The honourable and learned gentleman, however, has supported his

reasoning on this part of the subject by an argument which he

undoubtedly considers as unanswerable--a reference to what would be

his own conduct in similar circumstances; and he tells us that every

landed proprietor in France must support the present order of things

in that country from the same motive that he and every proprietor of

three per cent stock would join in the defence of the constitution of

Great Britain. I must do the learned gentleman the justice to believe

that the habits of his profession must supply him with better and

nobler motives for defending a constitution which he has had so much

occasion to study and examine, than any which he can derive from the

value of his proportion (however large) of three per cents, even

supposing them to continue to increase in price as rapidly as they

have done during the last three years, in which the security and

prosperity of the country has been established by following a system

directly opposed to the counsels of the learned gentleman and his

friends.

The learned gentleman's illustration, however, though it fails with

respect to himself, is happily and aptly applied to the state of

France; and let us see what inference it furnishes with respect to

the probable attachment of moneyed men to the continuance of the

revolutionary system, as well as with respect to the general state

of public credit in that country. I do not, indeed, know that there

exists precisely any fund of three per cents in France, to furnish

a test for the patriotism and public spirit of the lovers of French

liberty. But there is another fund which may equally answer our

purpose--the capital of three per cent stock which formerly existed

in France has undergone a whimsical operation, similar to many

other expedients of finance which we have seen in the course of the

revolution--this was performed by a decree which, as they termed it,

_republicanized_ their debt; that is, in other words, struck off, at

once, two-thirds of the capital, and left the proprietors to take

their chance for the payment of interest on the remainder. This

remnant was afterwards converted into the present five per cent stock.

I had the curiosity very lately to inquire what price it bore in

the market, and I was told that the price had somewhat risen from

confidence in the new Government, and was actually as high as

_seventeen_. I really at first supposed that my informer meant

seventeen years' purchase for every pound of interest, and I began to

be almost jealous of revolutionary credit; but I soon found that he

literally meant seventeen pounds for every hundred pounds capital

stock of five per cent, that is, a little more than three and a half

years' purchase. So much for the value of revolutionary property, and

for the attachment with which it must inspire its possessors towards

the system of government to which that value is to be ascribed!

On the question, Sir, how far the restoration of the French monarchy,

if practicable, is desirable, I shall not think it necessary to say

much. Can it be supposed to be indifferent to us or to the world,

whether the throne of France is to be filled by a prince of the House

of Bourbon, or by him whose principles and conduct I have endeavoured

to develop? Is it nothing, with a view to influence and example,

whether the fortune of this last adventurer in the lottery of

revolutions shall appear to be permanent? Is it nothing whether a

system shall be sanctioned which confirms by one of its fundamental

articles that general transfer of property from its ancient and lawful

possessors, which holds out one of the most terrible examples of

national injustice, and which has furnished the great source of

revolutionary finance and revolutionary strength against all the

Powers of Europe?

In the exhausted and impoverished state of France, it seems for a

time impossible that any system but that of robbery and confiscation,

anything but the continued torture, which can be applied only by the

engines of the revolution, can extort from its ruined inhabitants more

than the means of supporting, in peace, the yearly expenditure of its

Government. Suppose, then, the heir of the House of Bourbon reinstated

on the throne; he will have sufficient occupation in endeavouring, if

possible, to heal the wounds, and gradually to repair the losses, of

ten years of civil convulsion; to reanimate the drooping commerce,

to rekindle the industry, to replace the capital, and to revive the

manufactures of the country. Under such circumstances, there must

probably be a considerable interval before such a monarch, whatever

may be his views, can possess the power which can make him formidable

to Europe; but while the system of the revolution continues, the case

is quite different. It is true, indeed, that even the gigantic and

unnatural means by which that revolution has been supported are so far

impaired; the influence of its principles and the terror of its arms

so far weakened; and its power of action so much contracted and

circumscribed, that against the embodied force of Europe, prosecuting

a vigorous war, we may justly hope that the remnant and wreck of this

system cannot long oppose an effectual resistance. But, supposing the

confederacy of Europe prematurely dissolved: supposing our armies

disbanded, our fleets laid up in our harbours, our exertions relaxed,

and our means of precaution and defence relinquished; do we believe

that the revolutionary power, with this rest and breathing-time

given it to recover from the pressure under which it is now sinking,

possessing still the means of calling suddenly and violently into

action whatever is the remaining physical force of France, under the

guidance of military despotism; do we believe that this power, the

terror of which is now beginning to vanish, will not again prove

formidable to Europe? Can we forget that, in the ten years in which

that power has subsisted, it has brought more misery on surrounding

nations, and produced more acts of aggression, cruelty, perfidy, and

enormous ambition, than can be traced in the history of France for the

centuries which have elapsed since the foundation of its monarchy,

including all the wars which, in the course of that period, have been

waged by any of those sovereigns whose projects of aggrandizement,

and violations of treaty, afford a constant theme of general

reproach against the ancient government of France? And with these

considerations before us, can we hesitate whether we have the best

prospect of permanent peace, the best security for the independence

and safety of Europe, from the restoration of the lawful government,

or from the continuance of revolutionary power in the hands of

Buonaparte?

In compromise and treaty with such a power, placed in such hands as

now exercise it, and retaining the same means of annoyance which it

now possesses, I see little hope of permanent security. I see no

possibility at this moment of concluding such a peace as would justify

that liberal intercourse which is the essence of real amity; no chance

of terminating the expenses or the anxieties of war, or of restoring

to us any of the advantages of established tranquillity; and as

a sincere lover of peace, I cannot be content with its nominal

attainment; I must be desirous of pursuing that system which promises

to attain, in the end, the permanent enjoyment of its solid and

substantial blessings for this country, and for Europe. As a sincere

lover of peace, I will not sacrifice it by grasping at the shadow,

when the reality is not substantially within my reach--_Cur igitur

pacem nolo? Quid infida est, quia periculosa, quia esse non potest_.

If, Sir, in all that I have now offered to the House, I have succeeded

in establishing the proposition that the system of the French

revolution has been such as to afford to foreign Powers no adequate

ground for security in negotiation, and that the change which has

recently taken place has not yet afforded that security; if I have

laid before you a just statement of the nature and extent of the

danger with which we have been threatened; it would remain only

shortly to consider, whether there is anything in the circumstances

of the present moment to induce us to accept a security confessedly

inadequate against a danger of such a description.

It will be necessary here to say a few words on the subject on

which gentlemen have been so fond of dwelling; I mean our former

negotiations, and particularly that at Lisle in 1797. I am desirous of

stating frankly and openly the true motives which induced me to concur

in then recommending negotiation; and I will leave it to the House,

and to the country, to judge whether our conduct at that time was

inconsistent with the principles by which we are guided at present.

That revolutionary policy which I have endeavoured to describe, that

gigantic system of prodigality and bloodshed by which the efforts of

France were supported, and which counts for nothing the lives and the

property of a nation, had at that period driven us to exertions which

had, in a great measure, exhausted the ordinary means of defraying

our immense expenditure, and had led many of those who were the most

convinced of the original justice and necessity of the war, and of the

danger of Jacobin principles, to doubt the possibility of persisting

in it till complete and adequate security could be obtained. There

seemed, too, much reason to believe that, without some new measure to

check the rapid accumulation of debt, we could no longer trust to the

stability of that funding system by which the nation had been enabled

to support the expense of all the different wars in which we have

engaged in the course of the present century. In order to continue our

exertions with vigour, it became necessary that a new and solid system

of finance should be established, such as could not be rendered

effectual but by the general and decided concurrence of public

opinion. Such a concurrence in the strong and vigorous measures

necessary for the purpose could not then be expected but from

satisfying the country, by the strongest and most decided proofs, that

peace on terms in any degree admissible was unattainable.

Under this impression we thought it our duty to attempt negotiation,

not from the sanguine hope, even at that time, that its result could

afford us complete security, but from the persuasion that the danger

arising from peace under such circumstances was less than that of

continuing the war with precarious and inadequate means. The result

of those negotiations proved that the enemy would be satisfied with

nothing less than the sacrifice of the honour and independence of the

country. From this conviction a spirit and enthusiasm was excited in

the nation, which produced the efforts to which we are indebted for

the subsequent change in our situation. Having witnessed that happy

change, having observed the increasing prosperity and security of

the country from that period, seeing how much more satisfactory our

prospects now are than any which we could then have derived from the

successful result of negotiation, I have not scrupled to declare, that

I consider the rupture of the negotiation, on the part of the enemy,

as a fortunate circumstance for the country. But because these are my

sentiments at this time, after reviewing what has since passed, does

it follow that we were, at that time, insincere in endeavouring to

obtain peace? The learned gentleman, indeed, assumes that we were;

and he even makes a concession, of which I desire not to claim the

benefit; he is willing to admit that, on our principles, and our view

of the subject, insincerity would have been justifiable. I know, Sir,

no plea that would justify those who are entrusted with the conduct

of public affairs, in holding out to Parliament and to the nation one

object while they were, in fact, pursuing another. I did, in fact,

believe, at the moment, the conclusion of peace (if it could have been

obtained) to be preferable to the continuance of the war under its

increasing risks and difficulties. I therefore wished for peace; I

sincerely laboured for peace. Our endeavours were frustrated by the

act of the enemy. If, then, the circumstances are since changed, if

what passed at that period has afforded a proof that the object we

aimed at was unattainable, and if all that has passed since has proved

that, if peace had been then made, it could not have been durable, are

we bound to repeat the same experiment, when every reason against it

is strengthened by subsequent experience, and when the inducements,

which led to it at that time, have ceased to exist?

When we consider the resources and the spirit of the country, can

any man doubt that if adequate security is not now to be obtained by

treaty, we have the means of prosecuting the contest without material

difficulty or danger, and with a reasonable prospect of completely

attaining our object? I will not dwell on the improved state of

public credit, on the continually increasing amount (in spite of

extraordinary temporary burdens) of our permanent revenue, on the

yearly accession of wealth to a degree unprecedented even in the most

flourishing times of peace, which we are deriving, in the midst of

war, from our extended and flourishing commerce; on the progressive

improvement and growth of our manufactures; on the proofs which we see

on all sides of the uninterrupted accumulation of productive capital;

and on the active exertion of every branch of national industry, which

can tend to support and augment the population, the riches, and the

power of the country.

As little need I recall the attention of the House to the additional

means of action which we have derived from the great augmentation of

our disposable military force, the continued triumphs of our powerful

and victorious navy, and the events which, in the course of the last

two years, have raised the military ardour and military glory of the

country to a height unexampled in any period of our history.

In addition to these grounds of reliance on our own strength and

exertions, we have seen the consummate skill and valour of the arms

of our allies proved by that series of unexampled success which

distinguished the last campaign, and we have every reason to expect a

co-operation on the Continent, even to a greater extent, in the course

of the present year. If we compare this view of our own situation with

everything we can observe of the state and condition of our enemy; if

we can trace him labouring under equal difficulty in finding men to

recruit his army, or money to pay it; if we know that in the course of

the last year the most rigorous efforts of military conscription were

scarcely sufficient to replace to the French armies, at the end of the

campaign, the numbers which they had lost in the course of it; if

we have seen that the force of the enemy, then in possession of

advantages which it has since lost, was unable to contend with the

efforts of the combined armies; if we know that, even while supported

by the plunder of all the countries which they had overrun, the French

armies were reduced, by the confession of their commanders, to the

extremity of distress, and destitute not only of the principal

articles of military supply, but almost of the necessaries of life: if

we see them now driven back within their own frontiers, and confined

within a country whose own resources have long since been proclaimed

by their successive governments to be unequal either to paying or

maintaining them; if we observe that, since the last revolution, no

one substantial or effectual measure has been adopted to remedy the

intolerable disorder of their finances, and to supply the deficiency

of their credit and resources; if we see, through large and populous

districts of France, either open war levied against the present

usurpation, or evident marks of disunion and distraction, which the

first occasion may call forth into a flame; if, I say, Sir, this

comparison be just, I feel myself authorized to conclude from it,

not that we are entitled to consider ourselves certain of ultimate

success, not that we are to suppose ourselves exempted from the

unforeseen vicissitudes of war; but that, considering the value of

the object for which we are contending, the means for supporting

the contest, and the probable course of human events, we should be

inexcusable if at this moment we were to relinquish the struggle on

any grounds short of entire and complete security against the greatest

danger which has ever yet threatened the world; that from perseverance

in our efforts under such circumstances we have the fairest reason to

expect the full attainment of that object; but that at all events,

even if we are disappointed in our more sanguine hopes, we are more

likely to gain than to lose by the continuation of the contest; that

every month to which it is continued, even if it should not in its

effects lead to the final destruction of the Jacobin system, must

tend so far to weaken and exhaust it as to give us at least a greater

comparative security in any other termination of the war; that on all

these grounds this is not the moment at which it is consistent with

our interest or our duty to listen to any proposals of negotiation

with the present ruler of France; but that we are not therefore

pledged to any unalterable determination as to our future conduct;

that in this we must be regulated by the course of events; and that it

will be the duty of His Majesty's Ministers from time to time to adapt

their measures to any variation of circumstances, to consider how

far the effects of the military operations of the allies, or of

the internal disposition of France, correspond with our present

expectations; and, on a view of the whole, to compare the difficulties

or risks which may arise in the prosecution of the contest, with the

prospect of ultimate success, or of the degree of advantage which may

be derived from its farther continuance, and to be governed by the

result of all these considerations in the opinion and advice which

they may offer to their Sovereign.

[Footnote 1: Mr. Erskine.]

[Footnote 2: Mr. Dundas.]

[Footnote 3: Sweden and Denmark.]

[Footnote 4: Vide Decree of December 15, 1792.]

[Footnote 5: Vide Speeches at the Whig Club.]

[Footnote 6: Vide Speech of Boulay de la Meurthe, in the Council of

Five Hundred, at St. Cloud, 18th Brumaire (9th November), 1799.]

[Footnote 7: Mr. Canning.]

[Footnote 8: Rédacteur Officiel, June 30, 1797.]

[Footnote 9: Vide account of this transaction in the Proclamation of

the Senate of Venice, April 12, 1798.]

[Footnote 10: Vide 'Intercepted Letters from Egypt'.]

[Footnote 11: Vide 'Intercepted Letters from Egypt'.]

GEORGE CANNING

APRIL 30, 1823

NEGOTIATIONS RELATIVE TO SPAIN

I am exceedingly sorry, Mr. Speaker, to stand in the way of any

honourable gentleman who wishes to address the House on this important

occasion. But, considering the length of time which the debate has

already occupied, considering the late hour to which we have now

arrived on the third night of discussion, I fear that my own strength,

as well as that of the House, would be exhausted, if I were longer to

delay the explanations which it is my duty to offer, of the conduct

which His Majesty's Government have pursued, and of the principles by

which they have been guided, through a course of negotiations as

full of difficulty as any that have ever occupied the attention of a

Ministry, or the consideration of Parliament.

If gratitude be the proper description of that sentiment which one

feels towards the unconscious bestower of an unintended benefit, I

acknowledge myself sincerely grateful to the honourable gentleman

(Mr. Macdonald) who has introduced the present motion. Although I

was previously aware that the conduct of the Government in the late

negotiations had met with the individual concurrence of many, perhaps

of a great majority, of the members of this House; although I had

received intimations not to be mistaken, of the general satisfaction

of the country; still, as from the manner in which the papers

have been laid before Parliament, it was not the intention of the

Government to call for any opinion upon them, I feel grateful to the

honourable gentleman who has, in so candid and manly a manner, brought

them under distinct discussion; and who, I hope, will become, however

unwillingly, the instrument of embodying the sentiments of individuals

and of the country into a vote of parliamentary approbation.

The Government stands in a singular situation with respect to these

negotiations. They have maintained peace: they have avoided war. Peace

or war--the one or the other--is usually the result of negotiations

between independent States. But all the gentlemen on the other side,

with one or two exceptions (exceptions which I mention with honour),

have set out with declaring, that whatever the question before the

House may be, it is _not_ a question of peace or war. Now this does

appear to me to be a most whimsical declaration; especially when I

recollect, that before this debate commenced, it was known--it was

not disguised, it was vaunted without scruple or reserve--that the

dispositions of those opposed to Ministers were most heroically

warlike. It was not denied that they considered hostilities with

France to be desirable as well as necessary. The cry 'to arms' was

raised, and caps were thrown up for war, from a crowd which, if not

numerous, was yet loud in their exclamations. But now, when we come

to inquire whence these manifestations of feeling proceeded, two

individuals only have acknowledged that they had joined in the cry;

and for the caps which have been picked up it is difficult to find a

wearer.

But, Sir, whatever may be contended to be the question now before the

House, the question which the Government had to consider, and on which

they had to decide, was--peace or war? Disguise or overshadow it how

you will, that question was at the bottom of all our deliberations;

and I have a right to require that the negotiations should be

considered with reference to that question; and to the decision,

which, be it right or wrong, we early adopted upon that question--the

decision that war was to be avoided, and peace, if possible,

maintained.

How can we discuss with fairness, I might say with common sense, any

transactions, unless in reference to the object which was in the view

of those who carried them on? I repeat it, whether gentlemen in this

House do or do not consider the question to be one of peace or war,

the Ministers could not take a single step in the late negotiations,

till they had well weighed that question; till they had determined

what direction ought to be given to those negotiations, so far as that

question was concerned. We determined that it was our duty, in the

first instance, to endeavour to preserve peace if possible for all the

world: next, to endeavour to preserve peace between the nations whose

pacific relations appeared most particularly exposed to hazard; and

failing in this, to preserve at all events peace for this country; but

a peace consistent with the good faith, the interests, and the honour

of the nation.

I am far from intending to assert that our decision in this respect

is not a fit subject of examination. Undoubtedly the conduct of the

Government is liable to a twofold trial. First, was the object of

Ministers a right object? Secondly, did they pursue it in a right way?

The first of these questions, whether Ministers did right in aiming

at the preservation of peace, I postpone. I will return to the

consideration of it hereafter. My first inquiry is as to the merits

or demerits of the negotiations: and, in order to enter into that

inquiry, I must set out with assuming, for the time, that peace is the

object which we ought to have pursued.

With this assumption, I proceed to examine, whether the papers on the

table show that the best means were employed for attaining the given

object? If the object was unfit, there is an end of any discussion

as to the negotiations;--they must necessarily be wrong from the

beginning to the end; it is only in reference to their fitness for

the end proposed, that the papers themselves can be matter worthy of

discussion.

In reviewing, then, the course of these negotiations, as directed to

maintain, first, the peace of Europe; secondly, the peace between

France and Spain; and lastly, peace for this country, they divide

themselves naturally into three heads:--first, the negotiations at

Verona; secondly, those with France; and thirdly, those with Spain. Of

each of these in their order.

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