M. HERZOG: That is correct, Mr. President.

[_Turning to the defendant._] I ask you whether you recognize that this

document establishes the fact that you requested troop units?

SAUCKEL: As far as this question is concerned I cannot answer precisely,

for I personally did not receive this letter. Instead it was sent to

Paris, to the office there. This letter is not initialed by me. But in

order to clarify my position, I should like to emphasize specifically

that I did not demand troops in order to recruit workers. I asked for

troops when in certain areas the administrative procedure could not be

carried through because of resistance activities, _et cetera_. In that

connection there is an error in this letter of Field Marshal Von

Rundstedt. But I did not receive this reply myself. It is initialed by

the office of the military commander in Paris.

M. HERZOG: I submit Document F-824, which I hand to the Tribunal as

Exhibit RF-1515. This Document F-824 is a letter from the Commander of

the West, from his headquarters, dated 25 July 1944. I quote:

“One can conclude from this that on the order of the Führer, and

after the abrogation of all contrary decrees, the desires of the

Plenipotentiary General for the Allocation of Labor...”

This Plenipotentiary General for the Allocation of Labor is you

yourself; is that not so?

“...and of Reich Minister Speer must in principle be carried

out. Following my telegraphic communication, on the basis of the

conference of ministers of 11 July in the Reich Chancellery,

concerning which the Commander of the West will be informed by

the military commander, the following directives are in force

from now on:

“Without taking into account justified misgivings concerning

security and order within the country, recruiting must start

everywhere where the possibilities referred to in my telegram

present themselves. As an only exception the Führer has decided

that in the actual fighting zone no methods of coercion will be

used against the population as long as the latter are helpful to

the Wehrmacht. On the other hand, the recruiting of volunteers

among refugees from the combat zones is to be handled

energetically. Moreover, all means will be considered justified,

in order to recruit as much labor as possible from elsewhere by

means at the disposal of the Wehrmacht.”

Do you again deny that at your request, and at that of Reich Minister

Speer, troop units carried out the recruiting of labor?

SAUCKEL: I should like to remark in this connection that I do not

dispute what has just been described. At that time the

commander-in-chief was under the stress of battle and the evacuation of

the population. But I can testify that after the date of 25 July 1944

these things did not apply any longer, for the withdrawal of German

troops was much too rapid; so that this decree, which had been issued by

the Führer, was no longer in effect.

M. HERZOG: Do you remember the conference, the ministers’ conference of

11 July 1944, to which the document I have just read refers?

SAUCKEL: Yes, I recall it.

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