M. HERZOG: You asked for that?

SAUCKEL: Yes, I asked for that in the interests of my tasks.

M. HERZOG: And do you not remember that on other occasions, the

Defendant Speer likewise asked that his powers should be increased at

the expense of yours?

SAUCKEL: Yes, that might have happened also.

M. HERZOG: You declared in your interrogatory that the very close

relations between Speer and Goebbels after the fall of Stalingrad made

Speer want particularly to have you under his authority. Can you confirm

this?

SAUCKEL: Yes.

M. HERZOG: Is it true that your general program for recruiting labor

included the employment of prisoners of war?

SAUCKEL: The employment of prisoners of war as far as they should and

could be put to work under the care of the Wehrmacht.

M. HERZOG: Do you remember the decree which we mentioned this morning,

your Decree Number 10, which stipulated the order of priority of work

and gave priority to armament? Was this order applicable to prisoners of

war as well?

SAUCKEL: As I explained yesterday, this decree was applicable to

prisoners of war only by way of exchange, and to the extent as set forth

in the rules of work issued by the OKW and by me in a catalog of work.

M. HERZOG: But Article 8 of this decree stipulates only that it was

applicable to prisoners of war.

SAUCKEL: Yes, in accordance, of course, with the other decrees which

existed; that was a matter of course.

M. HERZOG: You spoke to us yesterday about inspectorates. Is it true

that in September 1943 you came to an agreement with Dr. Ley concerning

the setting up of a central inspectorate for foreign workers?

SAUCKEL: Yes, for the purposes of their welfare.

M. HERZOG: In consequence, you admit that you are responsible for the

measures concerning the treatment of foreign workers?

SAUCKEL: I am responsible for the directives which I issued; they are

all available.

M. HERZOG: Do you consider yourself responsible for the feeding of

foreign workers?

SAUCKEL: I consider myself responsible for the directives which I issued

regarding the feeding of foreign workers. The actual feeding of these

people was not the task and responsibility of the labor authorities.

That was the responsibility of the factories, or the camp leaders who

had been charged by the factories to look after this.

M. HERZOG: I am going to have submitted to you Document Number 025-PS.

This document was submitted to the Tribunal under Exhibit Number

USA-698. You already had it yesterday. It consists of the report of a

meeting in the office of the Plenipotentiary General for the Allocation

of Labor—that is to say, you yourself—on 3 September 1942. The

document is dated 4 September.

This document, Mr. President, is at the end of my document book, after

Document F-827, the last page of the French translation. I read:...

THE PRESIDENT: The last page is Document F-857, is it not? The document

called 857—the last page I have got. It is just in front of Document

2200-PS. Did you come across that? It is just after Document 1913-PS.

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