Mr. VOSHININ. Bogoiavlensky.
Mr. JENNER. Yes. Who is now in a mental institution in California?
Mr. VOSHININ. That's right.
Mr. JENNER. And that he was a Communist?
Mr. VOSHININ. Yes; in his young days.
Mr. JENNER. Well, when you say "Communist"--an active member of the
Communist Party?
Mr. VOSHININ. I think of the Communist Youth Organization. Because it
was not in Soviet Russia; it was in China.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. VOSHININ. But of some kind--I don't know what the official name
of the organization may be--but it was some kind of Communist Youth
Organization.
So she said when she married him that the situation what it was and
they did not want to stay in China and they debated the question of
whether to go to Soviet Russia or to go to United States. And she said
that it's her influence was to break up--that he break up all his ties
with the Communists. And come to the United States.
Mr. JENNER. That was her desire?
Mr. VOSHININ. She said that was her desire. And she said that's what
her first husband did--that they broke off with the Communists and
come over to the United States. And she said, "Since then, neither my
husband or me have anything to do with the Communist Party."
That's her story.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. VOSHININ. On the other hand, she was always praising the Chinese
Communist regime--because she was saying that they do a lot of good
developing her beloved native country.
Mr. JENNER. China?
Mr. VOSHININ. China.
When she said--mentioned that in my presence, I said, "This is pure
Communist propaganda. You should know better than tell that."
On this she repeated very, you know angrily, she say, "You should
not tell me that I spread Communist propaganda--because they shot my
father."
That's what she said.
But that argument of whether the Communists do anything positive for
China or not was, you know, coming back and back.
Mr. JENNER. Repeated?
Mr. VOSHININ. Repeatedly when we met. And sometimes, especially my wife
and her were so angry with each other that we wouldn't talk with them,
you know, for several months. But somehow you meet these people again
somewhere in the same social circle, then you talk to them again.
Mr. JENNER. There was a violent difference of opinion between your wife
and Mrs. De Mohrenschildt on this subject?
Mr. VOSHININ. On this subject.
But where the Russian Communists are concerned, she always said that
they are too nationalistic for her. She doesn't like--she didn't like
that.
Mr. JENNER. Mrs. De Mohrenschildt?
Mr. VOSHININ. Mrs. De Mohrenschildt didn't like that.
She said, "I don't like anything about Russia." She didn't like Russian
music, she wouldn't stand a record in Russian language, or even
anybody, you know, whistling a Russian tune. She would get so angry I
don't know what.
And she would say, "I am against nationalism of any kind. I am for the
world government." She was very much for the world government, you
know, and things like that--international institutions and--uh; but,
on the other hand, when you start, you know, pressing her against the
wall, you say, "Well, stop that. That's kind of communistic talk,"--she
would immediately bring into the thing that "They killed my poor
father. I just want to be objective, you know, and say what's bad,
what's good." And she said, "you are all one-sided reactionaries,"
and so on, and "what do you think?" "I would praise the killers of my
father?" And so on. "I just want to be objective."
Well, you know, I don't like to argue with, you know, too much with
women; so I just stay away from that argument. But my wife will
probably tell you.