As the film is placed across the aperture of the camera, and

the shutter is opened, light comes through and exposes the

film only in the opening within the edges. Where the film is

out over the edges of the aperture it is not exposed, and your

result is an exposed negative with a clear edge, and on the

negative then, the edges of that exposure of the photograph,

are actually shadowgraphs of the edges of the aperture.[A10-400]

The basis of the identification is that the microscopic characteristics

of every film-plane aperture, like those of a rifle barrel, are

distinctive, for much the same reason; that is, when the camera is

manufactured, certain handwork is done which differs microscopically

from camera to camera, and further differences accrue as the camera is

used. As Shaneyfelt testified:

Q. Mr. Shaneyfelt, what is the basis of your statement, the

theoretical basis of your statement, that every camera with

this type of back aperture arrangement is unique in the

characteristics of the shadowgraph it makes on the negative?

Mr. SHANEYFELT. It is because of the minute variations that

even two cameras from the same mold will have. Additional

handwork on cameras, or filing the edges where a little bit

of plastic or a little bit of metal stays on, make individual

characteristics apart from those that would be general

characteristics on all of them from the same mold.

In addition, as the film moves across the camera and it is

used for a considerable length of time, dirt and debris tend

to accumulate a little--or if the aperture is painted, little

lumps in the paint will make little bumps along that edge that

would make that then individually different from every other

camera.

Q. Is this similar then to toolmark identification?

Mr. SHANEYFELT. Very similar; yes.[A10-401]

Based on his examination of the shadowgraph on the negative, Commission

Exhibit No. 749, Shaneyfelt determined that it had been taken with the

Imperial camera.[A10-402]

Three edges of the shadowgraph of the film-plane aperture were also

visible on one of the photographs of General Walker’s house, not having

been blocked out in the making of the print. On the basis of these

three margins, Shaneyfelt determined that this photograph had also

been taken with Oswald’s Imperial Reflex camera. Shaneyfelt could not

determine whether 133-A had been photographed with the Imperial camera,

because the negative of 133-A had not been found, and the print itself

did not show a shadowgraph area.[A10-403]

During his interrogations Oswald had been shown 133-A, and had claimed

it was a composite--that the face in the picture was his, but the body

was not.[A10-404] Shaneyfelt examined 133-A and 133-B to determine if

they were composite pictures. He concluded that they were not:

* * * it is my opinion that they are not composites. Again

with very, very minor reservation, because I cannot entirely

eliminate an extremely expert composite. I have examined many

composite photographs, and there is always an inconsistency,

either in lighting of the portion that is added, or the

configuration indicating a different lens used for the part

that was added to the original photograph, things many times

that you can’t point to and say this is a characteristic, or

that is a characteristic, but they have definite variations

that are not consistent throughout the picture.

I found no such characteristics in this picture.

In addition, with a composite it is always necessary to make a

print that you then make a pasteup of. In this instance paste

the face in, and rephotograph it, and then retouch out the area

where the head was cut out, which would leave a characteristic

that would be retouched out on the negative and then that would

be printed.

Normally, this retouching can be seen under magnification in

the resulting composite--points can be seen where the edge of

the head had been added and it hadn’t been entirely retouched

out.

This can nearly always be detected under magnification. I found

no such characteristics in these pictures.

Q. Did you use the technique of magnification in your analysis?

A. Yes.[A10-405]

Furthermore, the negative, Commission Exhibit No. 749, showed

absolutely no doctoring or composition.[A10-406] Since the negative

was made in Oswald’s Imperial camera, Commission Exhibit No. 750, a

composite of 133-B could have been made only by putting two pictures

together and rephotographing them in the Imperial camera--all without

leaving a discernible trace. This, to Shaneyfelt, was “in the realm of

the impossible”:

In addition, in this instance regarding 133-B which I have just

stated, I have identified as being photographed or exposed in

the camera which is Exhibit 750, for this to be a composite,

they would have had to make a picture of the background with

an individual standing there, and then substitute the face,

and retouch it and then possibly rephotograph it and retouch

that negative, and make a print, and then photograph it with

this camera, which is Commission Exhibit 750, in order to have

this negative which we have identified with the camera, and is

Commission Exhibit 749.

This to me is beyond reasonable doubt, it just doesn’t

seem that it would be at all possible, in this particular

photograph.[A10-407]

* * * * *

Q. You have the negative of this? [Referring to Exhibit 133B.]

A. We have the negative of 133B.

Q. You have the negative of 133B. That negative in itself shows

no doctoring or composition at all?

A. It shows absolutely no doctoring or composition.

Q. So that the only composition that could have been made would

have been in this process which you have described of picture

on picture and negative and then photographing?

A. And then finally rephotographing with this camera.

Q. Rephotographing with this camera, this very camera?

A. That is correct, and this then, to me, becomes in the realm

of the impossible.[A10-408]

Following the assassination, photographs similar to 133-A appeared

in a number of newspapers and magazines.[A10-409] At least some of

these photographs, as reproduced, differed both from 133-A and from

each other in minor details.[A10-410] Shaneyfelt examined several of

these reproductions and concluded that in each case the individual

publisher had taken a reproduction of 133-A and retouched it in various

ways, apparently for clarifying purposes, thus accounting for the

differences between the reproductions and 133-A, and the differences

between the reproductions themselves.[A10-411] Subsequently one of

the publishers involved submitted the original photographs which it

had retouched. Shaneyfelt’s examination of this photograph confirmed

his original conclusion.[A10-412] The remaining publishers either

confirmed that they had retouched the photographs they had used, or

failed to contradict Shaneyfelt’s testimony after having been given an

opportunity to do so.[A10-413]

APPENDIX XI

Reports Relating to the Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald at the

Dallas Police Department

As discussed in chapters IV and V, Lee Harvey Oswald was interrogated

for a total of approximately 12 hours between 2:30 p.m. on Friday,

November 22, 1963, and 11:15 a.m. on Sunday, November 24, 1963. There

were no stenographic or tape recordings of these interviews. Several of

the investigators present at one or more of the interrogation sessions,

prior to testifying before the Commission, had prepared memoranda

setting forth their recollections of the questioning of Oswald and his

responses. The following are the most important of these reports.

REPORT OF CAPT. J. W. FRITZ, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT

INTERROGATION OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD

We conducted the investigation at the Texas Book Depository Building

on November 22, 1963, immediately after the President was shot and

after we had found the location where Lee Harvey Oswald had done the

shooting from and left three empty cartridge cases on the floor and the

rifle had been found partially hidden under some boxes near the back

stairway. These pieces of evidence were protected until the Crime Lab

could get pictures and make a search for fingerprints. After Lt. Day,

of the Crime Lab, had finished his work with the rifle, I picked it

up and found that it had a cartridge in the chamber, which I ejected.

About this time some officer came to me and told me that Mr. Roy S.

Truly wanted to see me, as one of his men had left the building. I had

talked to Mr. Truly previously, and at that time he thought everyone

was accounted for who worked in the building. Mr. Truly then came with

another officer and told me that a Lee Harvey Oswald had left the

building. I asked if he had an address where this man lived, and he

told me that he did, that it was in Irving at 2515 W. 5th Street.

I then left the rest of the search of the building with Chief Lumpkin

and other officers who were there and told Dets. R. K. Sims and E. L.

Boyd to accompany me to the City Hall where we could make a quick check

for police record and any other information of value, and we would then

go to Irving, Texas, in an effort to apprehend this man. While I was

in the building, I was told that Officer J. D. Tippit had been shot in

Oak Cliff. Immediately after I reached my office, I asked the officers

who had brought in a prisoner from the Tippit shooting who the man was

who shot the officer. They told me his name was Lee Harvey Oswald,

and I replied that that was our suspect in the President’s killing. I

instructed the officers to bring this man into the office after talking

to the officers for a few minutes in the presence of Officers R. M.

Sims and E. L. Boyd of the Homicide Bureau and possibly some Secret

Service men. Just as I had started questioning this man, I received

a call from Gordon Shanklin, Agent in Charge of the FBI office here

in Dallas, who asked me to let him talk to Jim Bookhout, one of his

agents. He told Mr. Bookhout that he would like for James P. Hosty to

sit in on this interview as he knew about these people and had been

investigating them before. I invited Mr. Bookhout and Mr. Hosty in to

help with the interview.

After some questions about this man’s full name I asked him if he

worked for the Texas School Book Depository, and he told me he did. I

asked him which floor he worked on, and he said usually on the second

floor but sometimes his work took him to all the different floors. I

asked him what part of the building he was in at the time the President

was shot, and he said that he was having his lunch about that time on

the first floor. Mr. Truly had told me that one of the police officers

had stopped this man immediately after the shooting somewhere near the

back stairway, so I asked Oswald where he was when the police officer

stopped him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola

when the officer came in. I asked him why he left the building, and he

said there was so much excitement he didn’t think there would be any

more work done that day, and that as this company wasn’t particular

about their hours, that they did not punch a clock, and that he thought

it would be just as well that he left for the rest of the afternoon.

I asked him if he owned a rifle, and he said that he did not. He said

that he had seen one at the building a few days ago, and that Mr. Truly

and some of the employees were looking at it. I asked him where he went

to when he left work, and he told me that he had a room on 1026 North

Beckley, that he went over there and changed his trousers and got his

pistol and went to the picture show. I asked him why he carried his

pistol, and he remarked, “You know how boys do when they have a gun,

they just carry it.”

Mr. Hosty asked Oswald if he had been in Russia. He told him, “Yes,

he had been in Russia three years.” He asked him if he had written to

the Russian Embassy, and he said he had. This man became very upset

and arrogant with Agent Hosty when he questioned him and accused him

of accosting his wife two different times. When Agent Hosty attempted

to talk to this man, he would hit his fist on the desk. I asked Oswald

what he meant by accosting his wife when he was talking to Mr. Hosty.

He said Mr. Hosty mistreated his wife two different times when he

talked with her, practically accosted her. Mr. Hosty also asked Oswald

if he had been to Mexico City, which he denied. During this interview

he told me that he had gone to school in New York and in Fort Worth,

Texas, that after going into the Marines, finished his high school

education. I asked him if he won any medals for rifle shooting in the

Marines. He said he won the usual medals.

I asked him what his political beliefs were, and he said he had none

but that he belonged to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and told me

that they had headquarters in New York and that he had been Secretary

for this organization in New Orleans when he lived there. He also said

that he supports the Castro Revolution. One of the officers had told

me that he had rented the room on Beckley under the name of O. F. Lee.

I asked him why he did this. He said the landlady did it. She didn’t

understand his name correctly.

Oswald asked if he was allowed an attorney and I told him he could have

any attorney he liked, and that the telephone would be available to him

up in the jail and he could call anyone he wished. I believe it was

during this interview that he first expressed a desire to talk to Mr.

Abt, an attorney in New York. Interviews on this day were interrupted

by showups where witnesses identified Oswald positively as the man

who killed Officer Tippit, and the time that I would have to talk to

another witness or to some of the officers. One of these showups was

held at 4:35 pm and the next one at 6:30 pm, and at 7:55 pm. At 7:05 pm

I signed a complaint before Bill Alexander of the District Attorney’s

office, charging Oswald with the Tippit murder. At 7:10 pm Tippit was

arraigned before Judge Johnston. During the second interview I asked

Oswald about a card that he had in his purse showing that he belonged

to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which he admitted was his. I

asked him about another identification card in his pocket bearing the

name of Alex Hidell. He said he picked up that name in New Orleans

while working in the Fair Play for Cuba organization. He said he spoke

Russian, that he corresponded with people in Russia, and that he

received newspapers from Russia.

I showed the rifle to Marina Oswald, and she could not positively

identify it, but said that it looked like the rifle that her husband

had and that he had been keeping it in the garage at Mrs. Paine’s home

in Irving. After this, I questioned Oswald further about the rifle,

but he denied owning a rifle at all, and said that he did have a small

rifle some years past. I asked him if he owned a rifle in Russia, and

he said, “You know you can’t buy a rifle in Russia, you can only buy

shotguns. I had a shotgun in Russia and hunted some while there.”

Marina Oswald had told me that she thought her husband might have

brought the rifle from New Orleans, which he denied. He told me that he

had some things stored in a garage at Mrs. Paine’s home in Irving and

that he had a few personal effects at his room on Beckley. I instructed

the officers to make a thorough search of both of these places.

After reviewing all of the evidence pertaining to the killing of

President Kennedy before District Attorney Henry Wade and his

assistant, Bill Alexander, and Jim Allen, former First Assistant

District Attorney of Dallas County, I signed a complaint before the

District Attorney charging Oswald with the murder of President Kennedy.

This was at 11:26 pm. He was arraigned before Judge David Johnston at

1:35 am, November 23, 1963.

Oswald was placed in jail about 12:00 midnight and brought from the

jail for arraignment before Judge David Johnston at 1:36 am.

On November 23 at 10:25 AM Oswald was brought from the jail for an

interview. Present at this time was FBI agent Jim Bookhout, Forrest

Sorrells, special agent and in charge of Secret Service, United States

Marshall Robert Nash, and Homicide officers. During this interview I

talked to Oswald about his leaving the building and he told me he left

by bus and rode to a stop near home and walked on to his house. At

the time of Oswald’s arrest he had a bus transfer in his pocket. He

admitted this was given to him by the bus driver when he rode the bus

after leaving the building.

One of the officers had told me that a cab driver, William Wayne

Whaley, thought he had recognized Oswald’s picture as the man who had

gotten in his cab near the bus station and rode to Becklay Avenue. I

asked Oswald if he had ridden a cab on that day, and he said, “Yes, I

did ride in the cab. The bus I got on near where I work got into heavy

traffic and was traveling too slow, and I got off and caught a cab.” I

asked him about his conversation with the cab driver, and he said he

remembered that when he got in the cab a lady came up who also wanted a

cab, and he told Oswald to tell the lady to “take another cab”.

We found from the investigation the day before that when Oswald left

home, he was carrying a long package. He usually went to see his wife

of week ends, but this time he had gone on Thursday night. I asked him

if he had told Buell Wesley Frazier why he had gone home a different

night, and if he had told him anything about bringing back some curtain

rods. He denied it.

During this conversation he told me he reached his home by cab and

changed both his shirt and trousers before going to the show. He

said his cab fare home was 85 cents. When asked what he did with his

clothing he took off when he got home, he said he put them in the dirty

clothes. In talking with him further about his location at the time the

President was killed, he said he ate lunch with some of the colored

boys who worked with him. One of them was called “Junior” and the other

one was a little short man whose name he did not know. He said he had

a cheese sandwich and some fruit and that was the only package he

had brought with him to work and denied that he had brought the long

package described by Mr. Frazier and his sister.

I asked him why he lived in a room, while his wife lived in Irving. He

said Mrs. Paine, the lady his wife lived with, was learning Russian,

that his wife needed help with the young baby, and that it made a nice

arrangement for both of them. He said he didn’t know Mr. Paine very

well, but Mr. Paine and his wife, he thought, were separated a great

deal of the time. He said he owned no car, but that the Paines have two

cars, and told that in the garage at the Paine’s home he had some sea

bags that had a lot of his personal belongings, that he had left them

there after coming back from New Orleans in September.

He said he had a brother, Robert, who lived in Fort Worth. We later

found that this brother lived in Denton. He said the Paines were close

friends of his.

I asked him if he belonged to the Communist Party, but he said that he

had never had a card, but repeated that he belonged to the Fair Play

for Cuba organization, and he said that he belonged to the American

Civil Liberties Union and paid $5.00 dues. I asked him again why he

carried the pistol to the show. He refused to answer questions about

the pistol. He did tell me, however, that he had bought it several

months before in Fort Worth, Texas.

I noted that in questioning him that he did answer very quickly, and I

asked him if he had ever been questioned before, and he told me that

he had. He was questioned one time for a long time by the FBI after he

had returned from Russia. He said they used different methods, they

tried the hard and soft, and the buddy method, and said he was very

familiar with interrogation. He reminded me that he did not have to

answer any questions at all until he talked to his attorney, and I told

him again that he could have an attorney any time he wished. He said

he didn’t have money to pay for a phone call to Mr. Abt. I told him to

call “collect”, if he liked, to use the jail phone or that he could

have another attorney if he wished. He said he didn’t want another

attorney, he wanted to talk to this attorney first. I believe he made

this call later as he thanked me later during one of our interviews

for allowing him the use of the telephone. I explained to him that all

prisoners were allowed to use the telephone. I asked him why he wanted

Mr. Abt, instead of some available attorney. He told me he didn’t know

Mr. Abt personally, but that he was familiar with a case where Mr. Abt

defended some people for a violation of the Smith Act, and that if he

didn’t get Mr. Abt, that he felt sure the American Civil Liberties

Union would furnish him a lawyer. He explained to me that this

organization helped people who needed attorneys and weren’t able to get

them.

While in New Orleans, he lived at 1907 Magazine Street and at one time

worked for the William Riley Company near that address. When asked

about any previous arrests, he told me that he had had a little trouble

while working with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and had a fight

with some anti-Castro people. He also told me of a debate on some radio

station in New Orleans where he debated with some anti-Castro people.

I asked him what he thought of President Kennedy and his family, and

he said he didn’t have any views on the President. He said, “I like

the President’s family very well. I have my own views about national

policies.” I asked him about a polygraph test. He told me he had

refused a polygraph test with the FBI, and he certainly wouldn’t take

one at this time. Both Mr. Bookhout, of the FBI, and Mr. Kelley, and

the Marshall asked Oswald some questions during this interview.

Oswald was placed back in jail at 11:33 am. At 12:35 pm Oswald was

brought to the office for another interview with Inspector Kelley and

some of the other officers and myself. I talked to Oswald about the

different places he had lived in Dallas in an effort to find where

he was living when the picture was made of him holding a rifle which

looked to be the same rifle we had recovered. This picture showed to be

taken near a stairway with many identifying things in the back yard. He

told me about one of the places where he had lived.

Mr. Paine had told me about where Oswald lived on Neely Street. Oswald

was very evasive about this location. We found later that this was the

place where the picture was made. I again asked him about his property

and where his things might be kept, and he told me about the things at

Mrs. Paine’s residence and a few things on Beckley. He was placed back

in jail at 1:10 PM.

At 6:00 PM I instructed the officers to bring Oswald back into the

office, and in the presence of Jim Bookhout, Homicide officers, and

Inspector Kelley, of the Secret Service, I showed Oswald an enlarged

picture of him holding a rifle and wearing a pistol. This picture had

been enlarged by our Crime Lab from a picture found in the garage at

Mrs. Paine’s house. He said the picture was not his, that the face was

his face, but that this picture had been made by someone superimposing

his face, the other part of the picture was not him at all and that he

had never seen the picture before. When I told him that the picture

was recovered from Mrs. Paine’s garage, he said that the picture had

never been in his possession, and I explained to him that it was an

enlargement of the small picture obtained in the search. At that time

I showed him the smaller picture. He denied ever seeing that picture

and said that he knew all about photography, that he had done a lot

of work in photography himself, that the small picture was a reduced

picture of the large picture, and had been made by some person unknown

to him. He further stated that since he had been photographed here at

the City Hall and that people had been taking his picture while being

transferred from my office to the jail door that someone had been able

to get a picture of his face and that with that, they had made this

picture. He told me that he understood photography real well, and that

in time, he would be able to show that it was not his picture, and that

it had been made by someone else. At this time he said that he did not

want to answer any more questions and he was returned to the jail about

7:15 pm.

At 9:30 on the morning of November 24, I asked that Oswald be brought

to the office. At that time I showed him a map of the City of Dallas

which had been recovered in the search of his room on North Beckley.

This map had some markings on it, one of which was about where the

President was shot. He said that the map had nothing to do with

the President’s shooting and again, as he had one in the previous

interviews, denied knowing anything about the shooting of the

President, or of the shooting of Officer Tippit. He said the map had

been used to locate buildings where he had gone to talk to people about

employment.

During this interview Inspector Kelley asked Oswald about his religious

views, and he replied that he didn’t agree with all the philosophies

on religion. He seemed evasive with Inspector Kelley about how he felt

about religion, and I asked him if he believed in a Diety. He was

evasive and didn’t answer this question.

Someone of the Federal officers asked Oswald if he thought Cuba would

be better off since the President was assassinated. To this he replied

that he felt that since the President was killed that someone else

would take his place, perhaps Vice-President Johnson, and that his

views would probably be largely the same as those of President Kennedy.

I again asked him about the gun and about the picture of him holding a

similar rifle, and at that time he again positively denied having any

knowledge of the picture or the rifle and denied that he had ever lived

on Neely Street, and when I told him that friends who had visited him

there said that he had lived there, he said that they were mistaken

about visiting him there, because he had never lived there.

During this interview, Oswald said he was a Marxist. He repeated two or

three times, “I am a Marxist, but not a Leninist-Marxist.” He told me

that the station that he had debated on in New Orleans was the one who

carried Bill Stakey’s program. He denied again knowing Alex Hidell in

New Orleans, and again reiterated his belief in Fair Play for Cuba and

what the committee stood for.

After some questioning, Chief Jesse E. Curry came to the office and

asked me if I was ready for the man to be transferred. I told him we

were ready as soon as the security was completed in the basement, where

we were to place Oswald in a car to transfer him to the County Jail.

I had objected to the cameras obstructing the jail door, and the

Chief explained to me that these have been moved, and the people were

moved back, and the cameramen were well back in the garage. I told the

Chief then that we were ready to go. He told us to go ahead with the

prisoner, and that he and Chief Stevenson, who was with him, would meet

us at the County Jail.

Oswald’s shirt, which he was wearing at the time of arrest, had been

removed and sent to the crime lab in Washington with all the other

evidence for a comparison test. Oswald said he would like to have a

shirt from his clothing that had been brought to the office to wear

over the T-short that he was wearing at the time. We selected the

best-looking shirt from his things, but he said he would prefer wearing

a black Ivy League type shirt, indicating that it might be a little

warmer. We made this change and I asked him if he wouldn’t like to

wear a hat to more or less camouflage his looks in the car while being

transferred as all of the people who had been viewing him had seen him

bareheaded. He didn’t want to do this. Then Officer J. R. Leavalle

handcuffed his left hand to Oswald’s right hand, then we left the

office for the transfer.

Inasmuch as this report was made from rough notes and memory, it is

entirely possible that one of these questions could be in a separate

interview from the one indicated in this report. He was interviewed

under the most adverse conditions in my office which is 9 feet 6 inches

by 14 feet, and has only one front door, which forced us to move this

prisoner through hundreds of people each time he was carried from my

office to the jail door, some 20 feet, during each of these transfers.

The crowd would attempt to jam around him, shouting questions and

many containing slurs. This office is also surrounded by large glass

windows, and there were many officers working next to these windows. I

have no records in this office and was unable to record the interview.

I was interrupted many times during these interviews to step from the

office to talk to another witness or secure additional information from

officers needed for the interrogation.

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REPORTS OF AGENTS OF THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

FD-302 (Rev 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date 11/23/63

LEE HARVEY OSWALD, 1026 North Beckley, Dallas, Texas, was interviewed

by Captain WILL FRITZ of the Homicide Bureau, Dallas Police Department.

Special Agents JAMES P. HOSTY, JR. and JAMES W. BOOKHOUT were present

during this interview. When the Agents entered the interview room at

3:15 p.m., Captain FRITZ had been previously interviewing LEE HARVEY

OSWALD for an undetermined period of time. Both Agents identified

themselves to OSWALD and advised him they were law enforcement officers

and anything he said could be used against him. OSWALD at this time

adopted a violent attitude toward the FBI and both Agents and made

many uncomplimentary remarks about the FBI. OSWALD requested that

Captain FRITZ remove the cuffs from him, it being noted that OSWALD

was handcuffed with his hands behind him. Captain FRITZ had one of his

detectives remove the handcuffs and handcuff OSWALD with his hands in

front of him.

Captain FRITZ asked OSWALD if he ever owned a rifle and OSWALD stated

that he had observed a MR. TRUELY (phonetic), a supervisor at the Texas

Schoolbook Depository on November 20, 1963, display a rifle to some

individuals in his office on the first floor of the Texas Schoolbook

Depository, but denied ever owning a rifle himself. OSWALD stated that

he had never been in Mexico except to Tijuana on one occasion. However,

he admitted to Captain FRITZ to having resided in the Soviet Union for

three years where he has many friends and relatives of his wife.

OSWALD also admitted that he was the secretary for the Fair Play for

Cuba Committee in New Orleans, Louisiana a few months ago. OSWALD

stated that the Fair Play for Cuba Committee has its headquarters

in New York City. OSWALD admitted to having received an award for

marksmanship while a member of the U.S. Marine Corps. He further

admitted that he was living at 1026 N. Beckley in Dallas, Texas, under

the name of O. H. LEE. OSWALD admitted that he was present in the Texas

Schoolbook Depository on November 22, 1963, where he has been employed

since October 15, 1963. OSWALD stated that as a laborer, he has access

to the entire building which has offices on the first and second floors

and storage on the third and fourth, as well as the fifth and sixth

floors. OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon

and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom;

however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was

located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola for his lunch. OSWALD

claimed to be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed

this building.

After hearing what had happened, he said that because of all the

confusion there would be no work performed that afternoon so he decided

to go home. OSWALD stated he then went home by bus and changed his

clothes and went to a movie. OSWALD admitted to carrying a pistol with

him to this movie stating he did this because he felt like it, giving

no other reason. OSWALD further admitted attempting to fight the Dallas

police officers who arrested him in this movie theater when he received

a cut and a bump.

OSWALD frantically denied shooting Dallas police officer TIPPETT or

shooting President JOHN F. KENNEDY. The interview was concluded at 4:05

p.m. when OSWALD was removed for a lineup.

on 11/22/63 at Dallas, Texas

File # DL 89-43

by Special Agents JAMES P. HOSTY, JR. and JAMES W. BOOKHOUT /wvm

Date dictated 11/23/63

This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the

FBI. It is the property of the FBI, and is loaned to your agency; it

and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.

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FD-302 (Rev. 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date 11/23/63

LEE HARVEY OSWALD, interviewed in offices of the Dallas Police

Department, was advised that he did not have to make any statement,

any statement he made could be used against him in court and of his

right to an attorney. He was requested to furnish descriptive and

biographical data concerning himself.

The following was obtained from his responses and examination of

contents of his wallet:

OSWALD declined to explain his possession of a photograph of a

Selective Service card in the name of “ALEK JAMES HIDELL”.

When interview had been substantially completed and OSWALD was asked

as to his present employment, he stated he thought perhaps interview

to obtain descriptive information was too prolonged, that he had

declined to be interviewed by any other officers previously, and did

not desire to be interviewed by this agent. He remarked “I know your

tactics--there is a similar agency in Russia. You are using the soft

touch and, of course, the procedure in Russia would be quite different.”

OSWALD was advised questions were intended to obtain his complete

physical description and background. Upon repetition of the question as

to his present employment, he furnished same without further discussion.

Race White

Sex Male

Date of Birth October 18, 1939

Place of Birth New Orleans, Louisiana

Height 5’ 9”

Weight 140

Hair Medium brown, worn medium length,

needs haircut

Eyes Blue-gray

Scars No tattoos or permanent scars

Relatives Mother--MARGUERITE OSWALD, unknown

address, Arlington, Texas, practical

nurse (has not seen for about one

year)

Father--ROBERT LEE OSWALD

deceased, August 31, 1939,

New Orleans, Louisiana

Wife--MARINA; two infant children

Brothers--JOHN OSWALD, address

unknown, last known at Fort Worth,

Texas, five or six years ago, age

about 30, works with pharmaceuticals,

but not graduate pharmacist;

ROBERT OSWALD, 7313 Davenport,

Fort Worth, Texas (wife--VADA,

two small children), works for

brick company (believed Acme)

Dress at Time of

Interview Black trousers, brown “salt and

pepper”, long sleeved shirt, bare-headed

Contents of Wallet Had card in possession, LEE HARVEY

OSWALD, Social Security No. 433-54-3937

Photo of Selective Service System

card with photo of OSWALD, “Notice of

Classification” and name “ALEK JAMES

HIDELL, SSN 42-224-39-5321”. Card

shows classification IV____(?). Bears

date February 5, 1962, reverse side

shows card from Texas Local Board,

400 West Vickery, Fort Worth, Texas.

Card shows erasures and retyping of

the information indicated and bears

longhand signature “ALEK J. HIDELL”.

Signature of member or clerk of local

board (indistinct, may be GOOD____).

Local Board 114, Forth Worth, LEE HARVEY

OSWALD, SSN 41-114-39-532, address

3124 West 5th Street, Fort Worth, Texas,

registered September 14, 1959. Date

of birth October 18, 1939, New Orleans,

5’ 11”, 150 lbs., blue eyes, brown

hair. Mrs. ZOLA Z. BURGER, Clerk.

Snapshot photo of woman, apparently

wife

Snapshot photo of infant

White card with longhand, “Embassy

USSR, 1609 Decatur, NW, Washington,

D. C., Consular REZHUYEHKO” (indistinct)

Department of Defense Identification

No. N4,271,617, issued to LEE H. OSWALD,

expiration date December 7, 1962,

Private First Class, E-2, MCR/INAC,

Service No. 1653230. Card shows date

of birth October 18, 1939, 5’ 11”, 145

lbs., brown hair, gray eyes.

Dallas Public Library card, undated,

expiration date December 7, 1965,

issued to LEE HARVEY OSWALD, 602 Elsbeth,

Dallas, school or business--Jaggers--Chiles--

Stovall, followed by the name JACK L. BOWEN,

1916 Stevens Forest Drive, WH 8-8997.

U. S. Forces, Japan Identification card

issued to LEE H. OSWALD, Private,

Service No. 1653230, organization--MACS-1

MAG-11 1st MAW. Identification

card #00646, issued, May 8, 1958. Date

of birth October 18, 1939, American.

Card, “Compliments GA--JO Enkanko

Hotel, telephone number ED 5-0755 of

reverse side.

Certificate of Service in Armed Forces

of United States, issued to LEE HARVEY

OSWALD, 1653230, reflected honorably

served on active duty, U. S. Marine

Corps, October 24, 1956--September 11,

1959.

Card of “Fair Play for Cuba Committee,

799 Broadway, New York 3, New York,

telephone ORegon 4-8295”, issued to

LEE H. OSWALD, May 28, 1963, filed by

V. T. LEE as Executive Secretary

Card of “Fair Play for Cuba, New

Orleans Chapter”, issued to L. H.

OSWALD, June 15, 1963, filed by A. T.(?)

HIDELL, Chapter President (note name

HIDELL on fictitious Selective Service

card)

Selective Service notice of classification

card to LEE HARVEY OSWALD,

Selective Service No. 41-114-39-532,

IV-A; dated February 2, 1960, from

Local Board 114, Fort Worth, Texas

$13.00 in currency, consisting of

one $5.00 bill and eight $1.00 bills

Residence 2515 West 5th Street, Irving, Texas,

phone BL 3-1628 (residence of wife for

past five weeks)

Room in rooming house, 1026 North

Beckley, for about five weeks. Phone

number unknown.

Previous Residences 4706 Magazine Street, New Orleans,

Louisiana, no phone (about three months)

602 Elsbeth, no phone (about seven

months), Dallas, Texas

Unrecalled street in Fort Worth, Texas,

(a few months), with brother in Fort

Worth, Texas, for a few months.

Previously in Soviet Union, until July,

1962.

Occupations Photography--Jaggers--Chiles--Stovall,

522 Browder, Dallas, Texas

Factory worker, William B. Riley

Company (Coffee and Coffee Canisters),

644 Magazine Street, New Orleans,

Louisiana

Unemployed for several months

Employed with Texas State Book

Depository, Dallas, Texas, September,

1963, stock work, filing orders, etc.

on 11/22/63 at Dallas, Texas

File # 89-43

by Special Agent MANNING C. CLEMENTS /mac

Date dictated 11/23/63

This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the

FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it

and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.

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FD-302 (Rev 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date 11/25/63

LEE HARVEY OSWALD was interviewed at the Homicide and Robbery Bureau,

Dallas Police Department, by Captain J. W. FRITZ in the presence of

Special Agent JAMES W. BOOKHOUT, Federal Bureau of Investigation.

OSWALD was advised of the identity and official capacity of said agent

and the fact that he did not have to make any statement, that any

statement he did make could be used in a court of law against him, and

that any statement made must be free and voluntary and that he had the

right to consult with an attorney.

OSWALD stated that he did not own any rifle. He advised that he saw a

rifle day before yesterday at the Texas School Book Depository which

MR. TRULY and two other gentlemen had in their possession and were

looking at.

OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of

the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers,

he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a

Coca-cola from the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer

came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there.

MR. TRULY was present and verified that he was an employee and the

police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the

building. OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first

floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. He

thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with

foreman BILL SHELLY, and thereafter went home. He stated that he left

work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of BILL SHELLY, he

did not believe that there was going to be any more work that day

due to the confusion in the building. He stated after arriving at

his residence, then he went to a movie, where he was subsequently

apprehended by the Dallas Police Department.

OSWALD stated that his hours of work at the Texas School Book

Depository are from 8 a.m. to 4:45 p.m., but that he is not required to

punch a time clock. His usual place of work in the building is on the

first floor; however, he frequently is required to go to the fourth,

fifth, sixth, and seventh floors of the building in order to get books

and this was true on November 22, 1963, and he had been on all of the

floors in the performance of his duties on November 22, 1963.

on 11/22/63

at Dallas, Texas

File # DL 89-43

by Special Agent JAMES W. BOOKHOUT /wvm

Date dictated 11/24/63

This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the

FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and

its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.

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FD-302 (Rev 3-3-59)

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date 11/25/63

LEE HARVEY OSWALD was interviewed by Captain J. W. FRITZ, Homicide and

Robbery Bureau, Dallas Police Department. OSWALD was advised of the

identity of SA JAMES W. BOOKHOUT, and his capacity as a Special Agent

of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He was informed of his right

to an attorney, that any statement he might make could be used against

him in a court of law, and that any statement which he might make must

be free and voluntary. He furnished the following information in the

presence of T. J. TULLY, U.S. Secret Service; DAVID B. GRANT, Secret

Service; ROBERT I. NASH, United States Marshall; and Detectives BILLY

L. SENKEL and FAY M. TURNER of the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, Dallas

Police Department.

Following his departure from the Texas School Book Depository, he

boarded a city bus to his residence and obtained transfer upon

departure from the bus. He stated that officers at the time of

arresting him took his transfer out of his pocket.

OSWALD advised that he had only one post office box which was at

Dallas, Texas. He denied bringing any package to work on the morning of

November 22, 1963. He stated that he was not in the process of fixing

up his apartment and he denied telling WESLEY FRAZIER that the purpose

of his visit to Irving, Texas, on the night of November 21, 1963, was

to obtain some curtain rods from MRS. RUTH PAINE.

OSWALD stated that it was not exactly true as recently stated by him

that he rode a bus from his place of employment to his residence on

November 22, 1963. He stated actually he did board a city bus at his

place of employment but that after about a block or two, due to traffic

congestion, he left the bus and rode a city cab to his apartment on

North Beckley. He recalled that at the time of getting into the cab,

some lady looked in and asked the driver to call her a cab. He stated

that he might have made some remarks to the cab driver merely for the

purpose of passing the time of day at that time. He recalled that his

fare was approximately 85 cents. He stated that after arriving at

his apartment, he changed his shirt and trousers because they were

dirty. He described his dirty clothes as being a reddish colored, long

sleeved, shirt with a button-down collar and gray colored trousers. He

indicated that he had placed these articles of clothing in the lower

drawer of his dresser.

OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the

lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled

possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this

period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called “Junior”

and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall

but whom he would be able to recognize. He stated that his lunch had

consisted of a cheese sandwich and an apple which he had obtained at

MRS. RUTH PAINE’s residence in Irving, Texas, upon his leaving for work

that morning.

OSWALD stated that MRS. PAINE receives no pay for keeping his wife

and children at her residence. He stated that their presence in MRS.

PAINE’s residence is a good arrangement for her because of her language

interest, indicating that his wife speaks Russian and MRS. PAINE is

interested in the Russian language.

OSWALD denied having kept a rifle in MRS. PAINE’s garage at Irving,

Texas, but stated that he did have certain articles stored in her

garage, consisting of two sea bags, a couple of suitcases, and several

boxes of kitchen articles and also kept his clothes at MRS. PAINE’s

residence. He stated that all of the articles in MRS. PAINE’s garage

had been brought there about September, 1963, from New Orleans,

Louisiana.

OSWALD stated that he has had no visitors at his apartment on North

Beckley.

OSWALD stated that he has no receipts for purchase of any guns and

has never ordered any guns and does not own a rifle nor has he ever

possessed a rifle.

OSWALD denied that he is a member of the Communist Party.

OSWALD stated that he purchased a pistol, which was taken off him by

police officers November 22, 1963, about six months ago. He declined to

state where he had purchased it.

OSWALD stated that he arrived about July, 1962, from USSR and was

interviewed by the FBI at Fort Worth, Texas. He stated that he

felt they overstepped their bounds and had used various tactics in

interviewing him.

He further complained that on interview of RUTH PAINE by the FBI

regarding his wife, that he felt that his wife was intimidated.

OSWALD stated that he desired to contact Attorney ABT, New York City,

indicating that ABT was the attorney who had defended the Smith Act

case about 1949-1950. He stated that he does not know Attorney ABT

personally. Captain FRITZ advised OSWALD that arrangements would be

immediately made whereby he could call Attorney ABT.

OSWALD stated that prior to coming to Dallas from New Orleans he had

resided at a furnished apartment at 4706 Magazine Street, New Orleans,

Louisiana. While in New Orleans, he had been employed by WILLIAM B.

RILEY Company, 640 Magazine Street, New Orleans.

OSWALD stated that he has nothing against President JOHN F. KENNEDY

personally; however in view of the present charges against him, he did

not desire to discuss this phase further.

OSWALD stated that he would not agree to take a polygraph examination

without the advice of counsel. He added that in the past he has refused

to take polygraph examinations.

OSWALD stated that he is a member of the American Civil Liberties

Union and added that MRS. RUTH PAINE was also a member of same.

With regard to Selective Service card in the possession of OSWALD

bearing photograph of OSWALD and the name of ALEK JAMES HIDELL, OSWALD

admitted that he carried this Selective Service card but declined to

state that he wrote the signature of ALEK J. HIDELL appearing on same.

He further declined to state the purpose of carrying same or any use he

has made of same.

OSWALD stated that an address book in his possession contains the names

of various Russian immigrants residing in Dallas, Texas, whom he has

visited with.

OSWALD denied shooting President JOHN F. KENNEDY on November 22, 1963,

and added that he did not know that Governor JOHN CONNALLY had been

shot and denied any knowledge concerning this incident.

on 11/23/63

at Dallas, Texas

File # DL 89-43

by Special Agent JAMES W. BOOKHOUT /wvm

Date dictated 11/24/63

This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the

FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and

its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.

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FD-302 (Rev. 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date 11/25/63

LEE HARVEY OSWALD was interviewed at the Homicide and Robbery Bureau,

Dallas Police Department, at 6:35 p.m., by Captain J. W. FRITZ in

the presence of Special Agent JAMES W. BOOKHOUT, Federal Bureau of

Investigation. OSWALD was advised of the identity and official capacity

of said Agent and the fact that he did not have to make any statement,

that any statement he did make could be used in a court of law against

him, and that any statement made must be free and voluntary and that he

had the right to consult with an attorney.

Captain J. W. FRITZ exhibited to LEE HARVEY OSWALD a photograph which

had been obtained by the Dallas Police Department in a search, by

starch warrant, of the garage at the residence of MRS. RUTH PAINE,

located at Irving, Texas, which photograph reflects OSWALD holding a

rifle and wearing a holstered pistol. OSWALD was asked if this was a

photograph of himself. OSWALD stated that he would not discuss the

photograph without advice of an attorney. He stated that the head of

the individual in the photograph could be his but that it was entirely

possible that the Police Department had superimposed this part of

the photograph over the body of someone else. He pointed out that

numerous news media had snapped his photograph during the day and the

possibility existed that the police had doctored up this photograph.

OSWALD denied that he had purchased any rifle from Kleins Store in

Chicago, Illinois.

OSWALD complained of a lineup wherein he had not been granted a

request to put on a jacket similar to those worn by some of the other

individuals in the lineup.

on 11/23/63 at Dallas, Texas

File # DL 89-43

by Special Agent JAMES W. BOOKHOUT /wvm

Date dictated 11/24/63

This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the

FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and

its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.

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REPORTS OF INSPECTOR THOMAS J. KELLEY, U.S. SECRET SERVICE

FIRST INTERVIEW OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD

At about 10:30 A.M., November 23, 1963, I attended my first interview

with Oswald. Present during the interview at the Homicide Division,

Dallas Police Department, were Special Agent Jim Bookhout, FBI; Captain

Will Fritz, Homicide Division, Dallas Police Department; U.S. Marshal

Robert Nash; SA David Grant and SAIC Sorrels; and Officers Boyd and

Hall of Captain Fritz’s detail. The interview was not recorded. Mr.

Sorrels and my presence was as observers, since Oswald was being held

for murder and his custody and interrogation at that time was the

responsibility of the Dallas Police Department.

In response to questions by Captain Fritz, Oswald said that immediately

after having left the building where he worked, he went by bus to the

theater where he was arrested; that when he got on the bus he secured

a transfer and thereafter transferred to other buses to get to his

destination. He denied that he brought a package to work on that day

and he denied that he had ever had any conversation about curtain rods

with the boy named Wesley who drove him to his employment. Fritz asked

him if he had ridden a taxi that day and Oswald then changed his story

and said that when he got on the bus he found it was going too slow and

after two blocks he got off the bus and took a cab to his home; that he

passed the time with the cab driver and that the cab driver had told

him that the President was shot. He paid a cab fare of 85¢.

In response to questions, he stated that this was the first time he had

ever ridden in a cab since a bus was always available. He said he went

home, changed his trousers and shirt, put his shirt in a drawer. This

was a red shirt, and he put it with his dirty clothes. He described the

shirt as having a button down collar and of reddish color. The trousers

were grey colored.

He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He

described one of them as “Junior”, a colored boy, and the other was a

little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread,

fruit, and apples, and was the only package he had with him when he

went to work.

He stated that Mrs. Paine practices Russian by having his wife live

with her. He denied that he had ever owned a rifle. He said he does not

know Mr. Paine very well but that Paine usually comes by the place

where his wife was living with Mrs. Paine on Friday or Wednesday. He

stated that Mr. Paine has a car and Mrs. Paine has had two cars. He

said in response to questions by Captain Fritz that his effects were

in Mrs. Paine’s garage and that they consisted of two sea bags with

some other packages containing his personal belongings and that he had

brought those back from New Orleans with him sometime in September.

He stated that his brother, Robert, lived at 7313 Davenport Street,

Fort Worth, and that the Paines were his closest friends in town. He

denied that he had ever joined the Communist party; that he never had a

Communist card. He did belong to the American Civil Liberties Union and

had paid $5 a year dues. He stated that he had bought the pistol that

was found in his possession when he was arrested about seven months

ago. He refused to answer any questions concerning the pistol or a gun

until he talked to a lawyer.

Oswald stated that at various other times he had been thoroughly

interrogated by the FBI; that they had used all the usual interrogation

practices and all their standard operating procedure; that he was very

familiar with interrogation, and he had no intention of answering any

questions concerning any shooting; that he knew he did not have to

answer them and that he would not answer any questions until he had

been given counsel. He stated that the FBI had used their hard and soft

approach to him, they used the buddy system; that he was familiar with

all types of questioning and had no intention of making any statements.

He said that in the past three weeks when the FBI had talked to his

wife, they were abusive and impolite; that they had frightened his

wife and he considered their activities obnoxious. He stated that

he wanted to contact a Mr. Abt, a New York lawyer whom he did not

know but who had defended the Smith Act “victims” in 1949 or 1950 in

connection with a conspiracy against the Government; that Abt would

understand what this case was all about and that he would give him an

excellent defense. He stated in returning a question about his former

addresses that he lived at 4907 Magazine Street in New Orleans at one

time and worked for the William Riley Company; that he was arrested in

New Orleans for disturbing the peace and paid a $10 fine while he was

demonstrating for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee; that he had a fight

with some anti-Castro refugees and that they were released while he was

fined.

Upon questioning by Captain Fritz, he said, “I have no views on the

President.” “My wife and I like the President’s family. They are

interesting people. I have my own views on the President’s national

policy. I have a right to express my views but because of the charges

I do not think I should comment further.” Oswald said, “I am not a

malcontent; nothing irritated me about the President.” He said that

during 1962 he was interviewed by the FBI and that he at that time

refused to take a polygraph and that he did not intend to take a

polygraph test for the Dallas police. At this time Captain Fritz showed

a Selective Service Card that was taken out of his wallet which bore

the name of Alex Hidell. Oswald refused to discuss this after being

asked for an explanation of it, both by Fritz and by James Bookhout,

the FBI Agent. I asked him if he viewed the parade and he said he had

not. I then asked him if he had shot the President and he said he had

not. I asked him if he had shot Governor Connally and he said he had

not. He did not intend to answer further questions without counsel

and that if he could not get Abt, then he would hope that the Civil

Liberties Union would give him an attorney to represent him. At that

point Captain Fritz terminated the interview at about 11:30 A.M.,

11-23-63.

Thomas J. Kelley

Inspector

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INTERVIEWS WITH LEE HARVEY OSWALD ON NOVEMBER 23, 1963

At about 12:35 P.M., November 23, 1963, Lee Oswald was interviewed in

the offices of Captain Will Fritz of the Homicide Division, Dallas

Police Department. Among those present at this interview were Inspector

Kelley, Captain Fritz, Detectives Senkel and Tiernon of the Homicide

Division and SA James Bookout, FBI. Captain Fritz conducted the

interview which was concerned mostly with Oswald’s place of residence

in Dallas and was an attempt to ascertain where the bulk of Oswald’s

belongings were located in Dallas. As a result of the interview, Oswald

furnished information to Captain Fritz that most of his personal

effects, including a sea bag, were in the garage at the address of Mrs.

Paine, 2515 West 5th Street, Irving, Texas.

The interview was concluded about 1:10 P.M. and immediately

thereafter members of the Homicide Division secured a search

warrant and recovered Oswald’s effects from the home of Mrs.

Paine. Found among the effects were two different poses in

snapshot type photographs taken of Oswald holding a rifle in

one hand and holding up a copy of a paper called the _Militant_

and “The Worker” in the other hand. Oswald was wearing a

revolver in a holster on his right side. This photograph was

enlarged by the Dallas Police Laboratories and was used as a

basis of additional questioning of Oswald at approximately 6:00

P.M. that same evening.

On November 23, 1963, at 6:00 P.M., in the office of Captain Fritz,

Homicide Division, Dallas Police Department, I was present at an

interview with Oswald. Also present were Captain Fritz, FBI Agent

Jim Bookhoutt, and four officers from the Homicide Division. This

interview was conducted with Oswald for the purpose of displaying to

him the blow-ups of photographs showing him holding a rifle and a

pistol which were seized as a result of the search warrant for the

garage of Mrs. Paine at 2515 West 5th Street, Irving, Texas. When the

photographs were presented to Oswald, he sneered at them saying that

they were fake photographs; that he had been photographed a number

of times the day before by the police and apparently after they

photographed him they superimposed on the photographs a rifle and put

a gun in his pocket. He got into a long argument with Captain Fritz

about his knowledge of photography and asked Fritz a number of times

whether the smaller photograph was made from the larger or whether the

larger photograph was made from the smaller. He said at the proper

time he would show that the photographs were fakes. Fritz told him

that the smaller photograph was taken from his effects at the garage.

Oswald became arrogant and refused to answer any further questions

concerning the photographs and would not identify the photographs as

being a photograph of himself. Captain Fritz displayed great patience

and tenacity in attempting to secure from Oswald the location of what

apparently is the backyard of an address at which Oswald formerly

lived, but it was apparent that Oswald, though slightly shaken by the

evidence, had no intention of furnishing any information.

The interview was terminated at about 7:15 P.M.

Thomas J. Kelley

Inspector

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U. S. Secret Service

November 29, 1963

Chief Inspector Kelley

Preliminary Special Dallas Report # 3

Covers third interview with Oswald and circumstances immediately

following his murder

This interview started at approximately 9:30 AM on Sunday, November

24, 1963. The interview was conducted in the office of Captain Will

Fritz of the Homicide Bureau, Dallas Police. Present at the interview

in addition to Oswald were Captain Fritz, Postal Inspector Holmes,

SAIC Sorrels, Inspector Kelley and four members of the Homicide Squad.

The interview had just begun when I arrived and Captain Fritz was

again requesting Oswald to identify the place where the photograph of

him holding the gun was taken. Captain Fritz indicated that it would

save the Police a great deal of time if he would tell them where the

place was located. Oswald refused to discuss the matter. Captain Fritz

asked, “Are you a Communist?” Oswald answered, “No, I am a Marxist

but I am not a Marxist Leninist”. Captain Fritz asked him what the

difference was and Oswald said it would take too long to explain it to

him. Oswald said that he became interested in the Fair Play for Cuba

Committee while he was in New Orleans; that he wrote to the Committee’s

Headquarters in New York and received some Committee literature and a

letter signed by Alex Hidell. He stated that he began to distribute

that literature in New Orleans and it was at that time that he got into

an altercation with a group and he was arrested. He said his opinions

concerning Fair Play for Cuba are well known; that he appeared on Bill

Stukey’s television program in New Orleans on a number of occasions and

was interviewed by the local press often. He denies knowing or ever

seeing Hidell in New Orleans, said he believed in all of the tenets

of the Fair Play for Cuba and the things which the Fair Play for Cuba

Committee stood for which was free intercourse with Cuba and freedom

for tourists of the both countries to travel within each other’s

borders.

Among other things, Oswald said that Cuba should have ~folded~ full

diplomatic relationship with the United States. I asked him if he

thought that the President’s assassination would have any effect on

the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. He said there would be no change in

the attitude of the American people toward Cuba with President Johnson

becoming President because they both belonged to the same political

party and the one would follow pretty generally the policies of the

other. He stated that he is an avid reader of Russian literature

whether it is communistic or not; that he subscribes to “The Militant”,

which, he says, is the weekly of the Socialist party in the United

States (it is a copy of “The Militant” that Oswald is shown holding in

the photograph taken from his effects at Irving Street). At that time

he asked me whether I was an FBI Agent and I said that I was not that

I was a member of the Secret Service. He said when he was standing in

front of the Textbook Building and about to leave it, a young crew-cut

man rushed up to him and said he was from the Secret Service, showed a

book of identification, and asked him where the phone was. Oswald said

he pointed toward the pay phone in the building and that he saw the man

actually go to the phone before he left.

I asked Oswald whether as a Marxist he believed that religion was an

opiate of the people and he said very definitely so that all organized

religions tend to become monopolistic and are the causes of a great

deal of class warfare. I asked him whether he considered the Catholic

Church to be an enemy of the Communist philosophy and he said well,

there was no Catholicism in Russia; that the closest to it is the

Orthodox Churches but he said he would not further discuss his opinions

of religion since this was an attempt to have him say something which

could be construed as being anti-religious or anti Catholic.

Capt. Fritz displayed an Enco street map of Dallas which had been found

among Oswald’s effects at the rooming house. Oswald was asked whether

the map was his and whether he had put some marks on it. He said it

was his and remarked “My God don’t tell me there’s a mark near where

this thing happened”. The mark was pointed out to him and he said “What

about the other marks on the map?--I put a number of marks on it. I was

looking for work and marked the places where I went for jobs or where I

heard there were jobs”.

Since it was obvious to Captain Fritz that Oswald was not going to be

cooperative, he terminated the interview at that time.

I approached Oswald then and, out of the hearing of the others except

perhaps one of Captain Fritz’s men, said that as a Secret Service

agent, we are anxious to talk with him as soon as he had secured

counsel; that we were responsible for the safety of the President;

that the Dallas Police had charged him with the assassination of the

President but that he had denied it; we were therefore very anxious to

talk with him to make certain that the correct story was developing

as it related to the assassination. He said that he would be glad to

discuss this proposition with his attorney and that after he talked

to one, we could either discuss it with him or discuss it with his

attorney, if the attorney thought it was the wise thing to do, but

that at the present time he had nothing more to say to me. Oswald was

then handed some different clothing to put on. The clothing included a

sweater. Captain Fritz made a number of telephone calls to ascertain

whether the preparations he had placed into effect for transferring

the prisoner to the County Jail were ready and upon being so advised,

Captain Fritz and members of the Detective Bureau escorted Oswald from

the Homicide Office on the third floor to the basement where Oswald was

shot by Jack Ruby.

On the completion of the interview, SAIC Sorrels and I proceeded to the

office of the Chief of Police on the third floor and were discussing

the interview when we heard that Oswald had been shot. We both ran

down the steps to the basement. I arrived in the ante-room where they

had dragged Oswald. SAIC Sorrels located and interviewed Ruby. Someone

was bending over Oswald with a stethoscope and he appeared to be

unconscious in very serious condition at that time. I asked Captain

Fritz what had happened and he said Oswald had been shot by one Jack

“Rubio” whom the police knew as a tavern operator. Shortly thereafter

a stretcher arrived and I accompanied the stretcher to the ambulance

which had been hastily backed into the garage. I observed that during

the transfer that Oswald was unconscious; when the ambulance drove

away from the building, I attempted to board a cruiser that apparently

was going to follow the ambulance but I was unable to get into the

car before it pulled away. Special Agents Warner and Patterson had

heard of the shooting on their radio, proceeded to Parkland Hospital

where Oswald was being taken and arrived vary shortly after Oswald

had arrived at the emergency entrance and was being taken into the

emergency treatment room. One or the other of these agents was in close

proximity to Oswald while he was being treated. When I arrived at

the hospital, I rode up on the elevator with Dr. Shaw who had looked

at Oswald as he had come in and was being recalled to the operating

room where Oswald had been taken. While Oswald was in the operating

room, no one other than medical personnel was present but a Dallas

policeman who had accompanied Oswald in the ambulance was standing in

the doorway of the operating room in operating room scrub clothes. No

other investigating personnel were in the vicinity. In the immediate

vicinity of the detective was Special Agent Warner. Oswald made no

statements from the time he was shot until the time of his death.

He was unconscious during the ambulance run to the hospital which I

verified through Detective Daugherty, who accompanied him. He did not

regain consciousness at any time during the treatment until he died. At

the time of his death, myself, Detective Daugherty and Colonel Garrison

of the Texas State Police were on the fifth floor of the hospital

arranging a security room in which to take Oswald, in the event he

survived the operating room treatment. It was never necessary to use

this room and upon learning of his death, I proceeded to the morgue

to arrange for his family to view the body. When the family heard of

the death they were in the process of being interviewed by Special

Agents Kunkel and Howard, and requested to be brought to the hospital.

Oswald’s brother, Robert, who had also come to the hospital, was being

interviewed by Special Agent Howlett. Before the post mortem was

performed, Oswald’s family, with the exception of Robert, viewed the

body. Robert arrived too late to view the body before the autopsy had

started and was not permitted by hospital authorities to view the body.

The family was accompanied during the viewing by the hospital chaplain.

After making arrangements through the chaplain and another clergyman

for the burial of the body, the family was returned to a secluded spot

under the protection of Special Agents Kunkel and Howard, and the

Irving Texas police. Precaution was taken to insure their safety in

view of the excitement caused by the killing of Oswald. Special Agents

Howard and Kunkel did an excellent job in handling the security of this

family detail and insuring their safety. Thereafter, I was called by

SAIC Bouck who advised me that the President and the Attorney General

were concerned about the safety of this family and instructed that all

precautions should be taken to insure that no harm befell them. SAIC

Bouck was advised that the family was presently under our protection;

we would continue providing protection until further notice.

Later that same day, I was contacted by SA Robertson of the FBI who

asked whether we had someone with the family. He was assured that we

had. He requested to be advised where the family had been taken. Since

their ultimate destination was unknown to me at the time, I assured

him that when I learned of their whereabouts I would relay it to him.

He said that they received instructions from the Attorney General and

President Johnson that precaution should be taken to insure the family

safety.

At 11 pm, Sunday, November 24th, I was advised of the location of the

family and immediately notified Robertson and inquired whether they

now wished to take over their protection. He said no they had no such

instructions, they merely wished to be assured that someone was looking

out for their safety. I assured them that adequate protection was being

provided and that they were available for interviews by the FBI. He

stated that they did not wish to interview the family at this time;

that they merely wanted to make sure they were in safe hands.

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REPORT OF U.S. POSTAL INSPECTOR H. D. HOLMES

Dallas, Texas

December 17, 1963

_MEMORANDUM OF INTERVIEW_

Informal memorandum furnished by Postal Inspector H. D. Holmes, Dallas,

Texas, of an interview he took part in with Lee H. Oswald on Sunday

morning, November 24, 1963, between the approximate hours of 9:25 a.m.

to 11:10 a.m. Those present, in addition to Inspector Holmes, were

Captain Will Fritz, Dallas Police, Forrest V. Sorrels, Local Agent in

Charge, Secret Service, and Thomas J. Kelly, Inspector, Secret Service.

In addition, there were three Detectives who were apparently assigned

to guarding Oswald as none of them took part in the interrogation.

Oswald at no time appeared confused or in doubt as to whether or not

he should answer a question. On the contrary, he was quite alert and

showed no hesitancy in answering those questions which he wanted to

answer, and was quite skillful in parrying those questions which he did

not want to answer. I got the impression that he had disciplined his

mind and reflexes to a state where I personally doubted if he would

ever have confessed. He denied, emphatically, having taken part in or

having had any knowledge of the shooting of the policeman Tippitt or of

the President, stating that so far as he is concerned the reason he was

in custody was because he “popped a policeman in the nose in a theater

on Jefferson Avenue.”

P. O. BOXES--He was questioned separately about the three boxes he

had rented, and in each instance his answers were quick, direct and

accurate as reflected on the box rental applications. He stated without

prompting that he had rented Box 2915 at the Main Post Office for

several months prior to his going to New Orleans, that this box was

rented in his own name, Lee H. Oswald, and that he had taken out two

keys to the box, and that when he had closed the box, he directed that

his mail be forwarded to him at his street address in New Orleans.

He stated that no one received mail in this box other than himself, nor

did he receive any mail under any other name than his own true name;

that no one had access to the box other than himself nor did he permit

anyone else to use this box. He stated it was possible that on rare

occasions he may have handed one of the keys to his wife to go get his

mail but certainly nobody else. He denied emphatically that he ever

ordered a rifle under his name or any other name, nor permitted anyone

else to order a rifle to be received in this box. Further, he denied

that he had ever ordered any rifle by mail order or bought any money

order for the purpose of paying for such a rifle. In fact, he claimed

he owned no rifle and had not practiced or shot a rifle other than

possibly a .22, small bore rifle, since his days with the Marine Corp.

He stated that “How could I afford to order a rifle on my salary of

$1.25 an hour when I can’t hardly feed myself on what I make.”

When asked if he had a post office box in New Orleans he stated that

he did, for the reason that he subscribed to several publications, at

least two of which were published in Russia, one being the hometown

paper published in Minsk where he met and married his wife, and that

he moved around so much that it was more practical to simply rent post

office boxes and have his mail forwarded from one box to the next

rather than going through the process of furnishing changes of address

to the publishers. When asked if he permitted anyone other than himself

to get mail in box 30061 at New Orleans, he stated that he did not. It

will be recalled that on this box rent application he showed that both

Marina Oswald and A. J. Hidell were listed under the caption “Persons

entitled to receive mail through box”. After denying that anyone

else was permitted to get mail in the box, he was reminded that this

application showed the name Marina Oswald as being entitled to receive

mail in the box and he replied “well so what, she was my wife and I see

nothing wrong with that, and it could very well be that I did place her

name on the application”. He was then reminded that the application

also showed the name A. J. Hidell was also entitled to receive mail in

the box, at which he simply shrugged his shoulders and stated “I don’t

recall anything about that”.

He stated that when he came back to Dallas and after he had gone to

work for the Texas School Book Depository, he had rented a box at the

nearby Terminal Annex postal station, this being Box 6225, and that

this box was also rented in his name, Lee H. Oswald. He stated he had

only checked out one key for this box, which information was found

to be accurate, and this key was found on his person at the time of

his arrest. He professed not to recall the fact that he showed on the

box rental application under name of corporation “Fair Play For Cuba

Committee” and “American Civil Liberties Union”. When asked as to why

he showed these organizations on the application, he simply shrugged

and said that he didn’t recall showing them. When asked if he paid the

box rental fee or did the organizations pay it, he stated that he paid

it. In answer to another question, he also stated that no one had any

knowledge that he had this box other than himself.

ORGANIZATIONS- MEMBERSHIP IN--With respect to American Civil Liberties

Union he was a little evasive stating something to the effect that

he had made some effort to join but it was never made clear whether

he had or had not been accepted. He stated that he first became

interested in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, after he went to New

Orleans, that it started out as being a group of individuals who, like

him, who thought and had like political opinions. They did decide to

organize, and did organize after a fashion, but denied that they had

any president or any elected officers. He stated that he, himself,

could probably be considered the secretary since he wrote some letters

on their behalf and attempted to collect dues which, if I recall, were

$1.00 per month. He also stated that there was a “Fair Play for Cuba

Committee” in New York which was better organized. He denied that he

was sent to Dallas for the purpose of organizing such a cell in Dallas.

When asked if he was a communist, he stated emphatically not, that

he was a Marxist. Someone asked the difference and he stated that a

communist is a Lenin-Marxist, that he himself was a pure Marxist, and

when someone asked the difference, he stated that it was a long story

and if they didn’t know, it would take too long to tell them. He stated

further that he had read about everything written by or about Karl Marx.

When asked as to his religion, he stated that Karl Marx was his

religion, and in response to further questioning he stated that some

people may find the Bible interesting reading, but it was not for him,

stating further that even as a philosophy there was not much to the

Bible.

MARINE CORP SERVICE--Captain Fritz made some mention of his

dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corp at which point he bristled

noticeably, stating that he had been discharged with an “honorable”

discharge and that this was later changed due to his having attempted

to denounce his American Citizenship while he was living in Russia. He

stated further that since his change of citizenship did not come to

pass, he had written a letter to Mr. Connally, then Secretary of the

Navy, and after considerable delay, received a very respectful reply

wherein Connally stated he had resigned to run for Governor of Texas,

and that his letter was being referred to the new Secretary, a Mr.

Cork, Kurth, or something like that. He showed no particular animosity

toward Mr. Connally while discussing this feature.

MAP--Captain Fritz advised him that among his effects in his room,

there was found a map of the City of Dallas that had some marks on

it and asked him to explain this map. Oswald said he presumed he had

reference to an old City map which he had on which he had made some

X’s denoting location of firms that had advertised job vacancies. He

stated that he had no transportation and either walked or rode a bus

and that as he was constantly looking for work, in fact had registered

for employment at the Texas Employment Bureau, and that as he would

receive leads either from newspaper ads or from the Bureau or from

neighbors, he would chart these places on the map to save time in his

traveling. He said to the best of his recollection, most of them were

out Industrial, presumably meaning Industrial Blvd. When asked as to

why the X at the location of the Texas School Book Depository at Elm

and Houston, he stated that “Well, I interviewed there for a job, in

fact, got the job, therefore the X”.

When asked as to how he learned about this vacancy, he stated that “Oh,

it was general information in the neighborhood, I don’t recall just

who told me about it, but I learned it from people in Mrs. Paynes’

neighborhood” and that all the people around there were looking out for

possible employment for him.

ACTIVITY JUST PRIOR TO AND IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING ASSASSINATION

ATTEMPT--To an inquiry as to why he went to visit his wife on Thursday

night, November 21, whereas he normally visited her over the weekend,

he stated that on this particular weekend he had learned that his wife

and Mrs. Payne were giving a party for the children and that they were

having in a “houseful” of neighborhood children and that he just didn’t

want to be around at such a time. Therefore, he made his weekly visit

on Thursday night.

When asked if he didn’t bring a sack with him the next morning to work,

he stated that he did, and when asked as to the contents of the sack,

he stated that it contained his lunch. Then, when asked as to the size

or shape of the sack, he said “Oh, I don’t recall, it may have a small

sack or a large sack, you don’t always find one that just fits your

sandwiches.” When asked as to where he placed the sack when he got in

the car, he said in his lap, or possibly the front seat beside him, as

he always did because he didn’t want to get it crushed. He denied that

he placed any package in the back seat. When advised that the driver

stated that he had brought out a long parcel and placed it in the back

seat, he stated “Oh, he must be mistaken or else thinking about some

other time when he picked me up.”

When asked as to his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, he stated

that when lunch time came, and he didn’t say which floor he was on, he

said one of the Negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and

he stated “You go on down and send the elevator back up and I will join

you in a few minutes.” Before he could finish whatever he was doing,

he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place

and when he went down stairs, a policeman questioned him as to his

identification and his boss stated that “he is one of our employees”

whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily. Following this,

he simply walked out the front door of the building. I don’t recall

that anyone asked why he left or where or how he went. I just presumed

that this had been covered in an earlier questioning.

A. J. HIDELL IDENTIFICATION CARD--Captain Fritz asked him if he knew

anyone by the name of A. J. Hidell and he denied that he did. When

asked if he had ever used this name as an alias, he also made a denial.

In fact, he stated that he had never used the name, didn’t know anyone

by this name, and never had heard of the name before. Captain Fritz

then asked him about the I.D. card he had in his pocket bearing such a

name and he flared up and stated “I’ve told you all I’m going to about

that card. You took notes, just read them for yourself, if you want to

refresh your memory.” He told Captain Fritz that “You have the card.

Now you know as much about it as I do.”

* * * * *

About 11:00 a.m. or a few minutes thereafter, someone handed through

the door several hangers on which there were some trousers, shirts,

and a couple of sweaters. When asked if he wanted to change any of his

clothes before being transferred to the County jail, he said “Just give

me one of these sweaters.” He didn’t like the one they handed him and

insisted on putting on a black slip-over sweater than had some jagged

holes in it near the front of the right shoulder. One cuff was released

while he slipped this over the head, following which he was again

cuffed. During this change of clothing, Chief of Police Curry came into

the room and discussed something in an inaudible undertone with Captain

Fritz, apparently for the purpose of not letting Oswald hear what

was being said. I have no idea what this conversation was, but just

presume they were discussing the transfer of the prisoner. I did not go

downstairs to witness the further transfer of the prisoner.

H. D. HOLMES

Postal Inspector

Dallas 22, Texas

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APPENDIX XII

Speculations and Rumors

Myths have traditionally surrounded the dramatic assassinations of

history. The rumors and theories about the assassination of Abraham

Lincoln that are still being publicized were for the most part first

bruited within months of his death. Wherever there is any element

of mystery in such dramatic events misconceptions often result from

sensational speculations.

Lacking the testimony of Lee Harvey Oswald, it has been necessary to

reconstruct painstakingly all of the facts that led the Commission to

the conclusion that Oswald assassinated President Kennedy, acting alone

and without advice or assistance. The Commission has found no credible

evidence that he was a member of a foreign or domestic conspiracy of

any kind. Nor was there any evidence that he was involved with any

criminal or underworld elements or that he had any association with his

slayer, Jack Ruby, except as his victim. The evidence on these issues

has been set forth in great detail in this report.

In addition the Commission has inquired into the various hypotheses,

rumors, and speculations that have arisen from the tragic developments

of November 22-24, 1963. It is recognized that the public judgment of

these events has been influenced, at least to some extent, by these

conjectures.

Many questions have been raised about the facts out of genuine

puzzlement or because of misinformation which attended some of the

early reporting of the fast-crowding events of these 3 days. Most of

the speculation and attempted reconstruction of these events by the

public centered on these basic questions: Was Lee Harvey Oswald really

the assassin of the President; why did he do it; did he have any

accomplices; and why did Ruby shoot Oswald? Many of the theories and

hypotheses advanced have rested on premises which the Commission feels

deserve critical examination.

Many people who witnessed the assassination and the killing of Oswald

or were present in the area were a major source of diverse and often

contradictory information. As is easily understood under such

circumstances, all of the witnesses did not see and hear the same thing

or interpret what they saw and heard the same way and many changed

their stories as they repeated them. Moreover, they were interviewed

at different times after the event by different people and often under

circumstances which made accurate reporting extremely difficult.

Even the occupants of the cars in the Presidential motorcade were not

entirely in agreement in their accounts because they, too, saw and

heard what happened from different positions. Moreover, those closest

to the assassination were subjected to a physical and emotional strain

that tended to affect their recollections of what they thought they

saw or heard. Consequently, the presentation of the news from Dallas

included much misinformation. This, to some extent, was unavoidable,

but the widespread and repetitive dissemination of every scrap of

information about the President’s assassination and its aftermath

has helped to build up a large number of erroneous conclusions. The

manner in which local authorities released information about the

investigation, sometimes before it could be verified in all detail, has

further contributed to the fund of ill-founded theories. Typographical

mistakes in the press and failure to transcribe sound accurately from

tapes resulted in errors, some of which have remained uncorrected in

print at the time of the publication of this report.

Much of the speculation that has persisted in one form or another since

November 22-24 came from people who usually spoke in good faith. Some

of the errors have resulted simply from a lack of complete knowledge at

the time of the event. In this category are the statements attributed

to doctors at Parkland Memorial Hospital who attended the dying

President and described his wounds to the press afterward. It remained

for the autopsy in Washington, completed early the next morning, to

ascertain the full facts concerning the wounds. The correction of

earlier assertions of fact on the basis of later and fuller analysis

or investigation is a normal part of the process of accumulation of

evidence. But it is not often that the process is conducted in such

an intense glare of worldwide publicity, and later corrections have

difficulty overtaking the original sensational reports.

There is still another category of speculation and rumor that

complicated and broadened the work of the Commission. Numerous people

claimed to have seen Oswald or Ruby at various times and places in

the United States or abroad. Others insisted that during the days

following the assassination, they had detected significant actions on

television that were witnessed by no one else. Still others assumed

from a widely published picture that Oswald was standing on the steps

of the entrance to the Texas School Book Depository at the time the

President was shot. Throughout the country people reported overheard

remarks, conversations, threats, prophesies, and opinions that seemed

to them to have a possible bearing on the assassination. More than a

few informants initially told their speculations or professed firsthand

information to newspaper and television reporters. Later, many of

them changed or retracted their stories in telling them to official

investigators.

The U.S. investigative agencies expended much valuable time and effort

inquiring into these leads. Investigations of a vast number of rumors

and speculations reached into almost every part of the United States

and to most of the other continents of the world.

The Commission’s work was also handicapped by those witnesses and other

persons connected with the investigation who sold for publication

evidence pertinent to the investigation. These persons sold pictures

and documents and even recollections, sometimes before the Commission

had an opportunity to receive their evidence. Some of the evidence

thus published was changed from its original form and gave misleading

impressions to the public. The piecemeal release of this evidence,

sometimes in distorted or exaggerated form, and often out of context,

provided the basis for new speculations and rumors or served to

reinforce already current ones. The practice was frequently harmful to

the work of the Commission and a disservice to the public.

This appendix is intended to clarify the most widespread factual

misunderstandings. False or inaccurate speculations concerning the

assassination and related events are set forth below together with

brief summary statements of what the Commission has found to be the

true facts. The citation following each Commission finding is either

to that portion of the report in which the subject is discussed more

fully, to the evidence in the record supporting the finding, or to

both. For complete answers to these speculations, the sources cited

in the footnotes should be consulted. The speculations are considered

under the following headings:

1. The source of the shots.

2. The identity of the assassin.

3. Oswald’s movements between 12:33 and 1:15 p.m. on November 22, 1963.

4. The murder of Patrolman Tippit.

5. Oswald after his arrest.

6. Oswald in the Soviet Union.

7. Oswald’s trip to Mexico City.

8. Oswald and U.S. Government agencies.

9. Conspiratorial relationships.

10. Miscellaneous charges.

THE SOURCE OF THE SHOTS

There have been speculations that some or all of the shots aimed at

President Kennedy and Governor Connally came from the railroad overpass

as the Presidential automobile approached it, or from somewhere other

than the Texas School Book Depository Building. Related speculations

maintain that the shots came from both the railroad overpass and the

Texas School Book Depository Building. These are supported by a number

of assertions that have been carefully examined by the Commission

in the course of its investigation and rejected as being without

foundation. They are set forth below, together with the results of the

Commission’s investigation.

_Speculation._--The shots that killed the President came from the

railroad overpass above the triple underpass.

_Commission finding._--The shots that entered the neck and head of the

President and wounded Governor Connally came from behind and above.

There is no evidence that any shots were fired at the President from

anywhere other than the Texas School Book Depository Building.[A12-1]

_Speculation._--The railroad overpass was left unguarded on November 22.

_Commission finding._--On November 22 the railroad overpass was guarded

by two Dallas policemen, Patrolmen J. W. Foster and J. C. White, who

have testified that they permitted only railroad personnel on the

overpass.[A12-2]

_Speculation._--There are witnesses who alleged that the shots came

from the overpass.

_Commission finding._--The Commission does not have knowledge of

any witnesses who saw shots fired from the overpass. Statements or

depositions from the 2 policemen and 13 railroad employees who were on

the overpass all affirm that no shots were fired from the overpass.

Most of these witnesses who discussed the source of the shots stated

that they came from the direction of Elm and Houston Streets.[A12-3]

_Speculation._--A rifle cartridge was recovered on the overpass.

_Commission finding._--No cartridge of any kind was found on the

overpass nor has any witness come forward to claim having found

one.[A12-4]

_Speculation._--A witness to the assassination said that she saw a man

run behind the concrete wall of the overpass and disappear.

_Commission finding._--Mrs. Jean L. Hill stated that after the firing

stopped she saw a white man wearing a brown overcoat and a hat running

west away from the Depository Building in the direction of the railroad

tracks. There are no other witnesses who claim to have seen a man

running toward the railroad tracks. Examination of all available

films of the area following the shooting, reexamination of interviews

with individuals in the vicinity of the shooting, and interviews with

members of the Dallas Police Department and the Dallas County sheriff’s

office failed to corroborate Mrs. Hill’s recollection or to reveal the

identity of the man described by Mrs. Hill.[A12-5]

_Speculation._--Immediately after the shooting a motorcycle policeman

was seen racing up the grassy embankment to the right of the shooting

scene pursuing a couple seeking to flee from the overpass.

_Commission finding._--There are no witnesses who have ever stated this

and there is no evidence to support the claim. A motorcycle policeman,

Clyde A. Haygood, dismounted in the street and ran up the incline. He

stated that he saw no one running from the railroad yards adjacent to

the overpass. Subsequently, at 12:37 p.m., Haygood reported that the

shots had come from the Texas School Book Depository Building.[A12-6]

_Speculation._--More than three shots, perhaps as many as five or six,

were fired at the President and Governor Connally.

_Commission finding._--The weight of the evidence indicates that three

shots were fired, of which two struck President Kennedy. There is

persuasive evidence from the experts that one of these two bullets also

struck Governor Connally. Some witnesses claimed that they heard more

than three shots but, as fully described in chapter III, the great

majority heard only three shots.[A12-7]

_Speculation._--At least four or five bullets have been found.

_Commission finding._--After the assassination, metal remains of

bullets were recovered. These included an almost whole bullet of 158.6

grains, fragments weighing 44.6 grains and 21.0 grains, and other

fragments too small to be identified. These metal remains indicate that

at least two shots were fired. The Commission believes that three shots

were fired.[A12-8]

_Speculation._--A bullet was found on the stretcher used for President

Kennedy at Parkland Hospital.

_Commission finding._--No bullet was found on the stretcher used by

President Kennedy. An almost whole bullet was found when it rolled off

the stretcher used by Governor Connally.[A12-9]

_Speculation._--A bullet was found in the grass near the scene of the

assassination shortly afterward by a deputy sheriff of Dallas County,

E. R. Walthers.

_Commission finding._--Walthers has denied that he found a bullet at

any time or that he told anyone that he had found one. With another

deputy sheriff he made a diligent search for such a bullet 2 or 3 days

after the assassination.[A12-10]

_Speculation._--The Presidential car stopped momentarily or almost came

to a complete halt after the first shot. This is evidence that the

driver had the impression that the first shot came from the front and

therefore hesitated to drive closer to the overpass.

_Commission finding._--The Presidential car did not stop or almost come

to a complete halt after the firing of the first shot or any other

shots. The driver, Special Agent William E. Greer, has testified that

he accelerated the car after what was probably the second shot. Motion

pictures of the scene show that the car slowed down momentarily after

the shot that struck the President in the head and then speeded up

rapidly.[A12-11]

_Speculation._--The Presidential car had a small round bullet hole in

the front windshield. This is evidence that a shot or shots were fired

at the President from the front of the car.

_Commission finding._--The windshield was not penetrated by any

bullet. A small residue of lead was found on the inside surface of the

windshield; on the outside of the windshield was a very small pattern

of cracks immediately in front of the lead residue on the inside. The

bullet from which this lead residue came was probably one of those

that struck the President and therefore came from overhead and to the

rear. Experts established that the abrasion in the windshield came from

impact on the inside of the glass.[A12-12]

_Speculation._--The throat wound sustained by the President was the

result of a shot fired from the front according to doctors at Parkland

Hospital.

_Commission finding._--Doctors at Parkland Hospital originally believed

that the throat wound could have been either an entry or exit wound,

but they made no examination to determine entry and exit wounds.

Subsequently, when the evidence of the autopsy became available, the

doctors at Parkland agreed that it was an exit wound.[A12-13]

_Speculation._--It is inconceivable that the doctors at Parkland

Hospital did not turn the President over on his face and notice the

bullet hole in the back of his neck.

_Commission finding._--Doctors at Parkland Hospital have testified that

the President remained on his back while he was at Parkland Hospital

for treatment and that they did not turn him over at any time; they

were busy trying to save his life. Consequently, they were never aware

of the hole in the back of his neck until they were notified of it

later.[A12-14]

_Speculation._--The first shot struck the President in the throat as

the car was proceeding along Houston Street toward the Texas School

Book Depository. The car then made a left turn on to Elm Street and

proceeded for some distance before additional shots were fired at the

President.

_Commission finding._--Before the autopsy findings made it clear that

the shots were fired from the rear, there was speculation that the

first shot may have been fired before the Presidential car turned on

to Elm Street. As this report demonstrates, all of the shots that

struck the President were fired from the rear and in a time period

inconsistent with the theory that the first shot struck him while his

car was coming down Houston Street. Motion pictures taken at the time

show that the first shot struck the President after the car had turned

onto Elm Street and was proceeding away from the Depository.[A12-15]

THE ASSASSIN

Speculations tending to support the theory that Oswald could not

have assassinated President Kennedy are based on a wide variety of

assertions. Among these are statements that Oswald could not have been

acquainted with the motorcade route before he came to work on November

22, that he may well have carried curtain rods rather than a rifle in

a brown paper package he brought with him, that there may have been

other people in the building who could have fired the rifle, that

Oswald could not have fired the shots in the time available to him,

that he was not a good enough marksman to have scored the hits with the

rifle, that there were other people in the lunchroom of the Depository

Building when he was confronted by Patrolman M. L. Baker, and that

there are no eyewitnesses who could identify Oswald as having been in

the window. Each of these speculations is dealt with below in the light

of the testimony and evidence considered by the Commission.

_Speculation._--Oswald could not have known the motorcade route before

he arrived at work on November 22.

_Commission finding._--The motorcade route was published in both Dallas

papers on November 19 and was therefore available at least 72 hours

before Oswald reported for work on November 22.[A12-16]

_Speculation._--The route as shown in the newspaper took the motorcade

through the Triple Underpass via Main Street, a block away from the

Depository. Therefore, Oswald could not have known that the motorcade

would pass directly by the Texas School Book Depository Building.

_Commission finding._--The motorcade route as published showed the

motorcade turning right off Main Street onto Houston for one block

and then left on Elm to the access road to the Stemmons Freeway. This

route was clearly indicated in published descriptions and maps of the

motorcade route. There was no mention of continuing on Main Street

through the Triple Underpass.[A12-17]

_Speculation._--The motorcade route was changed on November 22 after

the map had been printed. The motorcade was shifted from Main Street

over to Elm Street to bring it by the Texas School Book Depository

Building.

_Commission finding._--The motorcade route was decided upon on November

18 and published in the Dallas newspapers on November 19. It was not

changed in any way thereafter. The route called for the motorcade to

turn off Main Street at Houston, go up to Elm, and then turn left on

Elm Street.[A12-18]

_Speculation._--The normal and logical route would have been straight

down Main Street through the Triple Underpass to the Stemmons Freeway.

It is possible to drive from Main onto the access road to the Stemmons

Freeway from a point beyond the underpass.

_Commission finding._--The normal, direct, and only permissible route

to the Stemmons Freeway from Main Street is via Houston and Elm

Streets. Any attempt to turn onto the access road to the Stemmons

Freeway from Main Street beyond the Triple Underpass would have been

extremely difficult because of a concrete strip dividing Elm and Main

Streets. Such an attempt would have required making an S-turn beyond

the strip at a very tight angle, thereby slowing the Presidential car

almost to a stop.[A12-19]

_Speculation._--Oswald may well have carried curtain rods to work on

November 22 in the brown paper package he was observed to bring into

the building because he lived in a room where he needed them.

_Commission finding._--According to Oswald’s landlady at 1026 North

Beckley Avenue, Mrs. A. C. Johnson, the room had venetian blinds,

curtain rods, and curtains while Oswald was living there. The curtain

rods in the Paine garage that belonged to Mrs. Paine were still there

after Oswald went to work on November 22. Mrs. Paine and Marina Oswald

testified that Oswald had not spoken to them about curtain rods. After

the assassination the empty package was found near the window from

which the shots were fired, but no curtain rods were found.[A12-20]

_Speculation._--Oswald spent the morning of November 22 in the company

of other workers in the building and remained with them until they went

downstairs to watch the President go by, no later probably than 12:15.

_Commission finding._--Oswald did not spend the morning in the company

of other workers in the building, and before the assassination he was

last seen in the building on the sixth floor at about 11:55 a.m. by

Charles Givens, another employee.[A12-21]

_Speculation._--It is probable that the chicken lunch, remains of which

were found on the sixth floor, was eaten by an accomplice of Oswald who

had hidden on the sixth floor overnight.

_Commission finding._--The chicken lunch had been eaten shortly after

noon on November 22 by Bonnie Ray Williams, an employee of the Texas

School Book Depository, who after eating his lunch went to the fifth

floor where he was when the shots were fired. Oswald did not eat the

chicken lunch, nor did he drink from the soft drink bottle found near

the chicken lunch.[A12-22]

_Speculation._--Laboratory tests showed remains of the chicken lunch

found on the sixth floor were 2 days old.

_Commission finding._--The chicken lunch remains had been left there

shortly after noon on November 22 by Bonnie Ray Williams.[A12-23]

_Speculation._--An amateur 8-millimeter photograph taken at 12:20 p.m.,

10 minutes before the assassination of President Kennedy, showed two

silhouettes at the sixth-floor window of the Depository.

_Commission finding._--A film taken by an amateur photographer,

Robert J. E. Hughes, just before the assassination, shows a shadow

in the southeast corner window of the sixth floor. This has been

determined after examination by the FBI and the U.S. Navy Photographic

Interpretation Center to be the shadow from the cartons near the

window.[A12-24]

_Speculation._--A picture published widely in newspapers and magazines

after the assassination showed Lee Harvey Oswald standing on the front

steps of the Texas School Book Depository Building shortly before the

President’s motorcade passed by.

_Commission finding._--The man on the front steps of the building,

thought or alleged by some to be Lee Harvey Oswald, is actually Billy

Lovelady, an employee of the Texas School Book Depository, who somewhat

resembles Oswald. Lovelady has identified himself in the picture, and

other employees of the Depository standing with him, as shown in the

picture, have verified that he was the man in the picture and that

Oswald was not there.[A12-25]

_Speculation._--The post office box in Dallas to which Oswald had the

rifle mailed was kept under both his name and that of A. Hidell.

_Commission finding._--It is not known whether Oswald’s application

listed the name A. Hidell as one entitled to receive mail at the box.

In accordance with U.S. Post Office regulations, the portion of the

application listing the names of persons other than the applicant

entitled to receive mail was discarded after the box was closed on May

14, 1963. During the summer of 1963, Oswald rented a post office box

in New Orleans, listing the name “Hidell” in addition to his own name

and that of his wife. Hidell was a favorite alias used by Oswald on a

number of occasions. Diligent search has failed to reveal any person in

Dallas or New Orleans by that name. It was merely a creation for his

own purposes.[A12-26]

_Speculation._--The President’s car was going at a speed estimated at

from 12 to 20 miles per hour, thus presenting a target comparable to

the most difficult that a soldier would encounter under battlefield

conditions.

_Commission finding._--During the period between the time that the

first and second shots struck the President, the Presidential car was

traveling at an average speed of approximately 11.2 miles per hour.

Expert witnesses testified that the target is regarded as a favorable

one because the car was going away from the marksman in a straight

line.[A12-27]

_Speculation._--Oswald could not have fired three shots from the

Mannlicher-Carcano rifle in 5½ seconds.

_Commission finding._--According to expert witnesses, exacting tests

conducted for the Commission demonstrated that it was possible to fire

three shots from the rifle within 5½ seconds. It should be noted that

the first loaded shell was already in the chamber ready for firing;

Oswald had only to pull the trigger to fire the first shot and to

work the bolt twice in order to fire the second and third shots. They

testified that if the second shot missed, Oswald had between 4.8 and

5.6 seconds to fire the three shots. If either the first or third

shot missed, Oswald had in excess of 7 seconds to fire the three

shots.[A12-28]

_Speculation._--Oswald did not have the marksmanship ability

demonstrated by the rifleman who fired the shots.

_Commission finding._--Oswald qualified as a sharpshooter and a

marksman with the M-1 rifle in the Marine Corps. Marina Oswald

testified that in New Orleans her husband practiced operating the bolt

of the rifle. Moreover, experts stated that the scope was a substantial

aid for rapid, accurate firing. The Commission concluded that Oswald

had the capability with a rifle to commit assassination.[A12-29]

_Speculation._--The name of the rifle used in the assassination

appeared on the rifle. Therefore, the searchers who found the rifle on

the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository should have been

able to identify it correctly by name.

_Commission finding._--An examination of the rifle does not reveal any

manufacturer’s name. An inscription on the rifle shows that it was made

in Italy. The rifle was identified by Captain Fritz and Lieutenant Day,

who were the first to actually handle it.[A12-30]

_Speculation._--The rifle found on the sixth floor of the Texas School

Book Depository was identified as a 7.65 Mauser by the man who found

it, Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman.

_Commission finding._--Weitzman, the original source of the speculation

that the rifle was a Mauser, and Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone found the

weapon. Weitzman did not handle the rifle and did not examine it at

close range. He had little more than a glimpse of it and thought it

was a Mauser, a German bolt-type rifle similar in appearance to the

Mannlicher-Carcano. Police laboratory technicians subsequently arrived

and correctly identified the weapon as a 6.5 Italian rifle.[A12-31]

_Speculation._--There is evidence that a second rifle was discovered on

the roof of the Texas School Book Depository or on the overpass.

_Commission finding._--No second rifle was found in either of these

places or in any other place. The shots that struck President Kennedy

and Governor Connally came from the rifle found on the sixth floor of

the Texas School Book Depository.[A12-32]

_Speculation._--It is possible that there was a second

Mannlicher-Carcano rifle involved in the assassination. The Irving

Sports Shop mounted a scope on a rifle 3 weeks before the assassination.

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