Miss MURRET. Well, the fact that he got out.
Mr. LIEBELER. But when you say "at first," you don't mean at first,
after the assassination? You mean at first, after you saw him?
Miss MURRET. After he came out.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you didn't really think about that too much until he
came here in 1963, or had you considered it prior to that time?
Miss MURRET. We didn't know he was out.
Mr. LIEBELER. Until he came here?
Miss MURRET. Right.
Mr. LIEBELER. You didn't know he was back from Russia at all?
Miss MURRET. He just telephoned mother and my mother said, "I didn't
even know you were back." And he said, "I have been back for--I don't
know--probably a year."
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any discussions with your mother or anybody
else in your family about the possibility that Oswald might be a
Russian agent?
Miss MURRET. As I said, I dispelled that immediately because I thought,
well, if he was, they would certainly be trailing him. So, I mean you
can't go around with suspicion like that, or, I mean certainly the
American Embassy should know what is going on. So, if that were the
case, well, they would be on his trail. And, if not, well, he was
definitely sincere. I mean, you don't try to antagonize or constantly
throw up past mistakes, in case he, you know----
Mr. LIEBELER. So you considered the question briefly and dismissed it
for the reasons you state?
Miss MURRET. Yes; but just the first reaction would be, how did he get
out?
Mr. LIEBELER. And, as you have stated, the reason for your thinking of
the question in the first place was because of the apparent ease with
which he was able to leave the Soviet Union with a Russian wife?
Miss MURRET. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did it cause you any concern to associate with him or
have anything to do with him at all after you considered the question
that he might have been a Russian agent? I mean, you said that you
dismissed it because you assumed if he was, he was being trailed, or
the authorities would be in touch with him, but did it concern you that
they might associate you with Oswald, or identify you in any way?
Miss MURRET. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. It did not?
Miss MURRET. No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. After the first week that Lee was at your home, he rented
an apartment and moved out? Is that correct?
Miss MURRET. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Were you there when he left your house?
Miss MURRET. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you he found an apartment?
Miss MURRET. He told me about it.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he or did he not tell you personally?
Miss MURRET. I don't remember whether I was there or not. Yes; I
think I might have been. Yes; I was, because I think he came home and
said that it was a lovely place, but he didn't know whether Marina
would like it, because it had high ceilings, and she didn't like high
ceilings. But he liked it.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did Marina come out to your house at this time?
Miss MURRET. Well, when they came in, the lady from Texas brought
her----
Mr. LIEBELER. In a station wagon?
Miss MURRET. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know her name?
Miss MURRET. I know now; yes. It was Paine.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you know her at that time?
Miss MURRET. No; he introduced me, I think, or she introduced
herself--I don't remember--because I was getting ready to go out and
that was when I was in and out, getting dressed. But he also had
referred to her just as Marina's friend in Texas, and I told her it was
very nice to meet her.
Mr. LIEBELER. They actually came there to your house before Lee moved
out, or after he moved out?
Miss MURRET. He had moved out, I think, he himself, and then he came
to my house, and then from there they were going to go, so they
wouldn't get lost--so they could find the directions, or something. I
don't know.
Mr. LIEBELER. So Marina and Mrs. Paine came to your house and they went
from there, went to the apartment on Magazine then?
Miss MURRET. They stayed there a very short while and Marina was
petrified----
Mr. LIEBELER. What was she petrified about?
Miss MURRET. Well, on meeting us for the first time, and the language
barrier, and the baby was cross and crying because of all the people
there, I guess, and probably tired. I think Marina was nervous or
probably thinking that we would think that it was a bad or a spoiled
child. So they left very shortly after, and I don't think Marina ever
came in the back. Mrs. Paine came in the back to get a root beer, and
I can't remember if that is when she introduced herself, or I was in
the front when they introduced them, or not. I met Marina when she came
into the living room. I don't remember whether he introduced me to Mrs.
Paine formally, or whether she introduced herself.
Mr. LIEBELER. Was Lee there at that time?