Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever discuss politics----

Mr. MURRET. No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. With Oswald at all?

Mr. MURRET. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever hear him mention President Kennedy?

Mr. MURRET. No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Or Governor Connally?

Mr. MURRET. No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you form an opinion about Oswald's general character

from your observations and experience with him in 1963?

Mr. MURRET. In the summer of 1963?

Mr. LIEBELER. Yes.

Mr. MURRET. Actually, he probably didn't have any other choice of doing

anything. It was kind of hard, I guess, for him to get along. Like I

say, his appearance in general--I mean, just by looking at him, he just

didn't have the clothes or anything to do anything right. In other

words, everything that he did was wrong if he did go look for a job and

get turned down and so forth. It was kind of hard for him after a bit.

Someone would have helped him, but he didn't actually need any help. He

wanted to do it on his own. You could have helped him, you know, but he

just didn't want any help. He wouldn't ask for anything, I know that,

he wouldn't ask for anything.

Mr. LIEBELER. He struck you as sort of an independent, proud sort of

fellow?

Mr. MURRET. He was proud, there is no doubt about it. He was proud.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you think he was a fairly bright fellow, or did you

form an opinion about his intelligence?

Mr. MURRET. He was bright and he impressed me--you know, bright

in a different sense of the word. Now whether he thought in the

right direction, I really don't know, but he was--but he improved

particularly, you know, from the younger years that I had known him.

He had improved tremendously as far as intelligence is concerned and

his vocabulary, and evidently he tried to impress people, you know,

with it, but he was impressive, he was impressive.

Mr. LIEBELER. He seemed to speak well and was articulate?

Mr. MURRET. Right, he was. He used words that an ordinary individual

wouldn't use in conversation.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you know that he was arrested by the New Orleans

Police Department some time during the summer of 1963 in connection

with some difficulties that he got into when he was distributing Fair

Play for Cuba Committee literature?

Mr. MURRET. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. When did you learn that?

Mr. MURRET. Well, when it was in the paper or when it was on television.

Mr. LIEBELER. At the time?

Mr. MURRET. At the time. Either that or my parents had told me. I don't

recall.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have anything to do with getting him out of jail?

Mr. MURRET. Nothing at all.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you know that he was on a radio debate over at WDSU?

Mr. MURRET. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you hear him?

Mr. MURRET. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. I understand that Oswald actually called the house out

there and told you that he was going to be on the radio, did he not?

Mr. MURRET. Right. He sure did.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any discussions with him or see him after

the radio debate?

Mr. MURRET. If I did see him, I didn't discuss it, you know, with him.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever at any time discuss with him this Fair

Play for Cuba Committee episode or his radio debate or anything in

connection with those events?

Mr. MURRET. No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do I understand that your sister was involved in the

events that led to Oswald's release from jail? Is that correct?

Mr. MURRET. To my understanding, she was.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did she tell you that?

Mr. MURRET. Did she tell me that? That is my oldest sister.

Mr. LIEBELER. What is her name?

Mr. MURRET. Joyce O'Brien.

Mr. LIEBELER. Where does she live?

Mr. MURRET. She lives in Beaumont, Tex.

Mr. LIEBELER. The question was: Did she tell you that she had been

involved in getting Oswald out of jail?

Mr. MURRET. I heard something to the effect that while he was in jail

he phoned the home. It just so happened my sister was there at the

time, because she very seldom comes in, and naturally you want to, you

know, see if we could get him out, and she is saying how did he get in

there in the first place, and she didn't want to get him out after she

heard what he did.

Mr. LIEBELER. She didn't want to get him out after she heard what he

did?

Mr. MURRET. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you know Oswald as a younger boy?

Mr. MURRET. No; not closely. I can recollect, you know, when he was a

small boy, but no particular dealings with him. He was too small to

hold any conversation with him.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any recollection of what kind of a fellow he

was when he was a kid?

Mr. MURRET. He was a nice kid. Just by his pictures and so forth, he

was real nice. To me he was harmful [sic].

Mr. LIEBELER. What?

Mr. MURRET. Harmful.

Mr. LIEBELER. Harmful?

Mr. MURRET. Harmless.

Mr. LIEBELER. How old are you, Mr. Murret?

Mr. MURRET. I am 29.

Mr. LIEBELER. Twenty-nine?

Mr. MURRET. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. You are the youngest member of the Murret family? Is that

right?

Mr. MURRET. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever know Lee Oswald's older brother, Robert?

Mr. MURRET. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Were you closer to Robert than you were to Lee, would you

say, or how much contact did you have with Robert?

Mr. MURRET. Well, I would say about the same. Actually they weren't

here in the city of New Orleans, you know, long enough to get close to

them.

Mr. LIEBELER. There was nothing that you knew about Lee Oswald's youth

that was particularly noteworthy or outstanding or would draw your

attention to him or would distinguish him from other boys of his age,

that you can remember, was there?

Mr. MURRET. No, sir; I couldn't say. I didn't have that much contact.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now looking back over the summer of 1963, thinking about

your contact with Lee Oswald, is there anything that you can think of

that you did with him or any conversations that you had or anything

of interest that occurred during that time that we haven't talked

about? If you can think of anything else in that nature that we haven't

mentioned, that you think would be helpful to the Commission, we would

like to have you tell us.

Mr. MURRET. Well, the only thing I can think of; like I say, it just so

happens that I was home all the time, but the telephone rang, you know,

for him getting a job or some employment agencies calling up asking,

you know, for him to contact the employment agencies because they had

located him a job and so forth, and the only thing I can recollect

is an employment agency calling me up one night, and couldn't get in

contact with him, and I had to call the particular coffee plant the

next day, you know, saying that the agency wants to see you, you know,

right away, he has a job located for you--in photography I think it

was. So I had called him, and that was about the end of that.

Mr. LIEBELER. You did call Lee?

Mr. MURRET. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you reach him at the coffee plant?

Mr. MURRET. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he say anything when you told him that this

employment agency was looking for him?

Mr. MURRET. No; I was just hoping that this was the job that he was

looking for. Other than that, that is all.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember the name of the employment agency?

Mr. MURRET. No, sir; I don't. They had maybe one or two that called up,

different ones, but it was amazing--not amazing, but evidently when he

was applying for these particular jobs he must have impressed them such

that they would let him know one way or the other, you know, whether

they had a job for him or not, rather than just pass it by.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did Lee own a suit of clothes?

Mr. MURRET. I think he did; yes, sir. It was during the summer, and it

was a woolen suit more so than a summer suit.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know whether he wore that suit when he went

looking for a job?

Mr. MURRET. He might have wore it once; yes, sir. That was the only

suit he had that I know of.

Mr. LIEBELER. How much luggage did Lee have with him when he stayed out

at the place on French Street?

Mr. MURRET. I couldn't say. Just the bag that I saw, you know, just the

handbag which is similar to--you know, like a basketball equipment bag.

Mr. LIEBELER. Something like an airline bag?

Mr. MURRET. Yes; something like that.

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