M. HERZOG: Very well.

I submit to the Tribunal Document Number F-827, under Exhibit Number

RF-1518. These are instructions of the Defendant Sauckel for the

formation of these special police forces. The document consists of

several sets of instructions. On Page 6, there is an order of 25 January

1944 by the Defendant Sauckel.

THE PRESIDENT: Where is it?

M. HERZOG: On Page 6, immediately after Document 1292 in my document

book, you will find the instructions of the Defendant Sauckel. I read:

“Berlin, 25 January 1944. Secret.

“Subject: Formation of a protection corps for the execution of

the tasks of the Allocation Of Labor in France and in Belgium

during the year 1944.

“1) To the Military Commander in France, Paris.

To the Military Commander for Belgium and Northern France,

Brussels.

“In order to secure the carrying out of the necessary tasks of

the Allocation of Labor in Belgium and France, especially the

assignments for Germany, and to strengthen the executive, a

protective corps, the Committee for Social Peace, is to be

created in France and Belgium. This protective corps is to

consist of indigenous forces with a nucleus of German police who

will act as leaders. This protective corps will consist of

approximately 5,000 men in France, and approximately 1,000 men

in Belgium. I give the following provisional instructions for

the formation of this protective corps and the accomplishment of

its tasks:

“I. Selection of members of the Protective Corps.

“The selection shall be made in close agreement with the

competent Police and SD offices, which shall approve the

candidates, especially from the point of view of their loyalty.

The selection shall be made especially among the members of

political movements favorably disposed to collaboration with

Germany.

“II. Organization of the Protective Corps.

“The Protective Corps will be directed from central offices to

be set up in Paris and Brussels. The heads of these offices

shall be designated by me.”—That is to say, by you, Defendant

Sauckel.—“They shall take orders from my delegates in France.

In purely police questions, the Protective Corps shall be

directed by the Higher SS and Police Leader. The regional groups

of the Protective Corps shall take orders from the commanders of

German police forces, and the latter will receive technical

directions from the Feldkommandantur and from the recruiting

offices as to their participation in tasks concerning the

Allocation of Labor. The German Police and the services of the

SD will deal with instruction in police matters; technical

training, as far as the Allocation of Labor is concerned, will

be given insofar as is necessary by the experts of the

Feldkommandantur and the recruiting offices.

“The members of the Protective Corps will not wear uniform; they

will however, carry firearms.

“III. Execution of orders.

“The members of the Protective Corps assigned to the recruiting

offices or to the Feldkommandantur shall be employed in such a

way as to insure maximum efficiency in the execution of measures

ordered. For example, they must be informed immediately if

Frenchmen who have been summoned by German offices do not

appear. They must find out the domiciles of these persons and

bring them to report in accordance with instructions from the

German police leader in collaboration with the French and German

police. Furthermore, they must track down immediately all those

who have refused to appear when summoned, and those who have

broken their contracts. In the interests of an effective

executive, it is expedient that they receive regularly lists of

persons summoned and persons liable for service, to enable them

to act immediately in cases where German directives have not

been complied with.

“It is to be presumed that these quick methods, coupled with

fitting punishment and immediate publication of the punishments,

will have a more deterrent effect than that achieved by tracking

down the men afterwards, as has been done up to now.

Furthermore, members of the Protective Corps are to keep the

German offices informed of any particular difficulties in

recruitment....”

And all that, Defendant, is signed “Sauckel.” Do you still claim that

you did not form a special police corps in France and Belgium?

SAUCKEL: I already told my attorney yesterday that in agreement with

French organizations such a protective corps was set up, so that on the

one hand people who wanted to work could be protected, and on the other

hand administrative measures could be carried out. Since the Frenchmen

themselves declared that they were ready and willing to collaborate, I

did not see anything unfavorable in this or anything that was in any way

out of order.

It was to alleviate the conditions of the indigenous people themselves.

M. HERZOG: I ask you to answer my question “yes” or “no.” Do you admit

that you set up this special police service?

SAUCKEL: I admit that I suggested this Protective Corps, and that it was

set up, but only on a small scale.

M. HERZOG: Is it true that you issued instructions, or imposed measures

of constraint against those who evaded the compulsory labor service?

SAUCKEL: I did not issue them myself, but rather the French Government

did. That is correct; for in every occupied territory—and that is true

the whole world over—the authority of the occupying power must be

respected.

M. HERZOG: Is it true that you demanded that the death penalty should be

applied to officials who, for instance, hindered your action?

SAUCKEL: It is true that at a conference with the French Premier Laval,

I demanded, by way of negotiations, the death penalty in cases of very

serious obstruction.

M. HERZOG: Then you admit that you demanded the application of the death

penalty in the case of these officials?

SAUCKEL: Yes, if a serious case of sabotage was in question—according

to martial law.

M. HERZOG: Is it true that your task was to procure for the German war

industry the labor it required?

SAUCKEL: That was one of my tasks.

M. HERZOG: In this respect were you responsible to the Defendant Speer,

Minister for Armaments and Munitions, for the carrying out of your task?

SAUCKEL: I was responsible to the Four Year Plan and to the Führer, and

I had instructions from the Führer to meet the requirements of Reich

Minister Speer as far as it was possible for me to do so.

M. HERZOG: Did the Defendant Speer approve of all the steps which you

took in recruiting foreign labor?

SAUCKEL: At all events he agreed, or he demanded, that workers should be

put at his disposal. Sometimes, however, we did not entirely agree as to

how it should be done; for instance, we did not agree about the

protected factories in France.

M. HERZOG: We will come to that later. I ask you to tell me whether you

always succeeded in satisfying the demands for workers which were made

to you by the different sections of German industry?

SAUCKEL: No, I was not always successful.

M. HERZOG: And when you failed, did the orders that were sent to you by

Defendant Speer have to have priority over all others?

SAUCKEL: Yes, they had to have priority.

M. HERZOG: Were there not incidents in this respect? For instance, did

it not happen that some transports of workers were diverted from their

original destination on instructions from Defendant Speer?

SAUCKEL: It did happen that, contrary to my instructions, labor

transports were stopped, or transferred to other regions or to other

factories. But whether the order always emanated from Herr Speer, or

from an armament commission, or from another office, I do not know. It

was not always from the same quarter.

M. HERZOG: In your interrogatory you declared, however, that the

original destination of these transports was sometimes changed in order

to satisfy the demands of Speer’s offices. Do you confirm this?

SAUCKEL: Yes; but I meant by that something rather different. In that

case I was informed about it. There were two kinds of changes, or

deviations: those which I did not know about, and those which were

agreed upon.

M. HERZOG: Will you tell the Tribunal what was understood by the “red

ticket” system?

SAUCKEL: The red ticket system was applied when there was a demand for

workers, mostly specialized or skilled workers, which had to take

priority over all other demands because the work was necessary.

M. HERZOG: The system of the red ticket was applied to the armament

industry, was it not?

SAUCKEL: The red ticket system was applied to the armament industry...

M. HERZOG: And it was established by agreement between the Defendant

Speer and yourself?

SAUCKEL: That was a system which, in my opinion, was always intended to

meet emergencies; there were variations, such as lists or red tickets.

Originally, there were only lists, and the red ticket was added by

decree.

M. HERZOG: You therefore admit that by these various systems you share

with the Defendant Speer the responsibility of having compelled workers

to work in German factories for the needs of the war which Germany was

fighting against their own native lands?

SAUCKEL: I should like to emphasize particularly that this red ticket

system did not apply only to foreign workers; it applied especially to

German workers too—German skilled workers.

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