Mr. DELGADO. Or had any----

Mr. LIEBELER. I am saying he went to Mexico with the intention of going

to Cuba.

Mr. DELGADO. I didn't read that far.

Mr. LIEBELER. You didn't read that?

Mr. DELGADO. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. So there is no chance that you read this later and are

confusing this as something that Oswald said before?

Mr. DELGADO. No. This was definitely said then, in 1959, and according

to the FBI records this supposed same route or near to the same route

was done in 1960 or 1961.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you and Oswald ever talk about religion?

Mr. DELGADO. He was--he didn't believe in God. He's a devout atheist.

That's the only thing he and I didn't discuss, because he knew I was

religious.

Mr. LIEBELER. He knew that you are religious?

Mr. DELGADO. Right.

Mr. LIEBELER. You are religious?

Mr. DELGADO. Well, to the effect that I believe there is a God or a

Maker.

Mr. LIEBELER. You attend church regularly?

Mr. DELGADO. Yes; and in one instance he told me that God was a myth

or a legend, that basically our whole life is built around this one

falsehood, and things like that. I didn't like that kind of talk.

Mr. LIEBELER. Can you remember anything else that he said about

religion?

Mr. DELGADO. No; outside of condemning anything that had to do with

religion, you know. He laughed. He used to laugh at Sunday school,

you know, mimic the guys that fell out to go to church on Sundays. He

himself never went.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he ever quote from the Bible or anything like that?

Mr. DELGADO. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he ever make fun of the Bible?

Mr. DELGADO. No. It was just being a good book, written by a few men,

you know, that had gotten together and wrote up a novel. That's all.

Outside of being a well-written book, there's no fact to it.

Mr. LIEBELER. But he didn't quote sections from the Bible just to show

how wrong it was?

Mr. DELGADO. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you talk to the FBI men about this question?

Mr. DELGADO. No. I don't think I did. They asked me about religion, and

I told them he was an atheist. That's all.

Mr. LIEBELER. You don't remember telling them that Oswald used to quote

from the Bible and show you how wrong it was and tried to make it look

silly?

Mr. DELGADO. No. That was typical of him.

Mr. LIEBELER. But you have no recollection of him doing that?

Mr. DELGADO. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any recollection of telling the FBI men he

did that?

Mr. DELGADO. No; I don't.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, this question of socialism, discussions of socialism

that you had with Oswald: Did he compare that with the military life?

Mr. DELGADO. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. What did he say about that?

Mr. DELGADO. Well, this is--military life is the closest to the

Socialist way of life, where you had--let's see. How did he phrase

it--everything was common or something like that.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did Oswald seem to think that socialism would be a good

thing?

Mr. DELGADO. That's right, for people. If they worked for the

military, they could work for everybody, instead of everybody being an

individualist and just a few of them having--if they all got together

in one common denominator, if everybody worked with the state owning

everything, and everybody worked for the state.

Mr. LIEBELER. Oswald didn't really like the Marine Corps, did he?

Mr. DELGADO. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. How could he say that socialism was like the military,

and like socialism, and still hate the military?

Mr. DELGADO. He liked the life but hated the military. Some people

love to be bossed around, you know, and told what to do. Yet, the same

people may not like for certain individuals, let's say like Sergeant

Funk, for instance, to tell them what to do.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever have the feeling that Oswald disliked

discipline as a general proposition, or just individual people that

told him what to do?

Mr. DELGADO. I would say discipline by certain individuals, you know.

He used to take orders from a few people there without no trouble at

all. Just a few people that didn't like him or he didn't like them,

or he thought to be--he thought Funk to be too stupid to give him any

kind of order. That was beyond his level. That was fact. This man was a

complete moron, according to Oswald. Why should he, because he's been

longer, have the authority to give him orders, you know? So he had no

respect for him. If he had respect, he would follow, go along with you.

But if he thought you to be inferior to him or mentally--mental idiot,

he wouldn't like anything you told him to do.

Mr. LIEBELER. Can you remember any other discussions about this

comparison of socialism with the Marine Corps or the military?

(Short recess.)

(Question read.)

Mr. DELGADO. Well, according to the point where he would bring out that

the military, there was always one boss, and if he tells everybody to

do something, they all do it with no question, and everything runs

along smoothly. But in our government, no one person could give that

order where the whole populace would obey or act to it. There were a

whole bunch of individualists. Some may, some won't, and some would

argue about it. That's not the same exact word he used, but that's----

Mr. LIEBELER. He indicated that he thought it was a good thing that

somebody should give orders like this and----

Mr. DELGADO. That everybody would obey without question.

Mr. LIEBELER. Were you surprised when you learned that Oswald had gone

to the Soviet Union?

Mr. DELGADO. Yes; I was.

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