Mr. DELGADO. Right.
Mr. LIEBELER. Henry R. Roussel, Jr.?
Mr. DELGADO. Right.
Mr. LIEBELER. He was from New Orleans, right?
Mr. DELGADO. No. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, right outside of LSU.
Mr. LIEBELER. Roussel was from Baton Rouge?
Mr. DELGADO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember discussing Roussel with the FBI?
Mr. DELGADO. Right.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember telling them where he was from?
Mr. DELGADO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. What did you tell them?
Mr. DELGADO. Baton Rouge. On account of he had taken us to the LSU, you
know, university--campus.
Mr. LIEBELER. This is when you were at Biloxi?
Mr. DELGADO. No; this is at the terminal when we got discharged.
Roussel was on leave. I was discharged. I took Call--Call was
discharged also, and Call and myself and Roussel and another two or
three--two other guys, we made a trip to the east coast, but we went
down to the South to take Roussel home. And I remember it well, because
it was the year Billy Cannon was famous down there at the LSU.
Mr. LIEBELER. You didn't tell the FBI that Roussel was from New Orleans?
Mr. DELGADO. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember this Pfc. Murray? What is his first name?
Mr. DELGADO. Don.
Mr. LIEBELER. Don?
Mr. DELGADO. Don.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember him as knowing Spanish to about the
same extent that Oswald knew Spanish, or more or less? What is your
recollection on that?
Mr. DELGADO. He knew less than Oswald did when Oswald--the last time I
seen Oswald.
Mr. LIEBELER. How would you describe Murray's command of Spanish?
Mr. DELGADO. Not too good. In his particular instance it was phrases,
you know, that kind of talk.
Mr. LIEBELER. So that you weren't as successful in your attempts to
teach----
Mr. DELGADO. I didn't have the time. See, when we were in Biloxi, we
were both together, going to school there. But we didn't have the time
once we got to California. He was living off post. His wife was there,
so we didn't have that much time together.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did Murray move off post right away, or did he live on
the post for a while after he came to----
Mr. DELGADO. He lived about--after I got there, about 2 months, and
then his wife--he went to Florida and got married and brought his wife
in to California. I would say he moved off post about February of 1959.
Mr. LIEBELER. What did most of the marines call Oswald? Did they call
him Lee or----
Mr. DELGADO. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. Oswald, just by his last name?
Mr. DELGADO. Just Os or Oswald. Very seldom do you find in the
military, at least I haven't come in contact with, where one fellow
referred to another fellow by the first name. It's always by the last
name, mainly because the name is written on his jacket, you know. I
didn't even know his name was Lee.
Mr. LIEBELER. You didn't know that his first name was Lee?
Mr. DELGADO. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you say that you, concerning your contact with
Murray, just taught him a few phrases or answered questions when he
asked you questions about Spanish, or would you say that you engaged in
any kind of real program to teach him Spanish?
Mr. DELGADO. No; just answer some questions he had or phrases that he
wanted interpreted, that's it.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember a fellow by the name of Charley Brown in
your outfit?
Mr. DELGADO. Charley Brown?
Mr. LIEBELER. Yes.
Mr. DELGADO. No; that is a name I gave him. I believe it was one of
the fellows that was in the barracks with us at one time or another,
Charley Brown, but I can't recall.
Mr. LIEBELER. That doesn't ring a bell?
Mr. DELGADO. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you mention the name of Charley Brown to the FBI?
Mr. DELGADO. I may have. We got a Charley Brown in our outfit now.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now?
Mr. DELGADO. Yes; but I may have, may not have mentioned Charley Brown.
I gave them the name of who I thought--felt who the one or two colored
fellows were, but I couldn't think of it, and just made a stab in the
dark.
Mr. LIEBELER. You don't remember what the name was that you told the
FBI now?
Mr. DELGADO. No; Walt, Walt--Watts, that is the name I gave him, not
Brown.
Mr. LIEBELER. Can you think of anything else about Oswald that you
think might be of some help to the Commission in its investigation?
Mr. DELGADO. He didn't like the immediate people over him in this
particular outfit. All of them weren't as intelligent as he was in his
estimation.
Mr. LIEBELER. What about your estimation, did you think that they were
as smart as Oswald was?
Mr. DELGADO. Oswald, I remember, for instance, that Oswald used to get
in heated discussions with a couple of the officers there.
Mr. LIEBELER. The officers?
Mr. DELGADO. Right. And they'd be talking about, let's say, politics,
which came up quite frequently during a break, let's say, and I would
say out of the conversation Oswald had them stumped about four out of
five times. They just ran out of words, they couldn't come back, you
know. And every time this happened, it made him feel twice as good,
you know. He thought himself quite proficient with current events and
politics.
Mr. LIEBELER. He used to enjoy doing this to the others, I could
imagine.
Mr. DELGADO. He used to cut up anybody that was high ranking, he used
to cut up and make himself come out top dog. That's why whenever he got
in a conversation that wasn't going his way he would get mad, he'd just
walk off, you know, and leave.
Mr. LIEBELER. Can you think of anything else about him?
Mr. DELGADO. He didn't drink. He didn't drink too much. Occasional
beer. I never seen him drunk.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any reason to think that he had any
homosexual tendencies?
Mr. DELGADO. No; never once. It was odd that he wouldn't go out with
girls, but never once did he show any indications of being that. In
fact we had two fellows in our outfit that were caught at it, and he
thought it was kind of disgusting that they were in the same outfit
with us, and that is also in the records of the outfit, these two
fellows they caught.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he ever tell you why he wasn't interested in girls or
did you ever discuss that with him?
Mr. DELGADO. No; I figured this fellow here looked to me like he was
studying and applying himself for a goal, he wanted to become somebody,
you know what I mean; later on, after he reached that goal, he will go
and get married, or something like that; but the time I knew him he was
more or less interested in reading and finding out different ideas here
and there. That is, he'd ask what we thought of a current crisis, you
know, and he'd argue that point.
Mr. LIEBELER. He was a pretty serious-minded fellow?
Mr. DELGADO. Yes; he was. Very seldom clowned around, you know.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you think he had much of a sense of humor?
Mr. DELGADO. No; he didn't appreciate it. You couldn't pull a practical
joke on him, very sarcastic sneer all the time, you know. He had only
one bad characteristic, one thing that can really identify him was a
quirk he had. I don't know what it was, when he spoke, the side of his
face would sink in and cause a hollow and he'd kind of speak through
open lips like that, you know, and that's the only thing you could
remember about Oswald when he spoke, you know, something like that, you
know [indicating].
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever think that he was mentally unbalanced?
Mr. DELGADO. He never got real mad where he'd show any ravings of any
sort, you know. He controlled himself pretty good.
Mr. LIEBELER. If you can't remember anything else about Oswald, I have
no more questions. On behalf of the Commission I want to thank you very
much.