CHAPTER IV

LI YUAN HUNG'S AMBITIONS FOR THE NEW CHINA

"We will have no further Manchu rule.

"China must be a Republic founded on lines laid down by the

United States of America. The United States of China must be

opened up with all speed, and for this purpose there must be a

combined effort made with Chinese and foreign capital and Chinese

and foreign labour.

"Confucianism will probably become the national religion, but I

personally favour the doctrine of Christianity being proclaimed

far and wide in China, and of encouraging missionaries to come in

greater numbers to our country.

"I am desirous that the form of government, after the Manchu rule

is abolished, shall not alter very greatly, so that there shall

be no disruption of trade and commerce and of diplomatic

connections of China in the Empire and in foreign countries."

This practically covers the main statement made to myself on Monday,

November 20, 1911, by General Li Yuan Hung, leader of the Revolution

of China. My privilege of interviewing the General was exclusive. I

was given a special pass, and was granted the privilege of going

where I liked in Wuchang, the city where the Revolution broke out,

and doing almost as I pleased, being the first to secure exclusive

conversation with his Excellency since the Revolution had begun.

China's Revolution is one of the most thrilling epochs in the world's

history. Had there been no Li Yuan Hung, whose name to-day, is known

in civilisation everywhere, there would probably have been no

Revolution. History may prove Li Yuan Hung {34} to be the greatest

reformer China has given to the world. To his remarkably sound

administration and his clean example to the people he was leading are

due the changes that have so speedily ushered the New China to full

prominence on the political stage of the East and the West. To rise

from total obscurity in the life of a nation to the highest point of

political fame is rarely given to any man. To change the whole

tendencies of the national life of a people is rarely given to one

man. But no one man ever in history was able to mould anew the

social and political outlook of a quarter of the whole human race, as

did Li Yuan Hung when he led the Chinese Revolution. He proved

himself a man unique in the eyes of the world, the most effective

reformer of his generation of any country.

On the day that I set out to have my talk with Li Yuan Hung, Wuchang,

the capital city, of Hupeh, which had revolted to a man, bore every

evidence of victory; and despite the minor reverses that the

Republican Army had for several days been suffering in their

encounters with the Imperial Army, sent down from Peking under

General Yin Chang to quell the rebellion, I found that in the city

there was infinitely greater hope among the people and infinitely

stronger confidence in their leader than in the early days of the

Revolution. One felt that he was touching the bedrock of humanity,

had come into grips with a people who with one set purpose were going

forward day by day to accomplish the true work of winning back China

for the Chinese. As one passed through the streets, around the

forts, in and out among the men who were with their lives prepared to

buy freedom for Manchu-ridden China, one realised that this part of

the Chinese nation, hitherto as silent as some great sleeping

monster, had suddenly found its voice, and had set out determinedly

to tell the world what it meant to do. Around one was waging civil

war that was to decide the enormous {35} stakes. There had been many

civil wars in the world before--Wars of the Roses and many others

which had had their historical significance--but as one seemed to

gaze out upon a great country like China and a people who go to make

up one-fourth of the human race, slowly was the fact borne in upon

one's mind that this civil war had a significance that perhaps

belonged to none other. It seemed like a war of belief against

unbelief. One felt that he had met men who were concerned only with

the real essence of justice and reform which were to regulate the

deep-reaching interests of four hundred millions of men--one must be

understood as talking about the leaders more particularly. And this

is the most real thing about this people's Revolution--the making of

order and right government. General Li Yuan Hung seemed to be a

great national carpenter, taking now the rough trees, shaping them

into purpose and real use. This was my first impression of the man,

for by his extreme calmness, his practical insight into things--it

was almost impossible to conceive a mere military man capable of such

patience in the midst of extreme mental and physical strain--he was

showing the world that he was a leader born. General Li was a man of

perhaps forty-eight, at first sight giving the impression that he had

developed as an altogether brave and quiet man. As I conversed with

him I could not help noticing again and again the decisive, practical

eye of this leader of the people, how he drove immediately towards

the practical, and had a genuine insight into what was fact and right

and truth. He had an eye to see and a heart to dare. His nature was

strong rather than intense, with his utterances full of sincerity and

of substance.

[Illustration: THE PROVINCIAL ASSEMBLY HALL, WUCHANG. Where General

Li had his headquarters until after the fall of Hanyang.]

I went direct to the Assembly Hall, where the guard received me and

where my foreign visiting-card was taken first to the Foreign Office,

while I was marched to a waiting-room. Around the building there was

a flutter of official life, for from that building the whole {36}

channel of China's history was being changed. Here there were no

tremulous, hesitating, half-hearted men; all was life. Each man,

from the usual underlings who hung about the doorways to the lowest

soldier on guard, from the lowest clerk on the General staff to the

General himself--all men went about their business with a fixity of

purpose that was new to China. There was no disorganisation. All

was quiet and smoothly running. The new Republican flag from many

towers waved triumphantly in the morning wind. On the drill-ground

outside one could hear the blowing of bugles and the clatter of arms

as the regiments were being drilled. Away down in the town, on one,

two, a dozen, twenty pieces of open ground recruits were being licked

into shape. Over on the hills could be heard the blast of cannon and

field-pieces from all directions. The slight whistle of a shell

dropping through the air told one that bombarding from both sides was

going on apace. But in the General's hall no evidence other than the

running hither and thither of dispatch-runners could be seen that war

was waging all around one. No one could listen to General Li Yuan

Hung without developing a great trust in the man. Sometimes his face

lit up with radiance bred only of devout determination, and he had

all along succeeded in infusing that spirit into all the people of

the city in which he had been so long an ordinary military officer.

My reader should not, however, understand me to mean, in my

description of the scene where the Revolution broke out, that a China

freed from all corruption and all the usual Chinese incongruities and

official twistings had suddenly come into being. Any one who has

followed my writings on China generally would, were this the case,

accuse me of the greatest inconsistency. But during those early days

of the Revolution we certainly saw a Chinese official life we had

never seen before. Li's court was at that time the cleanest and the

most hard-working and practical that had been {37} seen at any time

in China's history. That it was not perfect all those who looked on

were quite aware, but it was vastly ahead of the general run of

Chinese civic life.

Soon there came to the waiting-room a smart young officer, wearing

foreign spectacles, in a uniform that had a peculiar mingling of

foreign military and civic dress. He saluted, then bade me follow

him. His business was to show me to the Foreign Office. Here I

decided to make an instant objection, being content with nothing less

than an interview with Li Yuan Hung. So that when, having arrived

inside a large room at the end of the veranda of the second story of

the rectangular building, a rather stout Chinese gentleman in

military undress accosted me, I explained that I had already made

arrangements for an interview with General Li, that I would be

obliged if the proper wheels of office could be set in motion to

allow me to see him, and that as soon as possible. Just at this

point the Chinese in military undress smiled, and quietly said, "Yes,

I am General Li."

Addressing me in English, the General, with gentle Chinese suavity,

told me that his time was at my disposal; that with only an imperfect

hold upon my honourable language he would probably find some

difficulty in telling me accurately what was in his mind, but that

whatever question I put to him he would do his best to answer. Li

Yuan Hung was a handsome Chinese gentleman--about five feet three or

four, queueless, with close-cropped, bristly black hair, eyes

somewhat close set, which at times shone with extraordinary fire, and

a chin that immediately gave evidence of an infinite determination;

were it not for his military bearing, he might readily have been

taken for a prosperous Chinese merchant. He was keen, a leader of

men who did not hesitate a moment. So utterly unlike the ordinary

Chinese official, who leaves the vital points of an interview until

he rises to take his {38} leave, General Li, with eyes beaming, and

slightly raising his hand in his enthusiasm, exclaimed: "Yes, now we

have thirteen out of the eighteen provinces, and our Republican party

is formidable.[1] We have gathered under our new flag many more

provinces in a much shorter time than we had hoped for, an evidence

that China was waiting for the step to be taken to overthrow the

Manchus."

"Why, General Li, did the Revolution break out? Can you tell me

briefly the specific reason you assign for the outbreak to have taken

place so suddenly?"

He smiled slightly as he looked me straightforwardly in the eyes.

"Well, throughout our Empire there had been for years the feeling

that the Manchus would never give us Chinese any justice. They were

pressing us down, and although the Revolution took place sooner than

anticipated, all Chinese knew that it was coming sooner or later. I

personally had formulated no great scheme to take the lead. As a

matter of fact, although I knew all that was going on in the Hupeh

Model Army, I had no intention of taking the lead, nor of occupying

the position in which you find me to-day. The time planned for the

Revolution would probably have been later. China was waiting for the

man to rise up who would strike. None of the leaders of the

Revolution--of our new Republic--were anxious that there should be

great slaughter--the only wish was that the Manchu rule should be

abolished for ever. And since I have been the leader of the Republic

I have done my best that as little loss of life as possible might be

incurred."

"Are you quite sure that the Revolution will be permanently

successful, that all China will become loyal to the Republican flag?"

"Loyal!" exclaimed Li, with the joviality of a boy, {39} then his

face was closer knit again. "There is no doubt whatever. We have

thirteen provinces, with the armies of all those provinces; we have

the Chinese Navy, part at Hankow, part at Nanking,[2] sent there to

aid in the attack, and part at Shanghai. We control the Yangtsze."

But the General dismissed the question of loyalty to the Republic as

not being worthy of notice, adding that it was merely a matter of

time for China to be knit together with a great overpoweringly strong

patriotism which would have no equal in the Eastern or Western world.

Then he continued: "My personal desire would be to see every province

a free province, with its own Assembly, but controlled by one great

national governmental body. We shall take our pattern from the

United States of America, having a President to control our

provincial assemblies--just like America," he added curtly.

"How often would you elect a President? In China, unopened as it is,

with no communication, do you not think it would be more difficult to

organise elections and matters of a national character than it is in

the States?" I asked.

"Every four, five, six, or even ten years. Our President, if we got

the right man, might be in office for ten years for that matter. At

all events, this is my personal opinion, but this, with many other

matters, would come up for decision at the first assembly, and it is

my desire not unduly to influence that body."

"Who do you think you would ask to become the President--Yuan Shih

K'ai perhaps?" I asked.

"Ah, no," came the quick rejoinder. For some considerable time Li

Yuan Hung had been endeavouring to persuade Yuan Shih K'ai to come

over to the Revolutionary party and assume control of the formation

of {40} the Republic; but his efforts had met only with a stubborn

refusal by Yuan. "We must push out the Manchus. Yuan Shih K'ai will

not, I believe, become our President."

His Excellency stopped talking at this point, and I waited in vain to

hear more about Yuan. After a moment I suggested: "But Yuan Shih

K'ai is one of your great friends, is he not?"

"No, I do not call Yuan Shih K'ai a friend. He is known to me

personally, but I do not know much about him or of the ambition he

now has with China. You see, he will not listen to me."

"True, but the foreign newspapers are saying that Yuan Shih K'ai,

because he is your personal friend, will become the first President."

"Are they? I did not know. Well, perhaps Yuan Shih K'ai would rise

very high in the Republican party, but he has shown his determination

merely to sit on the fence waiting for the result." And General Li

held up his hands and rocked to and fro in his chair to make his

meaning clear.

"Who are your political associates at this time?"

His Excellency, at first not seeming to understand my meaning, said

that he had none, but afterwards told me that his _great_ friend was

Admiral Sah. The subsequent references which he made to the Admiral

were touching. "He is my _teacher_!" he affectionately exclaimed.

"He is now gone to Shanghai, but after the fighting is over he will

come to advise the Republic on naval matters. Admiral Sah is a good

man, his heart is very warm." In further conversation General Li

declared that they had now the strongest men in the country, and the

men who had not turned were hardly worth the having. He paid

eulogistic references to the statesmanship of Wu Ting Fang, several

of the Ministers of the old Government, whom he hoped to retain in

office, and to Sun Yat Sen especially.

Continuing, the General said his idea was that China's {41} foreign

representatives should be retained, and that in no way was he

desirous of altering the representation anywhere, in China or out of

it, if officials were willing to serve--granted, of course, that

their retention in office gave satisfaction and they were returned by

public vote. "We wish to retain all who will work conscientiously

for China's welfare, so that there shall be no disruption of trade

and commerce or of China's diplomatic connections all over the world.

Roughly, the scheme that I should favour would be:--

"1. Expulsion of the Manchus outside the Great Wall to Mongolia

(excepting those who are willing to join the Republican party).

"2. Establishment of a Republic on lines after the style of America,

with exclusive government for each State and one great National

Assembly.

"With these points decided, we shall be able to call together all

popular reformers from all the provinces and form our Government.

But this will be the time that I shall resign."

At this juncture of the conversation the General looked wistfully out

of the window, speaking almost to himself. By then, he said, he

should have accomplished his part for the winning of China back into

the hands of her own people, and he should throw the cloak of control

on to other shoulders. His quiet, unostentatious manner as he

proceeded humbly to compare his own powers with other men in China

showed a spirit of true greatness. Here was the hero of China, the

man above all men who had guided her public life into safe channels

and upon whom the eyes of the diplomatic, social, and political world

were riveted--and he was talking of giving way to better men.

Presently, as if coming out of a reverie, he turned towards me again,

smiling heartily, as I suggested that that would probably not be

allowed. But he was determined.

"No, there can be no place for me; I am a military {42} man, but

China has many better administrators. We have plenty of men." And

then he added, as an afterthought, "Of course, if they want me, they

can always have me." And he smacked the table as if he had joked

unconsciously.

And although I tried to impress upon his Excellency the fact that had

there been no General Li there would probably have been no such

success as was attending the Revolution, he would have none of it.

He preferred to wander on in confidential tones, telling me that his

personal wishes were not to be taken into account at all. What he

personally was anxious to do was to control the initial stages of

winning over the country; then his part was the planning of the

defences and the organisation of the military; after that whatever

the new Government wished him to do he would endeavour faithfully to

carry out, not for his own sake but for the sake of the country of

which he was proud and which he loved.

He did not seem inclined to enter into conversation much about the

monarchical style of government which many declare more favourable to

China as a country which had always looked to one head, the Emperor,

as the Son of Heaven. Referring to England and comparing that

country with the United States, Li Yuan Hung said that the style of

the Monarchical Government of England was best for her people, but he

did not believe it to be the best for the Chinese; and now that China

was breaking away from all old systems and customs he thought the

Republican control better suited to China's needs. In the course of

conversation I attempted to raise several questions which would

probably go against the establishing of a Republic when the Senate

met, but General Li did not pursue the conversation, and seemed

disinclined to talk until I mentioned the religion of the country,

quoting the annual Sacrifice at the Temple of Heaven--how would that

be carried out? Then again his eyes shone. He came {43} closer to

me, raised his hand a little as if to convince me in what he was

going to say, and spoke slowly:--

"All sacrifices will probably be stopped, but the religion of the

people will be Confucianism."

"But Confucianism is not a religion. Do you not think, General Li,

that Christianity will become more popular among the people as the

country is opened up more?"

"Oh, yes, missionaries are our friends. Jesus is better than

Confucius, and I am strongly in favour of more missionaries coming to

China to teach Christianity and going to interior provinces. We

shall do all we can to assist missionaries, and the more missionaries

we get to come to China the greater will the Republican Government be

pleased."

The General then went on in very simple language to say that he was

personally very pleased with all the labours of the missionaries, and

that China would not be to-day were it not for the missionaries, who

had gone into out-of-the-way places and opened up the country.

"But as a matter of fact we feel that we want as many foreigners to

come to China as possible. The opening up of the country can only

properly be accomplished by the united efforts of Chinese and

foreigners, and in this new Republic we realise that it is only by

mingling more freely with the other nations of the world that China

will have her resources developed. Of our military and navy, our

defences, our schools and colleges I have no fear, but one of the

most important items in our Republican programme is that which will

enable us to develop our wealth."

"Well, will you be in favour of granting concessions to foreign

syndicates for the development of mines and so on?"

"I do not think so. It is impossible for me to say what will be

done, but my personal wish would be freely to combine foreign capital

with Chinese capital {44} and labour." But the General, at this

moment turning abruptly towards a staff officer who brought him a

dispatch from the battlefield, announced, "But we shall have foreign

advisers, and all such matters as this would be decided later." And

he added forcefully, "We must consolidate the whole of China--that is

the main thing."

"You spoke of foreign loans just now. There will be need for foreign

loans now more than ever?"

"Yes, we shall need more foreign money and more foreigners in the

employ of our Republican Government; but my party is convinced that

there will be no difficulty in getting all the assistance, financial

and otherwise, from the Powers. Already America has telegraphed her

good wishes, and the time will come when the two greatest republics

in the world will be on the most friendly footing--probably China

will drift more towards America and learn more from her than from any

other country."

"As regards business, do you think that Hankow will benefit in trade

from the Revolution?"

The General pondered for a moment, thoughtfully putting his thumb and

finger to his chin. He hesitated briefly, then declared straight out

that he thought Hankow would become, perhaps, the biggest city in

Asia.

In concluding our conversation, Li Yuan Hung told me that he had been

to Japan for one year only, that he had five children (two boys and

three girls), that he was a native of Hwangpi in Hupeh, and that when

his children were old enough he would send them away for their

education.

"Where to?"

"To America," came the reply, and a happy smile with it. After

wishing me goodbye, General Li, still holding my hand, said:--

"One word more before you go." He placed his left hand on my

shoulder, bent his body slightly towards {45} me. "Please do not

forget to say that this Revolution took place because the Manchus

were so unfair to the Chinese--for no other reason."

He then bade me farewell, and I departed.

* * * * *

This interview is given _in extenso_ because of its vital bearing

upon the general attitude of the Republican party at the present

moment. Events have transpired slightly to throw some of Li Yuan

Hung's ambitions to the ground, but the views he held may be taken as

the general aims of the party that is headed by Sun Yat Sen to-day.

As my manuscript goes forward to the publishers it is a matter of

impossibility accurately to predict what the outcome of China's

Revolution will be. It may be a Republic; it may be a Monarchy. Be

the form of government what it may, however, there will remain in the

eyes of every patriotic Chinese but one General Li, and his views on

the political situation and the needs of his great country, at the

time when her national pendulum tremulously ticked out issues of the

highest import, will have a permanent interest for all students of

affairs in China.[3]

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[1] This was only a month after the Revolution had broken out. The

reader will learn later on in this volume of the changes following

along in the ensuing months.

[2] Nanking, the city now planned by the Republican party as the

capital, after a most stubborn resistance, fell to the Revolutionary

Army a fortnight afterwards.

[3] Li Yuan Hung at the time of the Revolution was forty-eight years

old. His birthplace was a village in the north of Huangpi, not many

miles from the scenes that made him famous. "Li Yuan Hung" was his

official name; his friends were permitted to address him as "Li Sung

Ching." His father was a soldier before him--Colonel Li Tsao Hsiang.

In the year 1882, at the age of eighteen, Li the younger passed the

entrance examination of the Tientsin Naval College, and after a

course of six years he graduated. Soon after the war with Japan he

was engaged by Chang Chih Tung, then Viceroy of Nanking, to fortify

that city with modern guns, and was also made commander of an

important pass near Nanking. In the year 1894 he followed Chang Chih

Tung to Hupeh, and was commissioned to train the new army with the

aid of a German instructor for three years. He was then sent to

Japan to gain experience in defence work. After two years he

returned to Wuchang, and was appointed Major of a Cavalry Brigade.

In 1902 he was in command of the Kiangyin Navy and Army manoeuvres.

Next year he took command of the Infantry Fourth Advance Guard. Two

years later he became commander of the Second Division. As soon as

the new army was organised he was promoted to be Colonel of the 21st

Mixed Brigade, superintending the naval forces in the Yangtze Valley,

the Military Academy and four departments of the Hanyang Arsenal, and

the Army College. In the same year (1905) he was elected Provisional

Commander of the Changte manoeuvres. He led his Mixed Brigade in the

year 1911 to join the Autumn Manoeuvres at Taihu. On October 10,

1911, General Li joined the Revolution, as will be seen hereafter,

and was elected Military Governor of Hupeh.

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