FIFTH NIGHT--FRIDAY, JUNE 17.

MR. BRECKINRIDGE said that the order of the exercises of this evening

had, without the fault of any one, placed him in a position which was

not the most natural. Considering that it was his duty to support the

negative of the point for this evening's discussion, it would have

been most natural had the affirmation been first brought out. He said

this arrangement was not the fault of any one, because it was not

known that the point would fall to be discussed on this particular

evening; for had it fallen on last night or to-morrow night, the order

would have been as it ought to be. His position was, however, made

somewhat better by the fact, that nothing that Mr. Thompson could say

this evening, in an hour or two, could alter the assertions which he

had already repeatedly made and published in Britain. Since the notice

of this discussion had been published, he had, through the providence

of God, been put in possession of six or seven papers and pamphlets

containing the substance of what had been said by Mr. Thompson

throughout the country, and reiterated by associated bodies of his

friends under his eye. After reading these carefully, he found himself

pretty fully possessed of that individual's charges and testimony

against the ministers, private Christians, and churches of America; he

would, therefore, take them as he found them in those publications,

while Mr. Thompson's presence would enable him to explain, correct, or

deny anything that might be erroneously stated. The first thing he

should attempt to do, was to impeach the competency of Mr. Thompson as

a witness in this or any similar case. Mr. Thompson had shown that he

was utterly incompetent, wisely to gather and faithfully to report

testimony on any subject involving great and complicated principles.

He did not wish to say anything personally offensive to Mr. Thompson;

but he must be plain, and he would first produce proof of what he

said, which was as it regarded this whole nation perfectly _ad

hominem_. He would show the audience what Mr. Thompson had said of

them, and then they would better judge what was his competency to be a

witness against the Americans. At a meeting in the Hopeton Rooms at

Edinburgh, since his return from the United States, Mr. Thompson said:

We were really under a worse bondage than the slaves of the

United States. We kissed our chains and hugged our fetters.

We were governed by our drunken appetite.

The lecturer, in the concluding portion of his address,

depicted in a tone of high moral feeling, the degraded

condition of Great Britain as a nation, in consequence of her

extreme drunkenness. He shewed that habits of intemperance,

or feelings and prejudices generated by intemperance,

pervaded every class, from the highest to the lowest, the

richest to the poorest. Statesmen bowed upon the altar of

expediency; and, above all, the sanctuary was not clean. As a

Christian nation, we were paralized in our efforts to

evangelize the world--partly by the millions upon millions

actually expended upon ardent spirits--partly by the selfish

and demoralizing feelings which this sensual indulgence in

particular was known to produce. How could we, as a nation,

upbraid America with her system of slavery when we ourselves

were but glorying in a voluntary slavery of a thousand times

more defiling and abominable description? In our own country,

it might be said that there was, as it were, a conspiracy

against the bodies and souls of her people.

Now in any Court of Justice, he would take his stand upon the fact

that the man who made that speech must be a _monomaniac_, and he

believed no competent tribunal, after hearing it, would receive his

testimony as to the character or conduct of any nation on the face of

the earth. Or if there lingered a doubt on the subject, he should show

from the burden of his charges against America, that he spoke in the

same general spirit, and nearly in the very same terms of her as of

Britain, although the fault found with each country was totally

different. He spoke of each as the very worst nation on the earth,

because of the special crime charged. Any man who could allow himself

to say that the two most enlightened nations on earth were in

substance the two most degraded nations on earth; who could permit

himself to bring such _railing accusations_ successively against two

great people, on account of the sins of a small portion of each, which

he had looked at till he could see nothing else, and with the

perseverance of a goldleaf-beater, exercised his ingenuity in

stretching out to the utmost limits over each community; a man who not

only can see little to love anywhere that does not derive its

complexion from himself, and who, the moment he finds a blot on his

brethren, or his country, instead of walking backwards and hiding it

with the filial piety of the elder sons of Noah, mocks over it with

the rude and unfeeling bitterness of Canaan; such a man is worthily

impeached, as incompetent to testify. Nay, I put the issue where Mr.

Thompson has put it. If this nation be such as he has described it to

be, I demand, with unanswerable emphasis, how can it dare to call us,

or any other people, to account on any subject whatever? If, on the

other hand, what he has said of this nation be false, I equally demand

how can he be credited in what he says of us--of any other nation

under the sun? After this caveat against all that such a witness could

say, he would in the first place observe, that all the accusations

brought by Mr. Thompson against Americans, were imbued with such

bitterness and intemperance as ought to awaken suspicion in the minds

of all who hear them. There was visible not only a violent national

antipathy against that whole country, but also a strong prejudice in

favor of the one side and against the other in the local parties

there, which, before any impartial tribunal, ought greatly to weaken

any credit that might otherwise be attached to his testimony. Besides

an open hostility to the nation as such, and a most envomed hatred to

certain men, parties, and principles in America, the witness has

exhibited such a wounded feeling of vanity from his want of success in

America; such a glorying of his friends, and that just in proportion

to their subserviency to him, and such a contemptuous and unmerited

depreciation of his opponents, as should put every man who reads or

hears his proofs at once on his guard. As to the opinions and

conclusions of such a person, even from admitted facts, they are of

course worthless; and his inferences from hearsay and idle reports,

worse than trash. But what I mean to say is, that such a witness,

considered strictly as testifying to what he asserts of his own

knowledge, is to be heard by a just man with very great caution. For

my own part, at the risk of being called again a pettifogger, by this

informer, I am bound to say that his conduct impeaches his credibility

fully as much as it has before been shown to affect his competency;

and while I have peculiar knowledge of the facts, sufficient to assert

that his main accusations are false, I fully believe that the case he

had himself made, did of itself justify all good men to draw the same

conclusion, merely from general principles. I will venture to go a

step farther, and express the opinion that they who are acquainted

with Mr. Thompson, as he exhibits himself in the public eye, and who

have knowledge of the past success, which really did, or which he

allows himself to believe did attend his efforts in West-India

emancipation, (a success, however, which I do not comprehend, as the

case was settled against him and his party, on the two chief points on

which they staked themselves, namely, _immediate abolition_ and _no

compensation_,) they who can call to mind the preparation and

pretension with which he set out for America, the gigantic work he had

carved for himself there, the signal defeat he met with, and the

terror in which he fled the country; may find enough to justify the

fear that the fate of George Thompson has fully as large a share in

his recollections of America as the fate of the poor slave. In the

_second place_, I charge upon Mr. Thompson that those parts of his

statements which might possibly be in part true, are so put as to

create false impressions, and have nearly the same effect as if they

were wholly false on the minds of those who read or hear them. This

results from the constant manner of stating what might possibly be

true; and it is not only calculated to produce a false impression, and

make the casual reader believe in a result different from what would

be presented if Mr. Thompson were on oath and forced to tell the whole

truth, but the uniformity and dexterity with which this is done,

leaves us astonished how it could be accidental. He (Mr. B.) assumed

that all of them had read or would read Mr. Thompson's charges. After

doing so they would the better apprehend what was now meant; but, in

the mean time, he would illustrate it by a case or two. Thus, when Mr.

T. spoke of the ministers in the United States being slave-holders, he

did it in such a way as to lead the reader to believe that this was a

general thing; that the most of them, if not the whole of them, were

slave-owners. He did not tell them that none of the ministers in

twelve whole States were or could easily be slave-holders, seeing they

were not inhabitants of a slave State; he did not tell them that the

cases of ministers owning slaves were rare even in some of the slave

States; and a fair sample of the majority in not a single State of the

Union; he left the charge indefinite, and did not condescend to tell

whether the number of ministers so accused was one half, or one third,

or one fourth, or one hundredth part of the whole number in the United

States. He left it wholly indefinite, on the broad charge that

American ministers were slave-holding ministers; knowing, perhaps

intending, that the impression taken up should be of the aggregate

mass of American ministers; when he knew himself all the while that

the overwhelming mass of American ministers had never owned a slave;

and that those who had, were exceptions from the general rule rather

than samples of the whole. It may well be asked how much less sinful

it was to rob men of their good name, than of their freedom? Not

content with even this injustice, Mr. Thompson had gone so far as to

charge the ministers of America with dealing in slaves; _slave-driving

ministers_ and _slave-dealing ministers_, were amongst his common

accusations. Now, said Mr. B., he would lay a strong constraint upon

himself, and reply to these statements as if they were not at once

atrocious and insupportable. The terms used by Mr. Thompson were

universally understood in the United States, to mean the carrying on

of a regular traffic in slaves as a business. The meaning was the same

here, and every one who had heard or read one of his printed speeches,

was ex vi termini obliged to understand this charge like the

preceding, as expressing his testimony as to the conduct of American

ministers generally, if not universally.

Now I will admit that there may be in America, one minister in one

thousand, or perhaps five hundred, who may at some period of his

ministry, when he had no sufficient light on the subject, have bought

or sold slaves a single time, or perhaps twice, or possibly thrice.

But I solemnly declare I never knew, nor heard of, nor do I believe

there exists in all America, one such minister, as is above described;

nor any sect that would hold fellowship with him. He would throw under

the _third general head_ charges of a different kind from the

preceding. Mr. Thompson, when generalities fail, takes up some extreme

case, which might probably be founded on truth, and gives it as a

specimen of the general practice; thereby creating by false instances,

as well as by indefinite accusations, an impression which he knows to

be entirely foreign from the truth. If he, (Mr. B.) were to tell in

America that on his way to this meeting to-night, he saw two blind men

begging in the streets, with their arms locked to support their

tottering steps, while the crowd passed them idly by; and if he gave

this as a specimen of the manner in which the unfortunate poor were

treated in Scotland, he would not give a worse impression, nor make a

more unfair statement of the fact, than Mr. Thompson had done, nearly

without exception, in his statements of America. Such a spirit and

practice as this, pervaded the whole of Mr. Thompson's speeches. He

would select a few instances to enforce his meaning. There was a

single Presbyterian Church at Nashville, Tennessee. Now he, (Mr. B.)

happened, in the providence of God, to be somewhat acquainted with the

past history of that church; and was happy to call its present

benevolent minister his friend. He could consequently speak of it from

his own knowledge. Mr. Thompson said that a young man went to

Nashville, who, either through his own imprudence, or the violence of

the disjointed times, was arrested, tried by a popular committee,

found guilty of spreading seditious papers, and sentenced to be

whipped; that he had received twenty lashes, and was then discharged.

This he believed to be substantially true, and well remembered hearing

of the occurrence; and taking the young man's account of it as true,

he had been greatly shocked at it, and had now no idea of defending

it. But in Mr. Thompson's statement of the case, there was a minute

misrepresentation, which showed singular indifference to facts. Mr. T.

said the young man went to Tennessee to sell cottage bibles, in which

business he succeeded well, for the reason, adds the narrator, that

Bibles were scarce in the South; although he could not fail to know,

that before the period in question, every family in all those States

that would receive a Bible, had been furnished with one by the various

Bible Societies. This, however, was not the main reason for a

reference to this case; but was mentioned incidentally, to show the

nature of the feelings and accusations indulged in by this gentleman.

His account went on to say, sometimes that there were seven, sometimes

eleven elders of this Presbyterian Church. It was not intended to lay

any stress on the discrepancy; as the fault might be the reporter's.

But seven, or eleven; it was again and again charged, that all of

them, every one, was present, trying, and consenting to the punishment

of the unhappy young man, "plowing up his back," and mingling, perhaps

in the mob who cursed him, even for his prayers. To make the case

inexpressibly horrible, it is added, that these seven or eleven

elders, had as to part of them, distributed the sacramental elements,

to the abolitionist, the very Sabbath before, the day on which the

seven elders participated in this outrage. Now I say first, that if

this story were literally true, no man knows better than Mr. Thompson,

that no falsehood could be more glaring than to say or insinuate, that

the case would be a fair average specimen of what the leading men in

the American churches generally might be expected to do, in like

circumstances. Yet for this purpose, he has repeatedly used it! No man

could know better than he, that if the case were true in all its

parts, it would every where be accounted a violent and unprecedented

thing, which could happen at all only in most extraordinary

circumstances. Yet he has so stated it, over and over, as to force the

impression that it is a fair sample of American Christianity. But,

said Mr. B. I call in question all parts of the story, that implicate

any Christian. I do not believe the statements. Let me have proof. I

do not believe there were either seven or eleven elders in the church

in question. Record their names. If there were so many, it is next to

impossible, that every one of them, was on the comparatively small

committee that tried the abolitionist. Produce the proofs; and I

believe it will turn out, that if either of them was present, it was

to mitigate popular violence; and that his influence perhaps, saved

the life of him he is traduced for having oppressed. He did not mean

to stake his assertion against proof; but from his experience and

general knowledge of the parties, he had no hesitation in giving it as

his opinion, that the facts, when known, would not justify the

assertions of Mr. Thompson, even as to the particular case; and

believing this, I again challenge the production of his authority.

But, if it be true in all its parts, I repeat, it is every thing but

truth, to say that it affords a just specimen of the elders of the

Presbyterian Churches of America. Another case resembling the

preceding in its principle, is found in what Mr. Thompson has said of

the Baptists of the Southern States. There are, says he, above 157,000

members in upwards of 3000 Baptist Churches, in those States, "almost

all both ministers and members being slave holders." Allowing this

statement to be true, and that each slave holder has ten slaves on an

average, which is too small for the truth, there would be an amount of

slaves equal to 1,570,000 owned by the Baptist of the Southern States.

If this be true, and the census of 1830 true also, there were only

left about 500,000 slaves to divide among all the other churches;

leaving for the remainder of the people, none at all! So that after

all this, though churches be bad, the nation is clean enough.

Let us now make some allowance for this gentleman's extravagance,

especially as he did think he was speaking under correction, and

divide his 157,000 Baptists into 52,000 families, of three professors

of religion in each. This is more than the average for each family;

especially in a church admitting only adults; and the true number of

families, for that number of professors, would be nearer one hundred

than fifty thousand. Twenty slaves to the family is below the average

of the slave owning families of the South; so that at the lowest rate,

the Baptists in a few States, according to this person, own 1,040,000

slaves at the least, or above half the number that our last census

gives to the whole union. The extraordinary folly of such statements,

would appear more clearly to the audience when they understood, that

as large a proportion of all the blacks, as of all the whites in

America are professors of religion; that above half of all slaves who

profess religion, are Baptists; and that, therefore, if there are

157,000 Baptists in the Southern States, instead of being "almost all

slave holders," at least a third of them are themselves slaves. He

gave these instances to show that Mr. Thompson had taken extreme cases

containing some show of truth as specimens of the whole of America,

and had thereby produced totally false impressions. What truth there

was in them, was so terrifically exaggerated, that no dependence

whatever could be placed upon any of his testimony. And this would be

still more manifest after examining the charge brought by Mr.

Thompson, that the very churches in America own slaves; and several of

his speeches contain a pretty little dialogue with some slaves in the

fields, the whole interest of which turns on their calling themselves

"_the Church's Slaves_." This was spoken of as it were in accordance

with the usual course of things in the United States. Indeed, Mr.

Thompson had not only spoken with his usual violence and generality of

the "slave holding churches of America," and declared his conviction

that "all the guilt of the system" should be laid "on the church of

America;" but at the very latest joint exhibition of himself and his

friend _Moses Roper_, in London, it was stated by the latter in one of

his usual interludes to Mr. Thompson, perhaps in his presence,

certainly uncontradicted, that, slave holding was universally

practised by "all Christian _societies_" in America; the societies of

Friends only excepted. It may excite a blush in America, to know that

the poor negro's silly falsehood was received with cheers by the

London audience.

What then should the similar declarations of Mr. Thompson, made

deliberately and repeatedly, and with infinite pretence of candour and

affection, what feelings _can_ they excite; and how will that insulted

people regard the easy credulity which has led the Christians of

Britain to believe and reiterate charges in which it is not easy to

tell whether there is less truth or more malignity? For how stood the

facts? What church owns slaves? What Christian corporation is a

proprietor of men? Out of our ten thousand churches perhaps half are

involved in this sin? Perhaps a tenth part? Surely one Presbytery at

least? No,--this mountain of fiction has but a grain of truth to

support its vast and hateful proportions. If there be above five

congregations in all America that own slaves, I never heard of them.

The actual number, of whose existence I ever heard, is, I believe,

precisely _three_! They are all Presbyterian congregations, and

churches situated in the southern part of Virginia, and got into their

unhappy condition in the following manner:--Many years ago, during

those times of ignorance at which God winked--when such a man as John

Newton could go a slaving voyage to Africa, and write back that he

never had enjoyed sweeter communion with God than on that voyage;

during such a period as that, a few well meaning individuals had

bequeathed a small number of slaves for the support of the gospel in

three or four churches. These unfortunate legacies had increased and

multiplied themselves to a great extent, and under present

circumstances to a most inconvenient degree. A fact which puts the

clearest contradiction on that assertion of this "accuser of the

brethren"--representing their condition as being one of unusual

privation and suffering. Of late years these cases had attracted

attention, and given great uneasiness to some of the persons connected

with these churches. I have on this platform, kindly furnished me,

like most of the other documents I have, since this debate was

publicly known--a volume of letters written to one of these churches

on the whole case, by the Rev. Mr. Paxton, at that time its pastor.

That gentleman is now on this side of the Atlantic, and may perhaps

explain what Mr. Thompson has so sedulously concealed; how he was a

colonizationist; how he manumitted and sent his own servants to

Liberia; how he labored in this particular matter with his church,

long before the existence of abolitionism; and how, finding the

difficulties insuperable, he had written this kind and modest volume,

worth all the abolition froth ever spued forth,--and left the charge

in which he found it so difficult to preserve at once an honest

conscience and a healthful influence. It will not, however, be

understood that even these few churches are worthy of the

indiscriminate abuse lavished on us, all for their sakes; nor that

their present path of duty is either an easy or a plain one. Whether

it is that there are express stipulations in the original instruments

conveying the slaves in trust for certain purposes; or whether the

general principle of law, which would transfer to the State, or to the

heir of the first owner, the slaves with their increase,--upon a

failure of the intention of the donor, either by act of God, or of the

parties themselves, embarrass the subject; it is very certain that

wiser and better men than either Mr. Thompson or myself, are convinced

that these vilified churches have no power whatever to set their

slaves free. If the churches were to give up the slaves, it could only

have the effect, it is believed, to send them into everlasting bondage

to the heirs of the original proprietors. They have therefore justly

considered it better for the slaves themselves that they should remain

as they were in a state of nominal servitude, rather than be remitted

into real slavery. Such is the real state of the few cases which have

first been exhibited as the sin, if not the actual condition of the

American churches; and then exaggerated into the utmost turpitude by

hiding every mitigating circumstance, adding some purely new, and

distorting all things. Whether right or wrong, the same state of

things exists amongst the Society of Friends in North Carolina, to a

partial extent, and in another form. They did not consider themselves

liable to just censure, although they held title in and authority over

slaves, as individuals, while they gave them their whole earnings, and

had collected large sums from their brethren in England, which were

applied to the benefit of these slaves. It is not now for the first

time that charges have been made against the Church of God--that Judah

is like all the heathen. But all who embark in such courses--have met

with the common fate of the revilers of God's people; and they, with

such as select to stand in their lot--may find in the word of life a

worse end apportioned for them, than even for those they denounce, in

case every word they utter had been true. We bless God that no weapon

formed against Zion can prosper. There was one other instance which he

had noted under this head as requiring some comment, which could not

bear omission, regarding the private members of the Christian churches

in the United States, of whom a casual hearer or reader of Mr.

Thompson's speeches would believe that the far greater part actually

owned slaves; that very few, and they almost exclusively

abolitionists, considered slavery at all wrong; that with one accord

they deprived the slaves of all religious privileges, and used them,

not only as a chattel, but as nothing else than a chattel. According

to our last census, there were about 11,000,000 of whites, 2,000,000

of slaves, and 400,000 free blacks in America, making a total of

nearly thirteen and a half millions. All the slaves were gathered into

the 12 most southerly states, free blacks were not far from half in

the free and half in the slave states, and of the whites over

7,000,000 were in the free, and less than 3,000,000 in the slave

states. The best information I possess on this subject, authorizes me

to say--about 1 person in 9, throughout the nation, black and white,

is a member of a Christian church, the proportion being somewhat

larger to the north, and comparatively smaller at the south. There

are, therefore, above 1,100,000 white Christians in the United States,

of which about 800,000 live in the 12 free States, and neither own

slaves nor think slavery right; leaving rather over 330,000 for the 12

slave States. Now, if these white Christians in the slave States own

all the slaves, and the other 8-9ths of the whites owned none at all,

there will be only about 6 slaves to each Christian there, a number

far below the average of the slave holders; and all the North, and all

the South, except Christians, free of charge and guilt, in the

specific thing. But if we divide these Christians into families, and

suppose there may be as many, as one in three or four of them, who is

a head of a family, say 100,000; and that they own all the slaves: in

that case, there would be an average of twenty slaves to every white

head of a Christian family in the slave States. But here again all the

slaves would be absorbed: all the North innocent, above two-thirds of

the Christians at the South proved to be not slave holders at all;

and all the followers of the devil wholly innocent of that crime.

These calculations demonstrate that these accusations are as

groundless and absurd as any of the preceding. And while it is

painfully true that in the slaveholding States far too many Christians

do still own slaves; it is equally true, that they bear a small

proportion to those who own none, even in those States. If we suppose

the Christians in America to be about on an equal footing as to wealth

with other people; and to have no more conscience about slavery, than

those around them in the slave States; and that twenty slaves may be

taken as the average, to each master; and a ninth of the people pious,

as stated before, it follows that only about 11,000 professors of

religion can be slaveholders; or about one in every hundred of the

whole number in the nation. Yet every one of the above suppositions is

against the churches, and yet upon this basis rests the charges of a

candid, affectionate Christian brother against them all! The only

remaining illustration of Mr. Thompson's proneness to represent a

little truth, in such a way as to have all the effects of an immense

misrepresentation, regards his own posture, doings and sufferings in

America. "Fourteen months of toil, of peril, and persecution, almost

unparalleled;" "there were paid myrmidons seeking my blood;" "there

were thousands waiting to rejoice over my destruction;" "when any

individual tells George Thompson who has put his life into his hands,

and gone where slavery is rife; when I, George Thompson, am told I am

to be spared," &c. Similar statements, ad infinitum, fill up all his

speeches; and are noticed now, not for the purpose of commenting on,

or even contradicting them, but of affording my countrymen, who may

chance to see the report of this discussion, specimens, as our

certificates often run "of the modesty, probity, and good demeanor,"

of the individual.

He would pass next to a fourth general objection against Mr.

Thompson's testimony, as regards America, which was, that much of it

was in the strictest sense, positively untrue. For instance, Mr.

Thompson had twice put a runaway slave forward upon the platform at

London; or at least connived at the doing of it; who stated of his own

knowledge, that a Mr. Garrison, of South Carolina, had paid 500

dollars for a slave, that he might burn him, and that he had done so

without hindrance or challenge, afterwards. This statement Mr. T. has

never yet contradicted in any one of his numerous speeches, although

he must have known it to be untrue. I have myself several times

directed his attention to the subject, and yet the only answer is,

"expressive silence." Then I distinctly challenge his notice of the

case; and while I solemnly declare, that according to my belief,

whoever should do such an act in any part of America, would be hung: I

as distinctly charge Mr. Thompson, with giving countenance to, and

deriving countenance from this wilful misstatement.

As an other instance of the same kind, you are told that a free man

was sold from the jail at Washington city, as a slave, without even

the form of a trial; which is farther aggravated by the assertion

that this is vouched as a fact, on the testimony of 1000 signatures.

This matter, when Mr. Thompson's own proof is produced, resolves

itself into this: that Mr. Thompson said, there had been a thousand

signatures to a certain paper, which said, that a certain man taken up

as a runaway slave, said he was free! If he was a slave, the whole

case falls; whether he was a slave or not, was a fact that could have

been judicially investigated and decided, if the person most

interested, or any other, had chosen to demand it. So that in point of

fact, Mr. Thompson's whole statements, touching this oft repeated

case, are all purely gratuitous. And with what horror, must every good

man hear that Mr. Thompson, within the last two or three weeks, told a

crowd of people in Mr. Price's Chapel, Devonshire Square, London, in

allusion to this very case, that the poor black had "DEMONSTRATED HIS

FREEDOM," and afterwards been "sold into everlasting bondage!" And yet

upon this fiction he bases one of his most effective "illustrations of

American slavery," and some of his fiercest denunciations of the

American people. Oh! shame, where is thy blush! He could if time

permitted exhibit other cases,--in principle perhaps worse than these;

in which neither the false assertions of Moses Roper--nor the

pretended evidence of misrepresented petitions existed to make a show

of evidence; and which nothing but the most extraordinary ignorance,

or recklessness could explain. Such are the assertions made by himself

or his coadjutors in his presence, that slaves are brought to the

district of Columbia from all the slave states for sale; that five

years is the average number, that slaves carried to the Southern

States live; that slaves without trial, or even examination, were

often executed, by tens, twenties, and even thirties; that the banner

of the United States, which floated over a slave dealing congress, in

the midst of the slave market of the entire nation, had the word

"_Liberty_" upon it (which single sentence contained three

misstatements;) that religious men weighed children in scales, and

sold them by the pound like meat;--that there were 2,000,000 of slaves

in America who never heard the name of Christ; that no white man would

ever be respected after he had been seen to shake hands with a man of

colour; all which _unnameable_ assertions are contained, along with

double as many others like them, in one single newspaper (the London

_Patriot_ of June 1, 1835;) and in a portion of the report of only two

of Mr. Thompson's meetings! Alas! for poor human nature! Having now

gone through all that his time permitted him to say, of the proof

against America, he would lay before them some counter testimony upon

several parts of this great subject. He had at one time greatly feared

that he might be obliged to ask them to believe his mere word, perhaps

in the face of other proof; but through the providence of God, he had

been put in possession of a very limited file of American newspapers,

from the contents of which he thought he should be able to make out as

strong a case for the truth, as he had proved the case against it to

be weak and rotten. There were so many denominations of Christians in

America, that he would only tire the meeting by enumerating them.

They were of every variety of name and opinion. As to many of them he

knew but little, and the present audience perhaps less. The Societies

of Friends generally did not tolerate slaveholding among their

members; neither did the Covenanters. The Congregationalists, or

Independents, had not, he believed, a dozen churches in all the Slave

States, and, of course, they should be considered as exempt from the

charge. It was, however, the less necessary to occupy ourselves in

general remarks, inasmuch as Mr. Thompson had laid the stress of his

accusations on the three great denominations of America. "He took all

the guilt of this system, and he laid it where? On the Church of

America. When he said the Church, he did not allude to any particular

denomination. He spoke of Baptists, Presbyterians, and Methodists, the

three great props--the all-sustaining pillars of that blood-cemented

fabric." Such were the words of Mr. T., and it would therefore be

needless to trouble ourselves about the minor, if we could settle the

major to our satisfaction. As to two of these denominations, he should

say but little; his chief and natural business being to defend that

one of which he knew most. In regard to the Baptists, he was sorry to

be obliged to say, that he believed they were the least defensible of

the three denominations, now principally implicated; indeed that some

of their Associations had taken ground on the whole case, from which

he entirely dissented,--and which, he was sure, had given great pain

to the majority of their own brethren. He begged leave to refer them

to the work of Drs. Cox and Hoby, just through the press, in which he

presumed, for he had not seen it, they would find an authentic and

ample information on this and every other point relating to that

denomination in America. In relation to the Methodists, his knowledge

was both more full and more accurate. Their discipline denounced

Slavery, and prohibited their Members from owning slaves, and though

their discipline itself was not carried into effect with rigid

exactness, he did not believe that there was a Methodist Church in the

United States, or upon the Earth, which owned slaves, as a Church. He

believed that very few Methodist preachers--indeed, almost none, owned

any slaves, and nothing but the most direct proof could for a moment

make him believe, that one of them was a slave-dealer. The whole sect,

or at least the great majority of it, might be considered as fairly

represented, in the following Resolutions passed in the Conference,

held at Baltimore; and which could be a set off to those read by Mr.

Thompson, from one of the northern Conferences.

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