cloak

and the short tunic; but what appeared to us all most extraordinary and

a proof of singular art, was the girdle of your tunic, which, you said,

was as fine as the most costly Persian fabric, and of your own weaving;

moreover, you told us that you had brought with you poems, epic, tragic,

and dithyrambic, as well as prose writings of the most various kinds;

and you said that your skill was also pre-eminent in the arts which

I was just now mentioning, and in the true principles of rhythm and

harmony and of orthography; and if I remember rightly, there were a

great many other accomplishments in which you excelled. I have forgotten

to mention your art of memory, which you regard as your special glory,

and I dare say that I have forgotten many other things; but, as I was

saying, only look to your own arts--and there are plenty of them--and to

those of others; and tell me, having regard to the admissions which

you and I have made, whether you discover any department of art or any

description of wisdom or cunning, whichever name you use, in which the

true and false are different and not the same: tell me, if you can, of

any. But you cannot.

HIPPIAS: Not without consideration, Socrates.

SOCRATES: Nor will consideration help you, Hippias, as I believe; but

then if I am right, remember what the consequence will be.

HIPPIAS: I do not know what you mean, Socrates.

SOCRATES: I suppose that you are not using your art of memory, doubtless

because you think that such an accomplishment is not needed on the

present occasion. I will therefore remind you of what you were saying:

were you not saying that Achilles was a true man, and Odysseus false and

wily?

HIPPIAS: I was.

SOCRATES: And now do you perceive that the same person has turned out to

be false as well as true? If Odysseus is false he is also true, and if

Achilles is true he is also false, and so the two men are not opposed to

one another, but they are alike.

HIPPIAS: O Socrates, you are always weaving the meshes of an argument,

selecting the most difficult point, and fastening upon details instead

of grappling with the matter in hand as a whole. Come now, and I will

demonstrate to you, if you will allow me, by many satisfactory proofs,

that Homer has made Achilles a better man than Odysseus, and a truthful

man too; and that he has made the other crafty, and a teller of many

untruths, and inferior to Achilles. And then, if you please, you shall

make a speech on the other side, in order to prove that Odysseus is the

better man; and this may be compared to mine, and then the company will

know which of us is the better speaker.

SOCRATES: O Hippias, I do not doubt that you are wiser than I am. But I

have a way, when anybody else says anything, of giving close attention

to him, especially if the speaker appears to me to be a wise man. Having

a desire to understand, I question him, and I examine and analyse and

put together what he says, in order that I may understand; but if the

speaker appears to me to be a poor hand, I do not interrogate him, or

trouble myself about him, and you may know by this who they are whom I

deem to be wise men, for you will see that when I am talking with a wise

man, I am very attentive to what he says; and I ask questions of him,

in order that I may learn, and be improved by him. And I could not help

remarking while you were speaking, that when you recited the verses in

which Achilles, as you argued, attacks Odysseus as a deceiver, that you

must be strangely mistaken, because Odysseus, the man of wiles, is

never found to tell a lie; but Achilles is found to be wily on your own

showing. At any rate he speaks falsely; for first he utters these words,

which you just now repeated,--

'He is hateful to me even as the gates of death who thinks one thing and

says another:'--

And then he says, a little while afterwards, he will not be persuaded by

Odysseus and Agamemnon, neither will he remain at Troy; but, says he,--

'To-morrow, when I have offered sacrifices to Zeus and all the Gods,

having loaded my ships well, I will drag them down into the deep; and

then you shall see, if you have a mind, and if such things are a care

to you, early in the morning my ships sailing over the fishy Hellespont,

and my men eagerly plying the oar; and, if the illustrious shaker of the

earth gives me a good voyage, on the third day I shall reach the fertile

Phthia.'

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