FIRST (GENERAL) SESSION

(Thursday, June 27, 2:30 p. m.)

In the absence of the president, the vice-president, Herbert O.

Brigham, state librarian of Rhode Island, called the meeting to order

in, the ball room of the Chateau Laurier.

The VICE-PRESIDENT: Ladies and Gentlemen, we will open the session this

afternoon with the consideration of a general topic, which will be

taken part in by Mr. Dudgeon and by other speakers who will discuss Mr.

Dudgeon's paper. It so happens that this year we have been so fortunate

as to have the article reprinted beforehand in the publication of

the Special Libraries Association, so that doubtless many of you are

already familiar with the paper.

I am going to appoint on the nominating committee Messrs. George W. Lee

of Boston, John A. Lapp of Indianapolis, and Miss E. V. Dobbins of New

York City.

We are very fortunate in having with us to take the main paper for this

opening session a man who has been actively engaged in special library

work for some time in the west, one who is very familiar with the

development of the "Wisconsin idea" of legislative reference work, and

closely associated with Dr. McCarthy in developing that idea.

I take great pleasure in introducing to you Mr. M. S. Dudgeon,

secretary of the Wisconsin library commission, who will talk upon the

subject of "The plan, scope and results of special libraries."

Mr. DUDGEON: Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen--There are those who

maintain that there is no such thing as a special library in a class of

its own, but that what we call a special library is simply a general

reference library which by the needs of its patrons has become somewhat

specialized in its methods and in its equipment. On the other hand,

there are those who maintain that a special library has so distinctly

a different function and purpose, that its scope is so different,

that its equipment is so different, and that the equipment, the

qualities and the characteristics of those who man the library are so

different, as to entitle such an institution to an entirely different

classification; that it is not a general reference library, but a

special library, something entirely different. It seems to me to be

more or less a distinction without a difference, more or less a play

upon words. I have, at the request of the Program Committee, written

down what seemed to me the perfectly obvious things that might be said

about the scope and purposes of the special library. You have the paper

before you as printed in "Special Libraries," and will probably be

fortunate enough to escape some detail, as I will try to shorten this

somewhat in the reading.[13]

[13] Mr. Dudgeon's paper appeared in full in "Special Libraries," June,

1912, pp. 129-133.

The VICE-PRESIDENT: I think we all have a clear understanding of

just what a special library means, and I think we should all notice

especially the allusion that Mr. Dudgeon made to the reference library

as compared to the public library, in the definition of the use of the

book.

I think one of the finest examples of a special librarian one can find

is in our absent president. Dr. Whitten is doubtless one of the best

authorities today on public utilities, and he has this month gone to

London, where he is spending the summer investigating public utilities

for the National Civic Federation. That, I think, accounts for his

absence, and we regret very much that he is not here.

I am going to ask Mr. Josephson of the John Crerar Library, Chicago, to

lead the discussion.

A. G. S. JOSEPHSON: I am afraid that you will not find my paper what

you expected it to be, a discussion of Mr. Dudgeon's paper. When Mr.

Lapp wrote me some time ago to ask if I would not discuss the question,

I began to try to make up my own mind as to what a special library was.

I had made my mental notes on that subject, and when Mr. Dudgeon's

paper came and I read it and undertook to discuss it, it happened that

my own ideas came first.[14]

[14] Mr. Josephson's discussion will appear in a later issue of

"Special Libraries."

The VICE-PRESIDENT: I am going to ask Mr. W. P. Cutter, librarian of

the Engineering Societies of New York City, to contribute either by a

paper or an oral discussion of Mr. Dudgeon's address.

Mr. CUTTER: I do not know that I have anything to offer as a

contribution to the discussion of Mr. Dudgeon's very interesting

paper and Mr. Josephson's very interesting discussion of it. I might,

perhaps, with my usual liking to express things briefly, say that I

consider a special library as one that serves people who are doing

things, and a reference library one which serves people who are

thinking things. The former are not thinking about doing things, they

are already doing them. I think that applies also to people who are

serving as legislators, who are making laws; to sociologists, who are

making attempts to handle crime and other sociological questions. I

believe that the development now in the public library world is in the

direction of service to the public. For twenty-five or twenty-six years

now we have been talking about, first, books, and then about places for

storing books, buildings to put them in, methods of cataloging them,

charging them, of making picture bulletins for children and all that,

and we have finally arrived at a discussion of the methods of serving

the people who are really doing things. It has taken about twenty-five

years to arrive at that point, and I think we are reaching that goal. I

noticed, although I was not present at the meeting this morning, that

in two reports of committees of the American Library Association, an

instrument was mentioned which has been used in one library, at least,

to my knowledge, for the reproduction of material for people who are

doing things, a reproduction of printed material, manuscripts, maps,

drawings, etc. This is the first time that has come up, I think, in a

report in the American Library Association on the reference side.

The VICE-PRESIDENT: I hoped that Dr. McCarthy, the head of the

legislative reference department of the Wisconsin library, and Mr.

Galbreath, former state librarian of Ohio, who is now secretary of the

Constitutional Convention of Ohio, would be present today. In their

absence the discussion is now open to the members, and I hope there

will be a very general and free discussion.

JOHN A. LAPP: I have not very much to say except to emphasize one or

two points which Mr. Dudgeon brought out in his paper. One of those

points is the fact that the material which we deal with in special

libraries is not found in books. In a short experience of only four

years, I think, outside of those references to legal works, to law

periodicals and law books, I have not been able to do one-tenth of

my work from books or from published material. Most of the work, the

real work, which has been done by the legislative reference department

of Indiana has been done through work which we have prepared, which

we have drawn up from the general material scattered here and there

in obscure sources and from letters which we had written to experts

outside. I say scarcely one-tenth, and I do not know but perhaps

that is too liberal. One-tenth of the questions we have been able to

answer from published material. That would seem to me to be the most

distinguishing point about the special library. I believe that the

heads of the industrial libraries, the manufacturing libraries, the

commercial libraries, will agree with me on that point.

The subject of the training of special librarians is the one subject

here upon which there seems to be, thus far, a division of opinion.

I have always believed that the person who has a general knowledge

of the subject, with a library training, is the person who is best

qualified to do the work of a special library. I think that is true

particularly in legislative and municipal reference work; but, on the

other hand, it should be emphasized that if that person did not have a

pretty good knowledge of library work, or if he did not have a pretty

efficient librarian with him, he would make a sorry failure, as Mr.

Dudgeon has suggested. At the same time, I do not believe that the

librarian who is trained as a librarian merely, who loves books and

so on, can get hold of the real vital part of the work in a way that

the person who is using the special library demands. On the whole I am

inclined to believe that the best working arrangement is to have a man

in the library who has a knowledge of the subject matter and a person

who knows something about library work and library training, and then

to have him supplemented by some one who knows the library side of it,

with a bare knowledge of the other subjects, and, working together,

they can bring about a very efficient special library service. That

is the ideal of a special library combination. I think it has worked

out in most cases. But, again, speaking from personal knowledge, I

do not think that I could ever do very much in legislative reference

work if I were a librarian without the other training. Whatever I had

of librarian training, through the school, when I went into the work,

might be placed in very small compass--I haven't told this before

but I will confess now that when I began I knew very little about

librarianship. If my assistants knew that at the time, at any rate,

I have never told It before, but I have learned something about it

since that time. But I think I could have made a better success of

librarianship if I had had more library training. On the other hand,

I do not believe I could have gotten along if I had not had the other

side of the subject more largely. So I agree with Mr. Dudgeon on most

points as to that question; but I would suggest that the person who is

in charge, if he is not fairly well grounded in librarian skill and

librarian art, should have some one with him who would keep him off the

rocks, because he will go on the rocks if he does not have some one to

guide him.

The special library meets a very special need. That has been pointed

out many times. We deal with material that is not in print. We

manufacture it. Many times we must color it with our own opinions.

Some people say that in public affairs, in municipal and legislative

reference work, we should not allow our own personality or our judgment

to enter into the work. I should like to find a librarian who is able

to keep from doing that. If I have knowledge which to me seems certain,

if I know a certain fact and have the information right at hand, I

cannot refrain from telling the person who ought to know that fact; I

cannot refrain from telling him that a certain thing is right, or a

certain thing is wrong. While we must all do it diplomatically, it is

out of the question, I believe, for a man to be efficient as a special

librarian, even in dealing with the public affairs in libraries, to

avoid giving his own opinions on subjects. What is the use of his

getting a knowledge of the subject if he cannot really use it? But he

should use it very discreetly.

The special library was very well described by Mr. Cutter when he said

it was a library for those who do things, while the reference library

is for those people who think of things. This is the age of efficiency.

I believe that the librarian is the efficiency engineer, or ought to be

the efficiency engineer, of the educational world. I think the general

reference librarian ought to be that, and I think the librarian of

the special library, particularly of the manufacturing and industrial

library, can be to a large degree the efficiency expert of such a

concern.

GUY E. MARION: I think the people who are present here would take

a good deal of satisfaction in knowing who the people are that are

actually and most vitally interested in special library work, and

I have analyzed an up-to-date membership list which I hold here in

my hand, of which I should be glad to show copies to any who may

be interested. We have now grown to a group of 224 people who are

interested. That is a growth, roughly, of twenty-five per cent since

our last meeting in New York City. There are four insurance libraries

in the country. There are nineteen people who are interested in public

utilities. There are five financial libraries. There are among the

commercial, technical and scientific libraries (many of which are

in manufacturing concerns), forty-eight. Among the public affairs

libraries, which cover the legislative reference departments of

state libraries as well, there are something like thirty-six. It is

interesting to note that the public libraries have themselves been

sufficiently interested to know what we are doing, so that forty-five

of them have become members of this association, to be in touch, I

presume, with what we are aiming for. There are twenty-nine colleges

and universities interested; and of miscellaneous people whom we can

hardly classify, not knowing where they belong, there are thirty-eight.

In this connection I think it is worth while to say to you, many

of you who frequently change about the country, or are looking for

advancement, that it would not be amiss for you to fill out one of the

little blanks showing your qualifications, the things in which you are

interested. At the present moment I know of the largest automobile

concern in this country, the automobile trust, which is looking for

an active, wide-awake librarian, probably a man. Those opportunities

are coming to the attention of your secretary quite frequently, and we

shall always be glad to have you keep in touch with us by filling out

one of these little blanks. We may be able to readjust you.

The VICE-PRESIDENT: The Secretary has an announcement to make in regard

to city planning.

Mr. MARION: I think it would not be amiss for me to speak of three or

four of our bibliographies. There has been one list published under the

direction of Mr. Meyer of the Library of Congress, called "Selected

list of references on the short ballot," which is easily obtainable at

our headquarters; also a list of references on street railway service

by Robert H. Whitten, our president. There was prepared by Mr. Dana,

"The social questions of today," which is a very useful compilation of

subjects, and institutions and people interested in social questions.

Then, in addition, our May number of "Special Libraries" has published

probably the most remarkable collection of city planning items that

has ever been gathered together. It was done co-operatively between

the Library of Congress and the Department of landscape architecture

of Harvard university. (Here the Secretary read a notice of a later

complete bibliography of City planning which will be published by the

Library of Congress in which a new complete classification scheme for

the arrangement of all the articles will be used.)

I think that the classification alone will be exceedingly useful to

you who ultimately, with the growth of American cities and their rapid

development, are going to be forced to take an interest in the subject

of their re-arrangement. This is going to become more and more a vital

problem, it seems to me, in the future here in America than it ever has

been in the past; and when the final list is published it will consider

not only American experience, but also European, appertaining to that

subject.

GEORGE W. LEE: I should think this might be a good chance for people

to express themselves as to the need of bibliographical matter to go

into "Special libraries," as members who receive "Special Libraries,"

whether they think the trend of articles is about right and to make

suggestions. Possibly it might be some guide to the editorial committee

to know whether the material they are putting in is about right, or

whether there are certain things that might with advantage be inserted.

Then the question comes, are you helping, yourself, to make up these

bibliographies?

The VICE-PRESIDENT: Perhaps Mr. Lapp can speak of the various ways in

which we made the bibliographies, working with the Library of Congress

methods and various others.

Mr. LAPP: That question might properly come up later, but I just

mention at this time that we should be thinking about it, and report

at a later session of this organization, this week. The matter is very

important to us, because we have some difficulty in selecting. We have

some difficulty in knowing just what the members of the association

desire most, and at the present time we have a working arrangement

with a number of people who are supplying things regularly. We should

be glad to enter into arrangements with others if the demand seems to

be great. Just now we have an arrangement with the Public Utilities

Committee, which supplies every two or three months a summary of the

best public utility references of the period before. We also have an

arrangement with the Library of Congress, through Mr. Meyer, by which

we receive a bibliography for every issue, a short bibliography on some

obscure subject, some subject that is not covered in any systematic

bibliography, or not covered adequately; and the desire is to get

questions which would be of the widest interest and at the same time

not conflict with something that has already been published, because

the whole purpose of the Special Libraries Association is to do those

things which nobody else does. If we find that we are doing something

now which somebody else can do better, we should be very glad to

transfer it to them, and merely undertake those things which nobody

else does. We have an arrangement also by which we are going to receive

some of the best references to material on city documents, beginning

with the next issue. That I think will add very materially to the value

of the publication, because city documents, as you know, are now almost

inaccessible for the reason that no one knows that they are published

until they are perhaps out of print, and they cannot be obtained.

I would like to take this opportunity of asking all our friends to

contribute whenever they know of anything that is done or that has

happened regarding a bibliography or in the way of a special locality

that you think should be mentioned, that you send a note to the

editors, or send us a copy of the publication itself. This is purely

a co-operative enterprise, and it is by co-operation that we get the

real value of the work. The hope is to cover the whole country, so that

if a man is working on a subject in Boston some one in San Francisco

can learn about it, and, if he is thinking of doing the same thing,

have him co-operate and perhaps get that thing done better; and any

information which can be given which will facilitate that plan will be

of very great value to the association and be a very great help to the

editors.

Mr. CUTTER: The first statement Mr. Marion made, about obtaining

assistants for the people who need them, is, I think, the most

searching question in connection with special libraries. It seems to me

it would be wise for this association to communicate with graduating

classes of some of our universities and suggest to the members of

those classes well enough in advance that the library profession is

a desirable thing for young men to enter. I think it would be a very

wise thing for this association to take that up, and tell them the

reasons why, and the demand for assistants. At the present time I have

knowledge of several positions, but the specification is made that men

are desired, as most of our business men are so ignorant that they do

not know how efficient women are.

I would say in regard to what Mr. Lapp mentioned, that I have some 250

bibliographies on engineering subjects, some of them too special, but

some of them would, I think, be of general interest, and I will take

the opportunity of sending him a list of these.

The VICE-PRESIDENT: It might be of interest to note what has already

been printed in connection with the Library of Congress, to show the

character of the publications received from that source. You will

recall, for instance, a bibliography on the drinking habit, the short

ballot, on anti-cigarette ordinances and laws, the open shop, public

utility rates, the pardoning power, compulsory voting, preferential

voting, and, finally, city planning, and, also, I might say, one on the

administration of charities and correction boards, a rather technical

subject, which appeared in the April number, 1911.

(There here followed a discussion led by Mr. C. A. George, of

Elizabeth, N. J., in which he asked for information as to the real

purpose of the Special Libraries movement. Mr. Josephson, the

vice-president, and Mr. G. W. Lee, of Stone & Webster, Boston, offered

replies to the questions asked.)

Mr. DUDGEON: My connection with this association was due to this

conception, that in my business, which was legislative work, etc., I

conceived that there was a great deal in books that ought to be brought

to the attention of the people who were doing the work, and I was glad

to join an association whose special function seemed to be to help

one another devise ways and means of getting book knowledge into the

hands of the actual workers. Now, that seems to me to be somewhat of

a distinct proposition. I think Mr. Cutter's definition justifies our

existence. We are specialized in getting knowledge out of books and out

of the experience of others into the hands of workers rather than into

the hands of people who are just thinking about working. It seems to me

that it is quite distinct although hard to distinguish.

Miss LINDHOLM: I believe in the effort to make the business public more

appreciative of the work we are doing, we should write more articles

about our work and our libraries. I think if there were articles

written for the different electrical, engineering, automobile and

manufacturing periodicals it would help a great deal.

Mr. CUTTER: I would suggest, Mr. President, that you can combine all

those periodicals the lady mentions by writing articles for the Wall

Street Journal. That is the place where the people read things.

The VICE-PRESIDENT: The editor of the Wall Street Journal was with us

at our September meeting and gave us a very interesting description

of his own part of the work in connection with the business, and the

information bureau established by the Wall Street Journal. I sometimes

think we fail to note the speed with which that information must be

obtained, either in the reference department or the newspaper. They

will sometimes employ a mere mechanical device to save two minutes in

connection with the information given.

I think Miss Lindholm's suggestion is a very good one and possibly

can be worked out by getting more and more in touch with the trade

periodicals. Many of those trade periodicals are not taken by the

public libraries, are not listed in any indexes of periodicals, and

much of the material afforded there is of unusual value.

Mr. CUTTER: I would suggest that we have a committee on publicity for

the association.

The VICE-PRESIDENT: The committee have a plan to advance for that which

I think they will bring out at the next meeting.

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