Mr. CARRO. Yes; concluding with the last statement of the court
action of March 11, 1954, before Justice Delaney, where there was no
appearance by the people; it was just the attendance officer, myself,
the probation officer, before the court, and that Mrs. Barnes reported
that she had contacted New Orleans and received no information as to
the whereabouts of the family, and there was a question that a former
associate thought that the family may have been living in California.
Justice Delaney discharged the case and Lee was no longer in our
jurisdiction, which goes along with the fact that we had no idea;
we attempted to find out; we wrote to Louisiana and New Orleans but
couldn't get back any positive reports.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would this particular document, which I will mark as
"Exhibit 1" on the deposition of Mr. John Carro, April 16, 1964, at New
York--would that have been attached to the petition or just a part of
the record as a special report?
Mr. CARRO. No; this would be part of the court record, and actually
the petition is just one petition where the judges make their own
small notations when the probation officer appears. And that is the
docket. That is kept up in the courtroom in their files. These are
the records--this is the actual record that is kept by the probation
department, and the only thing that is sent to the other agencies is
just this initial report. You don't send in the day-to-day or the
month-to-month, other subsequent actions. So that this is a separate
report.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would this record in the ordinary course reflect all of
the action taken?
Mr. CARRO. Yes; this is the record.
Mr. LIEBELER. In connection with the case?
Mr. CARRO. This is the record that the probation officer maintains
while the case is under his supervision until the case is closed and
reflects the contacts with the child, periodic or--all the contacts and
any work that the probation officer does he is supposed to report here
and make a small notation.
Mr. LIEBELER. Mr. Carro, I have initialed Exhibit 1 on your deposition
for purposes of identification, and I ask you if you would also initial
it near my initials so that we won't have any difficulty in identifying
it. I am correct in my understanding, am I not, that you prepared this
report?
Mr. CARRO. Yes; this is my report and the entries herein, except for
one or two that may have been made by Mr. Dunn--and I refer to the
entry of 1-5-54, while I was on vacation--those bearing the name John
Carro, bearing my name, are my entries, and this is my report.
Mr. LIEBELER. Let the record show that the exhibit that we have marked
is a somewhat illegible copy.
Mr. LIEBELER. As you have indicated to me, the original was on yellow
paper, which does not reproduce well. I will obtain the original and
make it a part of the record. Can you think of anything else, Mr.
Carro, about Oswald or your contacts with Oswald that you think would
be of help to the Commission?
Mr. CARRO. Well, I think that there has been so much written on it that
you have probably a much more comprehensive report, since you have been
able to get the actual records of these statements that I made at the
time I wrote this. I doubt that I could really say anything at this
point, 12 years later or so, that would be of any help to you.
Whatever I might say would just be an independent opinion on my own and
I don't think that would be that valid. I think you have the original
psychiatric report here, the social agency report, and whatever it
is, and they are amply--I don't think that I could add anything
independently that would be of help to the Commission.
Mr. LIEBELER. In view of that, Mr. Carro, I don't have any more
questions. I want to thank you very much on behalf of the Commission
for coming here and for giving the testimony that you have. It is
another example of the way the city of New York and the people who are
associated with it have cooperated with the work of the Commission. The
Commission appreciates it very much. We thank you sincerely.
Mr. CARRO. I appreciate very much your having me over here. I would
like to offer whatever help I can, and I hope I have been of some help
in making whatever decision you have to make on this matter.
Mr. LIEBELER. You have been very helpful, Mr. Carro.
Mr. CARRO. Thank you.