I think that's it.

Mr. JENNER. That spelling makes sense. I think that's probably an

accurate spelling.

Mr. VOSHININ. Her daughter still keeps this name.

Mr. JENNER. What is her daughter's first name--the one you now have in

mind?

Mr. VOSHININ. Christina.

Mr. JENNER. Christina. And she also had a child--Alexandra?

Mr. VOSHININ. I don't know anything about it.

Mr. JENNER. Did De Mohrenschildt have a daughter by the name of

Alexandra?

Mr. VOSHININ. De Mohrenschildt has two daughters, but I wouldn't know

their names.

Mr. JENNER. All right.

Mr. VOSHININ. Though I met both girls, but I somehow slipped up. My

wife probably knows them.

Mr. JENNER. All right.

Mr. VOSHININ. Christina Bogoiavlensky is a very good girl--and her

husband, too. They are quite different from the parents.

Mr. JENNER. Go ahead.

Mr. VOSHININ. So, after that assignment in Yugoslavia, he had an

assignment in Ghana--which somehow puzzled us. First of all, it was a

pretty short assignment; secondly, that the thing is that he showed us

a newspaper edited in Ghana in which, on the first page, was a short

article describing the arrival of "this famous specialist in postal

stamps--Mr. De Mohrenschildt, who came to Ghana on business as a

representative of a Swedish company."

Well, De Mohrenschildt, what he says about that, he says, "Oh, those

jerks--they don't know anything."

Mr. JENNER. Now, excuse me. The newspaper account was to the effect

that De Mohrenschildt had come to Ghana as a representative of a

Swedish company?

Mr. VOSHININ. Well, I don't know whether the word "Swedish," was in

there--but it said, "As a representative,"--and he said that it would

be this Swedish company.

Mr. JENNER. He said that it was a Swedish company?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yeah. The newspaper may just had the name of the company,

you know.

Mr. JENNER. But it did mention De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. VOSHININ. Oh, yes. "George De Mohrenschildt, famous philatelist and

specialist in stamps"--and so on.

And I said, "George, since when do you understand anything in stamps?

Since when are you a specialist in postal stamps?"

"Oh," he said, "I'm not; but, first of all, those jerks there, they

don't know the difference anyhow; besides that, that company also

provides Ghana and other African country with stamps, and it also has

trades in different other commodities and also has oil interests in

Africa." So, he says, "I went there as their representative to see what

parts of the country they would lease there for, you know, for oil

leases and assign--and sign some kind of contract with them--with the

Government of Ghana--in their name, and came back to Dallas.

Mr. JENNER. And then he returned to Dallas?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yeah. And, later, he also referred that that company has

interests in Nigeria--and he says, "you know, I am Swedish--so they

rely on me."

The whole thing puzzles us a little because I think there are

many geologists in Sweden itself--but perhaps they don't have oil

specialists there. I think there is no oil in Sweden.

Mr. JENNER. Did you and the other members of the community think that

he was exaggerating or this was all fictional?

Mr. VOSHININ. Well, I couldn't doubt when the newspaper says that.

Mr. JENNER. When the Ghana newspaper said that?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yeah. So he must have been in Ghana. He wouldn't print

that newspaper--I hope. But, of course, he is a man who exaggerates

a lot. He is that kind of character. I never believe 100 percent of

whatever he was talking, because he was always, you know, making talk

much more than he actually is.

Mr. JENNER. At least, he tended to exaggerate?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yes; because he always posed everybody as a big shot, you

know.

Mr. JENNER. Everybody with whom he was associated?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yes, are--or to whom he met--that he was a, you know,

big businessman, big oil man, and so on--big specialist. And he wrote

an article about himself in the Oil and Gas Journal about Yugoslavia,

his trip to Yugoslavia, and it was said that by knowledge of the State

Department he was there; and it was implied that he was actually

in the Foreign Aid, you know, and that he--and it was said, you

know, like a little thing, you know, an explanation he wrote about

himself. You can get that Oil and Gas Journal. And it was said that

Mr. De Mohrenschildt is an internationally know specialist in oil, a

consultant to at least six different governments and so on. And there

was--all kind of countries were there, I don't know which ones but, of

course, Yugoslavia was mentioned there. And he tells about his trip to

Yugoslavia and he told everybody then after--when he came back from

Yugoslavia he was called to the State Department to give his opinion on

the state of affairs in Yugoslavia--"And I gave quite a lecture there

to those boys there in the State Department. They all sat down and

listened to me." You know, that kind of talk.

So, then he was in Ghana and I heard he was a second time in Ghana and

a second time in Yugoslavia--but I didn't hear it from him. I just

heard that as a rumor.

And then when he was in Yugoslavia, he also made a trip to Sweden,

after Yugoslavia, and from Sweden he went to Poland, to Warsaw. And,

you know, in Warsaw he went to high school and he had a lot of friends

and relatives--so he said he stayed there for a week, and----

Mr. JENNER. When was this? When did this take place?

Mr. VOSHININ. In Poland, I think was 1958, because he was in 1957,

1958, he was in Yugoslavia and after Yugoslavia I think he went to

Sweden and from Sweden he went to Warsaw to see relatives. He has

cousins there. He said it was very difficult for him because to get

even the permission of the American Government to go there and visit

Poland, but he finally got it, and the Polish visa he finally got that.

And he went to see his relatives and friends for a week. And he said

that Warsaw made on him a very sad impression because he said it was

much more cheerful city before the war and he used to live there. And,

besides that, he made a lot of travels which we don't know. Of course,

one trip was his famous trip when he went by foot to Panama City.

Mr. JENNER. Fix the time of that, please?

Mr. VOSHININ. That was 1960, 1961.

Mr. JENNER. Was that at about the time of the Cuban invasion or the

preparations for the Cuban invasion?

Mr. VOSHININ. I don't know. No. Cuban invasion was much later. You mean

our Cuban invasion?

Mr. JENNER. I don't want to say it was our Cuban invasion--but there

was an invasion of Cuba.

Mr. VOSHININ. Well, I take that from the record.

Mr. JENNER. Was it about this time?

Mr. VOSHININ. No, that was before that time, I would say, because it

was in 1960. We don't know when they left because we were not on

speaking terms at that time.

Mr. JENNER. Had there come about a break in friendship with De

Mohrenschildt?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yes; but that was about the time when they left on their

trip.

Mr. JENNER. They were supposed to do what?

Mr. VOSHININ. To go by foot from Torreon on to Panama City. This is a

city near the American border there and, as we were explained later by

them, they went to Torreon. They have a lot of friends on the border,

you know. There is particularly a very rich man there who is American

married with a Mexican girl--a very rich man living near Eagle Pass.

Mr. JENNER. Do you recall his name?

Mr. VOSHININ. Tito Harper, I think.

Mr. JENNER. Harper? Tito Harper?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yeah; I think so. You can check it with my wife. I never

met him but I met his wife. They're very nice people, very rich people,

big businessman there on the border. They have, you know, business on

both sides of the border, and they are big friends of George.

And, from there, he went to Torreon--I don't know why Torreon--and

I understand that from there they started by foot to cross Old

Mexico, Guatemala, San Salvador, and all the countries throughout by

foot--having a mule and on the mule they had their, you know, their

belongings, and a little mule and a little dog, and the mule rode the

dog--I mean, the dog rode the mule--and that way they traveled, you

know, badly dressed, through all those countries for more than a year.

In order not to be killed, you know, they dressed very badly because

it's dangerous. You know this already. They didn't go along the main

highways, they went through the back passes, you know, through all the

hills.

And they made a movie on their whole travel, which I saw. And, for

example, they climbed the volcano which was in action up to the

top--which was erupting. They made a movie of her standing from the

lava flow as from here to the door (indicating a few feet.) And he

made the movie--it's real exciting--a colored movie and that red lava

flowing--you know, these people are very adventurous and, of course,

they enjoy doing things like that. I wouldn't climb it.

And, so, they finally came to Panama City. And then from Panama City

they flew to Haiti where George had a very close friend--also a very

rich man there of Russian background on Haiti.

Mr. JENNER. Did he mention his name?

Mr. VOSHININ. He's dead now.

Mr. JENNER. He's dead? Did he mention his name?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yes, he was--I'm bad on names. His first name was

Michel--which is Michael, of course, and what the second name is,

I don't know--Brightman. He was a very old man who was a local

businessman on Haiti, and he died since.

Mr. JENNER. All right.

Mr. VOSHININ. And as antireligious as they both were, they came to

church and ordered a church service for Brightman. That was the only

time she was in the church--because she's more antireligious than he is.

Mr. JENNER. Now, when you say "she," you mean Mrs. De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. VOSHININ. Mrs. De Mohrenschildt--yes. Because he's not religious,

not believing in God, but he's not fighting it. But she----

Mr. JENNER. He's not antagonistic to religion but she is?

Mr. VOSHININ. She is. Yeah. But the only time she came--and she cried

in the church.

Mr. JENNER. Now, which church is this? Here in Dallas or in Haiti?

Mr. VOSHININ. Here.

Mr. JENNER. I see.

Mr. VOSHININ. When they came back, you see, from there, Brightman died

after--pretty soon, and they came to the church--which puzzled our

pastor very much, Father Royster--and they asked for a church service.

Mr. JENNER. They asked to have a mass said for the deceased Mr.

Brightman?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yeah. So, after that, when he came already he said he

would like to look for another assignment.

Mr. JENNER. Excuse me. Was there anything said when they came back,

or reports that when they were in Guatemala that they occupied a home

there of some people, I think, from Arizona--Hilton or Tilton?

Mr. VOSHININ. No--not that I know of.

Mr. JENNER. Or a name of that character? And they stayed in Guatemala

while the Cuban refugees were being trained?

Mr. VOSHININ. No; I didn't hear about that.

Mr. JENNER. You didn't? All right.

Mr. VOSHININ. You see, they didn't write us from their trip.

Mr. JENNER. All right.

Mr. VOSHININ. What we heard from their trip, we heard actually from Mr.

and Mrs. Ballen.

Mr. JENNER. [Spelling] B-a-l-l-e-n--Sam Ballen?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yeah.

Mr. JENNER. Sam Ballen is a friend of theirs?

Mr. VOSHININ. Sam Ballen was then a friend of theirs and Sam Ballen was

a friend of the boss, Mr. Rogatz, my wife's boss. That's how we came to

know Mr. Ballen, through Mr. Rogatz. Mr. Ballen was there almost every

day in Rogatz' office.

Mr. JENNER. But Ballen was a particular friend of De Mohrenschildt; is

that correct?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yes; I would say so. Ballen had some kind of admiration

of George--which I can't share too well. I think George is a very

interesting fellow, I enjoyed talking with him--taking, of course, 30

or 40 percent off of what he says. But still the rest of it was always

interesting because, you know, a man who travels, always travels,

always tells something interesting about the country. And George had a

certain talent of observation.

You know, he is writing a book about his travels to Panama and he has

it written day by day; and now he wants to sell this book. He read us a

few pages from that book.

Mr. DAVIS. Is that George Bouhe?

Mr. VOSHININ. No; George De Mohrenschildt. George Bouhe is an unusually

dumb person. And then he finally got this Haiti assignment, of course.

Mr. JENNER. And he left Dallas for the Haiti assignment when?

Mr. VOSHININ. Well, somewhere in the spring last year.

Mr. JENNER. 1963?

Mr. VOSHININ. Yeah.

Mr. JENNER. What did he tell you about that assignment, if he told you

anything?

Mr. VOSHININ. Well, he showed us a newspaper again.

Mr. JENNER. What newspaper?

Mr. VOSHININ. From Haiti.

Mr. JENNER. And to what effect was the article in the paper?

Mr. VOSHININ. It was more than a page.

Mr. JENNER. More than a page?

Mr. VOSHININ. It may--it was more than a page and it was the official

newspaper of the Government of Haiti--which was a contract between the

Government of Haiti and George De Mohrenschildt Co., Inc.--not George

De Mohrenschildt himself--to make a magnetic survey of Haiti for the

sum of--I don't remember exactly--about $300,000; in which it said that

Mr. De Mohrenschildt's company will, according to specification, make a

magnetic survey and also work on discoveries of minerals--oil and other

minerals.

Mr. JENNER. In Haiti?

Mr. VOSHININ. For the country of Haiti--and I think the contract is for

2 years.

I also saw another newspaper, which she showed to everybody--Mrs. De

Mohrenschildt--in which it was said that a contract was signed between

our country and Mr. De Mohrenschildt's company and Mr. De Mohrenschildt

is an American businessman who is just visiting now our country with

his wonderful wife. And she liked that, of course. And it was few more

words written about how wonderful she was--so she told--showed it to

everybody. Well, that's only human--"They say I'm a wonderful woman!"

Mr. JENNER. These two newspaper accounts were shown to you by the De

Mohrenschildts?

Mr. VOSHININ. That's right.

Mr. JENNER. While they were here in Dallas before they left for Haiti?

Mr. VOSHININ. No; they were in Haiti before they finally left there. It

was on a short trip to sign the contract.

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