Miss MURRET. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. How about Riseman?
Miss MURRET. No; I don't know the language professor's name.
Mr. LIEBELER. You think your mother would remember?
Miss MURRET. I don't think so, because I think it was the other Secret
Service man who tried to get her to remember and she couldn't.
Mr. LIEBELER. And this professor, he was a professor of what?
Miss MURRET. Languages.
Mr. LIEBELER. What language? Russian?
Miss MURRET. I don't know if it was only Russian, or what, or some
other language. He just teaches, you know----
Mr. LIEBELER. And you don't have any idea where he lived?
Miss MURRET. Who? The professor? No. So then it was just that he had a
daughter in Russia, and I was just wondering why she got to know him.
Mr. LIEBELER. Oswald?
Miss MURRET. I often wonder how it was that she spoke Russian.
Mr. LIEBELER. Who? Mrs. Paine?
Miss MURRET. Yes; and then it came out in the paper, or it was in Time
magazine, or something, that she was a Quaker, so I discarded all those
ideas also, claiming where she was, I guess, just purely interested in
the language, and you would see people who spoke that language.
Mr. LIEBELER. Were you suspicious of Mrs. Paine? Were you suspicious of
Mrs. Paine in any way?
Miss MURRET. At first, because she sought all of the Russian speaking
people, and she spoke Russian herself.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you indicate that the Secret Service had discussed
this with you about the professor?
Miss MURRET. No; my mother told me.
Mr. LIEBELER. Your mother told this to the Secret Service man?
Miss MURRET. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Were you there when she talked to the Secret Service man?
Miss MURRET. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember anything else about this professor that
we could use to find out who he was, or who he is?
Miss MURRET. No; I don't. But it probably would be easy enough to find,
if he has a daughter who is a student over there, and I don't think
that that would be too difficult to find.
Mr. LIEBELER. After he and Marina had moved into the apartment on
Magazine Street, did you ever go to the apartment?
Miss MURRET. I just drove him over there once or--I think we drove him
home once or twice.
Mr. LIEBELER. Were you ever inside of the apartment?
Miss MURRET. Once I went in the back part.
Mr. LIEBELER. What kind of place was it?
Miss MURRET. Well, they had a back part of the house, and I never
did know whether it was a double, or what, or just the back part was
arranged to make an apartment. But he had called one Sunday afternoon
and said that Marina wanted to come over there. So I think we picked
them up in the afternoon and brought them, but usually if they came,
they took the bus, and we always took them home.
Mr. LIEBELER. How many times did you see the Oswalds after that?
Miss MURRET. On Magazine?
Mr. LIEBELER. That you recall? Yes?
Miss MURRET. I think they came over one day, one Saturday, and then a
half a day on Sunday, or this might have been the same day--I don't
know--and Labor Day, because I was not here from the beginning of July
until September.
Mr. LIEBELER. Am I correct in understanding then that the last time
you saw Oswald was on Labor Day, 1963, which would have been early in
September?
Miss MURRET. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Is that the time that you went crabbing with him?
Miss MURRET. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. What was the occasion that you met him on Labor Day? What
did you do?
Miss MURRET. They called up, or Lee called up and said that Marina
wanted to come over, that she was tired of sitting at home. But my
mother had said, because the last time that they were there and they
were there all day, with the language barrier, my mother was exhausted,
so she told him to come in the afternoon. And this they did, about 3 or
4 they came over in the bus.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did they come over on the bus?
Miss MURRET. Yes; and then we took them back.
Mr. LIEBELER. When did you go crabbing with him? You did, did you not?
Miss MURRET. I think it was on a Saturday.
Mr. LIEBELER. So this would have been before July, is that correct?
Miss MURRET. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Because you have indicated that you were not in New
Orleans during July or August of 1963?
Miss MURRET. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Who also went on this crabbing expedition?
Miss MURRET. Just Marina and I and he. I think the baby stayed at my
house.
Mr. LIEBELER. Tell us what you can recall about that?
Miss MURRET. We went to the lake, and Lee was doing all the crabbing,
of course, and we didn't have any crabs, so I just sat there with
Marina. And then we walked over to the coke machine and got a coke, and
I got some cigarettes, and I remember she said that she didn't smoke,
and that Lee didn't want her to smoke. So we came on back and Marina
told him something in Russian, and he started to laugh. And he said,
"Do you know what she said?" I said "No." He said, or he was saying
that women are all alike, because she was telling him that here you
spend or you only could afford, I think he had two nets, and that was
all that he had money for, and the meat, so she was telling him, "You
spend the money for the nets and the meat, and you are spending all of
your time catching nothing, when we could have gone down to the French
Market and got them for the same price." He said, "They are all alike,
you know, Russians, American, typical woman." I just sat there with her.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he ever catch any crabs that day?
Miss MURRET. No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember anything else that was said or that
happened on that day that was worthy of any note?