Cross-examined--He was a weak man, and apt to take the advice of any

person he might be in company with. The last time I saw him he had a

redness over one tonsil, showing there was tenderness. He had three or

four superficial ulcers on his lips.

* * * * *

[Sidenote: C. Newton]

CHARLES NEWTON, examined--I am assistant to Mr. Salt, practising

surgeon at Rugeley. On Monday, 19th November, about nine o’clock in the

evening, Palmer came in to Mr. Salt’s surgery. He asked me for three

grains of strychnia, which I gave to him. I do not think he was in the

shop above two minutes. Between eleven and twelve on the next day I saw

him again in the shop of Mr. Hawkins, a druggist. He was in the shop

when I went in. He put his hand between my shoulders and said he wished

to speak to me. I went to the door with him and out into the street. He

asked me when Mr. Edwin Salt, the son of Mr. Salt, was going up to his

farm at Sudbury. Palmer had nothing to do with that at all. While we

were talking, a Mr. Brassington came up and entered into conversation

with me about some bills for money he had against my employer. Palmer

left us and returned to the shop, and came out again while we were still

talking. He went in the direction of his own house, which is between 200

and 300 yards away. I went into the shop after my conversation with Mr.

Brassington and saw Roberts, who was serving. I know Mr. Thirlby, who

deals in drugs. He was formerly an assistant to Palmer, and succeeded to

his business. He dispenses all Palmer’s medicines for him. About seven

o’clock in the evening of Sunday, the 25th November, I went to Palmer’s

house in consequence of being sent for by him. There was no one else

there. He asked me what dose of strychnia would kill a dog, and whether

it would be found in the stomach. I told him a grain, and that there

would be no inflammation, and I did not think it would be found. I think

he said, “It is all right,” as if speaking to himself, and snapped his

fingers. I heard the next day that the post-mortem examination of Cook’s

body was to take place. On my way to the post-mortem, about ten o’clock

in the forenoon, I saw Palmer at Bamford’s, and I told him where I was

going. He, Dr. Harland, and I went down together to the Talbot Arms for

the examination. Palmer and I were left alone together in the entrance

to the hall. He remarked it would be a stiff job, and asked me to go

over to his house for some brandy. We did so. While we were taking the

brandy he said, “You will find this fellow suffering from diseased

throat; he has had syphilis.” We then returned to the Talbot Arms. I was

examined before the coroner, but I said nothing about giving Palmer the

three grains of strychnia on Monday night.

[Sidenote: C. Newton]

Cross-examined--When I was first examined on behalf of the Crown I

mentioned the circumstance of the conversation about poisoning the dog.

Before that I mentioned it to Mr. Salt, but I cannot remember when. I

gave a statement to Mr. Gardner some time after the inquest. I mentioned

about the dog, but did not speak about the 3 grains of strychnia. I made

no mention about these matters at the inquest. I gave evidence about my

conversation with Palmer at the door of Hawkins’ shop. I knew my

evidence was with reference to the supposed purchase of strychnia by

Palmer at the shop. The first time I informed the Crown with reference

to the purchase of the 3 grains on the Monday was on Tuesday last. At

the post-mortem examination I did not point out any chancre to the

medical men there. It was not mentioned at all, and I did not see one

nor the marks of one.

Re-examined--The reason why I did not mention about the purchase of the

3 grains of strychnia before last Tuesday to the Crown was because Mr.

Salt was not on speaking terms with Mr. Palmer, and I thought Mr. Salt

would be angry at my letting him have it. I communicated the fact of my

own accord.

The Court then adjourned.

Third Day, Friday, 16th May, 1856.

The Court met at ten o’clock.

[Sidenote: C. J. Roberts]

CHARLES JOSEPH ROBERTS, examined by Mr. JAMES--In November last I was an

apprentice to Mr. Hawkins, a chemist at Rugeley. I remember that between

eleven and twelve o’clock on Tuesday, 20th November, Palmer came into

the shop and asked me first for 2 drachms of prussic acid. Whilst I was

putting it up for him Mr. Newton came in. Palmer said he wanted to speak

to him, and the two of them went out of the shop together. I saw

Brassington come up and speak to Newton when Palmer left them and came

back into the shop. I was putting the prussic acid into the bottle, and

he asked me for 6 grains of strychnine and 2 drachms of Batley’s

solution of opium. While I was making the things up Palmer stood at the

shop door with his back to me, looking into the street. He then took

them away and paid for them. After he left Newton came into the shop,

and I had some conversation with him. It would be two years before this

transaction that Palmer bought drugs in our shop. He always dealt with

Thirlby, who previously was his assistant, and is now practising as an

apothecary in Palmer’s name.

Cross-examined--I did not make any entry of the transaction in our book.

I am not in the habit of doing so when things are sold over the counter.

* * * * *

[Sidenote: W. V. Stevens]

WILLIAM VERNON STEVENS, examined by the ATTORNEY-GENERAL--I am a retired

merchant living in the city. I am the step-father of John Parsons Cook,

having married his father’s widow eighteen years ago. He did not live

with me, but we were always on friendly terms. He became entitled to

property worth about £12,000. The last time I saw him alive was at

Euston station at two o’clock on the afternoon of 5th November. He

looked better than I had seen him for some time, and I said, “My boy,

you look very well; you do not look anything of an invalid now.” He

struck himself firmly on the chest and said he was quite well. The next

time I saw him was after his death, information of which I received from

Mr. Jones, who came to my house on the Wednesday. I went to Lutterworth

on the Thursday to search for a will and any papers he had left. I found

a will. When I reached Rugeley the next day I went to the Talbot Arms,

and met Palmer in the passage. I had only seen him once before. Mr.

Jones introduced us in the inn, and we then went up and viewed the

body. I was greatly struck by the appearance of the countenance, the

tightness of the muscles across the face. We all then went down to one

of the sitting rooms, and I said to the prisoner that I understood from

Mr. Jones he knew something of my son’s affairs. He replied, “Yes, there

are £4000 worth of bills out of his, and I am sorry to say my name is to

them; but I have got a paper drawn up by a lawyer, signed by Mr. Cook,

to show that I have never had any benefit from them.” I told him I

feared there would be no money to pay them, and asked if he had no

horses or property. He replied that he had horses, but they were

mortgaged. He mentioned one debt of £300 that was owing to Cook. It had

nothing to do with sporting matters, and was a personal debt from a

relative of his. I then turned round to Palmer and said that, whether

Cook had left anything or not, he must be buried. Palmer immediately

said, “Oh! I will bury him myself if that is all.” I replied I could not

hear of that. Cook’s brother-in-law was there at the time, and he also

expressed a wish to bury him. I said it was my business, as executor, to

bury him, and that I intended to bury him in London in his mother’s

grave, and that the body would have to be at the inn for a day or two.

Palmer said that would be of no consequence so long as the body was

fastened up at once. Some short time afterwards I asked Palmer for the

name of some respectable undertaker in Rugeley, so that I might order a

coffin at once. He replied, “I have been and chosen that. I have ordered

a shell and a strong oak coffin.” I expressed my surprise, and said he

had no authority to do so. At my invitation, my son-in-law, Mr. Jones,

and Palmer all dined with me at the inn. We dined about three, as I was

going back to London by the quarter-past four train. Before I left I

asked Mr. Jones to go upstairs and bring me Cook’s betting book and any

papers. He went along with Palmer, and in about ten minutes he returned,

saying he could find no book or paper. I expressed my astonishment, and

Palmer said, “It is of no manner of use if you find it.” I said I was

the best judge of that, and I understood my son won a great deal of

money at Shrewsbury. Palmer replied that when a man dies his bets are

done with, and that Mr. Cook had received the greater part of his money

on the course at Shrewsbury. I said that the book must be found, and he

replied in a much quieter tone, “Oh, it will be found, no doubt.” The

body was in the shell, and I noticed that both the hands were clenched.

I then returned to town. The next morning I communicated with the uncle

of the deceased and with my solicitor, who gave me a letter to Mr.

Gardner, of Rugeley. I returned to Rugeley by the two o’clock train,

arriving there about eight. Palmer travelled by the same train. I met

him first at Euston station, when he told me he had been summoned to

London by telegraph. I saw him again in the refreshment room at

Wolverton. We had some conversation, and I remarked that it would be as

well to know something of the complaint of which Cook died, and that I

should like his body opened. Palmer replied, “That can be done very

well,” or “That can be easily done,” or something of that sort. I saw

him again in the refreshment room at Rugby, and mentioned to him my

determination to see a solicitor in Rugeley about my son’s affairs. From

Rugby to Rugeley we travelled in the same carriage, but no further

conversation took place. When we arrived at Rugeley he again spoke about

me employing a solicitor, and offered to introduce me to one. I refused

his offer, and said I would find one myself. I then immediately

purposely changed the tone of my voice and manner, and said, “Mr.

Palmer, if I should call in a solicitor to give me advice, I suppose you

will have no objections to answer him any questions he might choose to

put to you?” He replied, with a spasmodic affection of the throat, which

was perfectly evident, “Oh, no, certainly not.” I also expressed my

desire of taking a solicitor to Hednesford, where Cook’s horses were

kept. I ought to say that, when I first mentioned the post-mortem, there

was not the slightest change in Mr. Palmer’s manner; he was perfectly

calm and collected. We then parted, he to go home and I to go and look

for Mr. Gardner. Later in the evening Palmer came to me again, and the

first thing he spoke about was the bills. He said, “It is a very

unpleasant affair for me about these bills.” I remarked that I had heard

a different account of Mr. Cook’s affairs, and that his affairs could

only be settled in the Court of Chancery. All he replied was, “Oh,

indeed,” in a lower tone. The next day, Sunday, I saw him again in the

coffee room of my hotel. He advised me not to take a solicitor to

Hednesford, but I told him I should use my own judgment upon that. Later

in the evening, I think, I saw him again. I asked him who the Mr. Smith

was who had sat up with my son, as I wished to make inquiries regarding

the missing betting book. He replied he was a solicitor of that town. I

asked him if he attended my son medically, and he said no. He then asked

me if I knew who was to perform the examination, and I told him I did

not. On the Friday, when I twice saw the body, I did not perceive any

decomposition or anything which called for its being speedily put into a

shell; on the contrary, the body did not quite look to me like a dead

body.

[Sidenote: W. V. Stevens]

Cross-examined by Mr. SERJEANT SHEE--The last time my stepson stayed in

my house was for about a month, in January and February of last year. He

had a slight sore throat then, but I do not know that it was

continuously sore. He did not complain of it. I never noticed any ulcers

about his face. Between that time and the 5th November I saw him

several times, and he did not appear to be more delicate than usual. The

reason why I mentioned to him on 5th November that he was looking very

well was because he had complained of being an invalid the winter

before. His brother and sister were rather delicate, and his father died

at the age of thirty or thirty-one.

* * * * *

[Sidenote: J. T. Harland]

Dr. JOHN THOMAS HARLAND, examined by Mr. BODKIN--I am a physician

residing at Stafford. On 26th November I made a post-mortem examination

of Mr. Cook. I called at the house of Mr. Bamford, and on my way there I

was joined by Palmer, whom I had frequently seen and spoken to at

Rugeley. He said, “I am glad you have come to make a post-mortem

examination; some one might have been sent whom I did not know; I know

you.” I asked him what the case was; that I heard there was a suspicion

of poisoning. He replied, “Oh, no! I think not; he had an epileptic fit

on Monday and Tuesday night, and you will find an old disease in the

heart and in the head.” Palmer offered to lend me instruments, as I had

brought none with me. He said a queer old man seemed to suspect him. He

also said, “He seems to suspect that I have got the betting book, but

Cook had no betting book that would be of use to any one.” After we

reached Bamford’s house, Mr. Bamford and I went to Mr. Frere’s, a

surgeon in Rugeley, and from there to the Talbot Arms, where the

post-mortem examination was proceeded with. Palmer and several others

were in the room. Mr. Devonshire operated and Mr. Newton assisted him.

The body seemed to me to be stiffer than bodies generally are six days

after death. The muscles were strongly contracted and thrown out, which

showed there was a strong spasmodic action in the body before death. The

hands were clenched; firmly closed. The abdominal viscera were the first

parts of the body examined internally. They were taken out of the body,

and were in a perfectly healthy state. The liver was healthy. The lungs

were healthy; there was blood in them, but not more than could be

accounted for by gravitation. The brain was quite healthy. There was no

extravasation of blood nor serum on the brain. There was nothing in its

appearance that would cause unnatural pressure. The heart was

contracted, and contained no blood. This did not appear to be the result

of disease, but from spasmodic action. The stomach was taken out. At the

larger end there were numerous small yellowish-white spots about the

size of mustard seed. These would not at all account for death, nor

would they have any effect on the health of any one. There may have been

numerous follicles, nothing more. The kidneys were full of blood that

had gravitated since death, and had no appearance of disease. The blood

was in a fluid state, which is a rare occurrence even in cases of sudden

death. About the whole body generally there was no appearance of disease

that would account for death. The lower part of the spinal cord was not

minutely examined on this occasion. The upper part presented a perfectly

natural appearance.

[Sidenote: J. T. Harland]

On the 25th of January the body was again exhumed, so that we might

examine the spinal cord with more attention. Dr. Monckton and I jointly

made a report on the matter. I am still of the opinion that there was

nothing in the appearance that I have described to account for the death

of the deceased. When the stomach and intestines were removed from the

body in the first examination they were separately emptied into a jar by

Mr. Devonshire and Mr. Newton. Palmer was standing at the right of Mr.

Newton. When the intestines and stomach were being placed in the jar,

and while Mr. Devonshire was opening the stomach, I noticed Palmer

pushed Mr. Newton on to Mr. Devonshire, and he shook a portion of the

contents of the stomach into the body. I thought a joke was passing

among them, and I said, “Do not do that,” to the whole. Palmer was the

only one close to them when Mr. Newton and Mr. Devonshire were pushed

together. After this interruption the opening of the stomach proceeded.

It contained about, I should think, 2 or 3 ounces of brownish liquid. It

was stated that there was nothing particular found in the stomach, and

Palmer remarked to Mr. Bamford, “They will not hang us yet.” The stomach

was then emptied into the jar along with the stomach itself. The

intestines were then examined, and nothing particular found in them.

They were contracted and very small. They were placed in the jar, with

their contents, as they were taken from the body. I then tied the jar

over with two bladders and sealed it, and placed it on the table beside

the body. At that time Palmer was moving about the room. My attention

had been called away by the examination, and I missed the jar for a few

minutes. I called out, “Where is the jar?” and Palmer, from the other

end of the room, said, “It is here; I thought it more convenient for you

to take it away.” Palmer was standing a yard or two from a door at that

end of the room. I got the jar from him. I found there was a cut, hardly

an inch long, through both bladders. The cut was quite clean, as if

nothing had passed through. I asked who had done this, and Palmer, Mr.

Devonshire, and Mr. Newton all seemed to say they had not done it. I

told Palmer I should take the jar to Mr. Frere. He said, “I would rather

you take it with you to Stafford, if you would take it there,” but I

took it to Mr. Frere’s house, tied and sealed in the way I have told.

When I noticed the slit in the bladders I immediately cut the strings

and replaced the bladders, and tied them separately again, so that the

slit was not at the top. When I returned to the Talbot Arms Palmer

asked me what I had done with the jar. I said I had left it with Mr.

Frere, and that it would go to either London or Birmingham that night

for examination.

Cross-examined by SERJEANT SHEE--On the occasion of the first

examination you say you observed follicles under the tongue; are those

pustules?--Not under the tongue, on the tongue. They are not pustules;

they are large mucous follicles, not containing matter.

Is it a sort of thickening, then, of the skin?--Of the mucous follicles

at the base of the tongue. They appeared to be of long standing, and

were very numerous.

Do they indicate that there had been much soreness there?--I have no

doubt they would produce inconvenience. They must have given some slight

degree of pain in eating and speaking.

Will you undertake to say they were not enlarged glands, enlarged by the

irritation of disease?--I do not believe they were; I have seen them

frequently.

Do you adhere to your opinion that the lungs were healthy?--Yes.

Did not Mr. Devonshire, in your presence, express a contrary opinion,

and say they were unhealthy?--He said he thought there was emphysema, as

well as congestion of the lungs.

Is that not a diseased state of the lungs?--Yes, it is an abnormal

state. I examined the white spots on the wider part of the stomach.

How did you examine them?--By removing the mucous that was on the

surface of the stomach by the finger or scalpel. I had no lens, no

glass. I should have examined them with a lens if I had had one.

Was your examination of these appearances satisfactory to you without a

lens?--Yes.

You said that the brain was healthy; what sort of examination did you

make of the brain?--The brain was carefully taken out; the external part

was first of all examined; the membranes were examined, and slices were

taken off from the apex to the base of the brain. These slices were, I

should think, a quarter of an inch thick.

Is that as thick as it should be to make a full examination?--I think

that would show any disease if there was any. The spinal cord was

examined down to the first vertebra, and we found no appearance of

disease.

Supposing you had discovered a softness of the spinal cord on that

occasion, after a full examination, might not that have been sufficient

to account for the death of Mr. Cook?--No, certainly not; softening

would not produce tetanus at all; it might produce paralysis.

[Sidenote: J. T. Harland]

Do not you think in the case of a man dying by convulsions, in order to

ascertain with any degree of certainty what the cause of his death might

be, it was necessary shortly after his death to make a careful

examination of the spinal cord?--No, I do not. It was afterwards thought

desirable. It was first suggested on 26th December.

It was in January the second examination took place; supposing there had

been a softening, do not you think, in order to discover it, it was

necessary to examine the spinal cord at an earlier period after death

than two months?--If there had been a softening it would have been

detected at the second examination; the body remaining unexamined for a

long time would not produce hardening of the spine.

That is your opinion; might not any softening at that late period be the

result of decomposition?--The spine was very little soft indeed. There

were some appearances of decomposition upon it. I examined him to see if

there was any disease on him of the venereal kind. I observed there was

a loss of substance from past disease. It was cicatrised over, and on

the cicatrix there was a small abrasion.

Then it must have been in a sore state?--The excoriation might be a

little sore. It was very small. It was a mere excoriation; merely a

little of the excoriation rubbed off.

Re-examined--There were no chancres, nothing beyond what I would term an

excoriation, except the cicatrix from the old disease. There was no

symptom of ulcerated throat, nor any appearance of anything syphilitic

there. The follicles in the tongue are often produced by a disordered

stomach, and are of no serious consequence to health. The congestion of

the lungs, which Mr. Devonshire spoke about, was due, in my opinion,

wholly to the gravitation of blood after death. There was nothing

whatever in the brain to indicate the presence of any disease. Even if

there had been, I have never heard or read of any diseased state of the

brain occasioning death by tetanus. There is no disease of the spinal

cord with which I am acquainted which produces tetanus and that form of

death. Sometimes with inflammation of the membranes of the spinal cord

there is tetanus; but there were no appearances of inflammation

whatever.

* * * * *

[Sidenote: C. J. Devonshire]

CHARLES JOHN DEVONSHIRE, examined by Mr. HUDDLESTON--I am an

undergraduate of London University. I performed the post-mortem on 25th

November at the Talbot Hotel. The body was pale. The fingers were

clenched firmly; the thumb of the left hand was thrown into the palm,

and the fingers were clenched over. The mouth was a little contracted.

The body was stiff, much beyond the usual stiffness of death. I took out

the stomach and opened it with a pair of scissors. As I was opening the

stomach there was a pressure or push from behind. I did not pay any

attention to it, and I do not think any of the contents of the stomach

escaped. I punctured the anterior surface of the stomach, and a spoonful

of the contents fell out on the chair. I tied up where it was punctured,

and it was put into a jar and sealed by Dr. Harland. On the same day I

got the jar at Mr. Frere’s, and gave it, on the 28th, to Mr. Boycott,

Messrs. Lander & Gardner’s clerk. The body was opened again on the 29th

to get the liver and kidneys and spleen. They were taken from the body

with some blood, placed in a stone jar, which I sealed and handed to Mr.

Boycott on the 30th. In consequence of something Mr. Palmer had said, I

examined the body to find if there were any indications of syphilis, but

I found none. I also took out the throat, and found there were natural

papillæ there; they were larger than usual at the base of the tongue.

* * * * *

[Sidenote: John Myatt]

JOHN MYATT--I am postboy at the Talbot Arms at Rugeley. On 28th of

November last I was engaged to drive Mr. Stevens to Stafford station.

Before I started Mr. Palmer asked me if I was going to drive them to

Stafford. I told him I was. He asked if I was going to take the jars. I

said I believed I was. He said there was a £10 note for me if I would

upset them. I told him I should not. I saw him next morning, and he

asked me who went with the fly. I said Mr. Stevens, and I believed one

of Mr. Gardner’s clerks.

Cross-examined--How did you know what he meant by “going to drive them

to Stafford”?--I knew I was going to take some one to Stafford.

Did he use the name “Stevens” before he used these words to you?--He

mentioned Mr. Stevens afterwards.

You understood the word “them” to mean Mr. Stevens and his party?--Yes.

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