Hesiod answered readily and extempore in this wise:—

When steeds with sounding hoof, to win

The prize, shall run amain;

And at the tomb of mighty Jove

Their chariots break in twain.

For this reply he was infinitely commended and won the tripod. Pray

tell me, quoth Cleodemus, what difference there is between these

riddles and those of Eumetis, which she frames and invents to recreate

herself with as much pleasure as other virgins make nets and girdles?

They may be fit to offer and puzzle women withal; but for men to beat

their brains to find out their mystery would be mighty ridiculous.

Eumetis looked like one that had a great mind to reply; but her modesty

would not permit her, for her face was filled with blushes. But Esop in

her vindication asked: Is it not much more ridiculous that all present

cannot resolve the riddle she propounded to us before supper? This was

as follows:—

A man I saw, who by his fire

Did set a piece of brass

Fast to a man, so that it seemed

To him it welded was.

Can you tell me, said he, how to construe this, and what the sense of

it may be? No, said Cleodemus, nor do I care to know what it means. And

yet, quoth Esop, no man understands this thing better and practises

it more judiciously and successfully than yourself. If you deny it, I

have my witnesses ready; for there are your cupping-glasses. Cleodemus

laughed outright; for of all the physicians in his time, none used

cupping-glasses like him, he being a person that by his frequent and

fortunate application thereof brought them first into request in the

world.

11. Mnesiphilus the Athenian, a friend and favorite of Solon’s, said:

O Periander, our discourse, as our wine, ought to be distributed not

according to our power or priority, but freely and equally, as in

a popular state; for what hath been already discoursed concerning

kingdoms and empires signifies little to us who live in a democracy.

Wherefore I judge it convenient that every one of you beginning with

Solon, should freely and impartially declare his sense of a popular

state. The motion pleased all the company; then saith Solon: My friend

Mnesiphilus, you heard, together with the rest of this good company,

my opinion concerning republics; but since you are willing to hear

it again, I hold that city or state happy and most likely to remain

democratic, in which those that are not personally injured are yet as

forward to question and correct wrong-doers as that person who is more

immediately wronged. Bias added, Where all fear the law as they fear a

tyrant. Thirdly, Thales said, Where the citizens are neither too rich

nor too poor. Fourthly, Anacharsis said, Where, though in all other

respects they are equal, yet virtuous men are advanced and vicious

persons degraded. Fifthly, Cleobulus said, Where the rulers fear

reproof and shame more than the law. Sixthly, Pittacus said, Where bad

men are prohibited from ruling, and good men from not ruling. Chilo,

pausing a little while, determined that the best and most durable

state was where the subject minded the law most and the orators least.

Periander concluded with his opinion, that all of them would best

approve that democracy which came next and was likest to an aristocracy.

12. When they had ended this discourse, I begged they would condescend

to direct me how to govern a house; for they were few who had cities

and kingdoms to govern, compared with those who had houses and families

to manage. Esop laughed and said: I hope you except Anacharsis out

of your number; for having no house, he glories because he can be

contented with a chariot only, as they say the sun is whirled about

from one end of the heavens to the other in his chariot. Therefore,

saith Anacharsis, he alone, or he principally, is most free among the

Gods, and ever at his own liberty and dispose. He governs all, and is

governed and subject to none, but he rides and reigns; and you know not

how magnificent and capacious his chariot is; if you did, you would

not thus floutingly compare it with our Scythian chariots. For you

seem in my apprehension to call these coverings made of wood and mud

houses, as if you should call the shell and not the living creature a

snail. Therefore you laughed when Solon told you how, when he viewed

Croesus’s palace and found it richly and gloriously furnished, he yet

could not yield he lived happily until he had tried the inward and

invisible state of his mind; for a man’s felicity consists not in the

outward and visible favors and blessings of Fortune, but in the inward

and unseen perfections and riches of the mind. And you seem to have

forgot your own fable of the fox, who, contending with the leopard as

to which was beset with more colors and spots, and having referred the

matter in controversy to the arbitration of an umpire, desired him to

consider not so much the outside as the inside; for, saith he, I have

more various and different fetches and tricks in my mind than he has

marks or spots in his body. You regard only the handiwork of carpenters

and masons and stone-cutters, and call this a house; not what one hath

within, his children, his wife, his friends and attendants, with whom

if a man lived in an emmet’s bed or a bird’s nest, enjoying in common

the ordinary comforts of life, this man may be affirmed to live a happy

and a fortunate life.

This is the answer I purpose to return Esop, quoth Anacharsis, and

I tender it to Diocles as my share in this discourse; only let the

rest give in their opinions, if they please. Solon thought that house

most happy where the estate was got without injustice, kept without

distrust, and spent without repentance. Bias said, That house is happy

where the master does freely and voluntarily at home what the law

compels him to do abroad. Thales held that house most happy where the

master had most leisure and respite from business. Cleobulus said, That

in which the master is more beloved than feared. Pittacus said, That

is most happy where superfluities are not required and necessaries are

not wanting. Chilo added, That house is most happy where the master

rules as a monarch in his kingdom. And he proceeded, When a certain

Lacedaemonian desired Lycurgus to establish a democracy in the city, Go

you, friend, replied he, and try the experiment first in your own house.

13. When they had all given in their opinions upon this point, Eumetis

and Melissa withdrew. Then Periander called for a large bowl full of

wine, and drank to Chilo; and Chilo likewise drank to Bias. Ardalus

then standing up called to Esop, and said: Will you not hand the cup

to your friends at this end of the table, when you behold those

persons there swilling up all that good liquor, and imparting none to

us here, as if the cup were that of Bathycles. But this cup, quoth

Esop, is no public cup, it hath stood so long by Solon’s trenchard.

Then Pittacus called to Mnesiphilus: Why, saith he, does not Solon

drink, but act in contradiction to his own verses?—

I love that ruby God, whose blessings flow

In tides, to recreate my thirsty maw;

Venus I court, the Muses I adore,

Who give us wine and pleasures evermore.

Anacharsis subjoined: He fears your severe law, my friend Pittacus,

wherein you decreed the drunkard a double punishment. You seem, said

Pittacus, a little to fear the penalty, who have adventured heretofore,

and now again before my face, to break that law and to demand a crown

for the reward of your debauch. Why not, quoth Anacharsis, when there

is a reward promised to the hardest drinker? Why should I not demand

my reward, having drunk down all my fellows?—or inform me of any other

end men drive at in drinking much wine, but to be drunk. Pittacus

laughed at this reply, and Esop told them this fable: The wolf, seeing

a parcel of shepherds in their booth feeding upon a lamb, approaching

near them,—What a bustle and noise and uproar would you have made,

saith he, if I had but done what you do! Chilo said: Esop hath very

justly revenged himself upon us, who awhile ago stopped his mouth; now

he observes how we prevented Mnesiphilus’s discourse, when the question

was put why Solon did not drink up his wine.

Mnesiphilus then spake to this effect: I know this to be the opinion

of Solon, that in every art and faculty, divine and human, the work

which is done is more desired than the instrument wherewith it is done,

and the end than the means conducing to that end; as, for instance,

a weaver thinks a cloak or coat more properly his work than the

ordering of his shuttles or the divers motions of his beams. A smith

minds the soldering of his irons and the sharpening of the axe more

than those little things preparatory to these main matters, as the

kindling of the coals and getting ready the stone-dust. Yet farther,

a carpenter would justly blame us, if we should affirm it is not his

work to build houses or ships but to bore holes or to make mortar; and

the Muses would be implacably incensed with him that should say their

business is only to make harps, pipes, and such musical instruments,

not the institution and correction of manners and the government of

those men’s passions who are lovers of singing and masters of music.

And agreeably copulation is not the work of Venus, nor is drunkenness

that of Bacchus; but love and friendship, affection and familiarity,

which are begot and improved by the means of these. Solon terms these

works divine, and he professes he loves and now prosecutes them in

his declining years as vigorously as ever in his youthful days. That

mutual love between man and wife is the work of Venus, the greatness

of the pleasure affecting their bodies mixes and melts their very

souls; divers others, having little or no acquaintance before, have yet

contracted a firm and lasting friendship over a glass of wine, which

like fire softened and melted their tempers, and disposed them for a

happy union. But in such a company, and of such men as Periander hath

invited, there is no need of can and chalice, but the Muses themselves

throwing a subject of discourse among you, as it were a sober cup,

wherein is contained much of delight and drollery and seriousness

too, do hereby provoke, nourish, and increase friendship among you,

suffering the can to rest quietly upon the bowl, contrary to the rule

which Hesiod[2] gives for those who have more skill for carousing than

for discoursing,

Though all the rest with stated rules we bound,

Unmix’d, unmeasured, are thy goblets crown’d:[3]

for it was the old Greek way, as Homer here tells us, to drink one to

another in course and order. So Ajax gave a share of his meat to his

next neighbor.

When Mnesiphilus had discoursed after this manner, in comes Chersias

the poet, whom Periander had lately pardoned and received into favor

upon Chilo’s mediation. Saith Chersias: Does not Jupiter distribute

to the Gods their proportion and dividend sparingly and severally, as

Agamemnon did to his commanders when his guests drank to one another?

If, O Chersias, quoth Cleodemus, as you narrate, certain doves bring

him his ambrosia every meal, flying with a world of hardship through

the rocks called _Planctae_ (or _wandering_), can you blame

him for his sparingness and frugality and dealing out to his guests by

measure?

14. I am satisfied, quoth Chersias, and since we are fallen upon our

old discourse of housekeeping, which of the company can remember what

remains to be said thereof? There remains, if I mistake not, to show

what that measure is which may content any man. Cleobulus answered: The

law has prescribed a measure for wise men; but as touching fools, I

will tell you a story I once heard my mother relate to my brother. On a

certain time the moon begged of her mother a coat that would fit her.

How can that be done, quoth the mother, for sometimes you are full,

sometimes the one-half of you seems lost and perished, sometimes only

a pair of horns appear. So, my Chersias, to the desires of a foolish

immoderate man no certain measure can be fitted; for, according to

the ebbings and flowings of his lust and appetite, and the frequent

or seldom casualties that befall him, accordingly his necessities

ebb or flow, not unlike Esop’s dog, who, being pinched and ready to

starve with cold in winter, was of mind to build himself a house; but

when summer came on, he lay all along upon the ground, and stretching

himself in the sun thought himself monstrous big, and thought it a

needless thing and besides no small piece of work to build him a house

proportionable to that bulk and bigness. And do you not observe, O

Chersias, continues he, many poor men,—how one while they pinch their

bellies, upon what short commons they live, how sparing and niggardly

and miserable they are; and another while you may observe the same

men as distrustful and covetous withal, as if the plenty of city and

country, the riches of king and kingdom were not sufficient to preserve

them from want and beggary.

When Chersias had concluded this discourse, Cleodemus began thus: We

see you that are wise men possessing these outward goods after an

unequal manner. Good sweet sir, answered Cleobulus, the law weaver-like

hath distributed to every man a fitting, decent, adequate portion,

and in your profession your reason does what the law does here,—when

you feed, or diet, or physic your patient, you give not an equal

quantity to all, but what you judge to be convenient for each in his

circumstances. Ardalus enquires: I pray what law compels our friend and

Solon’s host, Epimenides, to abstain from all other victuals, and to

content himself with a little composition of his own, which the Greeks

call ἄλιμος (_hunger-relieving_)? This he takes into his mouth and

chews, and eats neither dinner nor supper. This instance obliged the

whole company to be a little while silent, until Thales in a jesting

way replied, that Epimenides did very wisely, for hereby he saved the

trouble and charge of grinding and boiling his food, as Pittacus did.

I myself sojourning at Lesbos overheard my landlady, as she was very

busy at her hand-mill, singing as she used to do at her work, “Grind

mill; grind mill; for even Pittacus, the prince of great Mitylene,

grinds.”[4] Quoth Solon: Ardalus, I wonder you have not read the law

of Epimenides’s frugality in Hesiod’s writings, who prescribes him and

others this spare diet; for he was the person that gratified Epimenides

with the seeds of this nutriment, when he directed him to enquire how

great benefit a man might receive by mallows and asphodel.[5] Do you

believe, said Periander, that Hesiod meant this literally; or rather

that, being himself a great admirer of parsimony, he hereby intended

to exhort men to use a mean and spare diet, as most healthful and

pleasant? For the chewing of mallows is very wholesome, and the stalk

of asphodel is very luscious; but this “expeller of hunger and thirst”

I take to be rather physic than natural food, consisting of honey and

I know not what barbarian cheese, and of many and costly seeds fetched

from foreign parts. If to make up this composition so many ingredients

were requisite, and so difficult to come by and so expensive, Hesiod

might as well have kept his breath to cool his pottage, and never

blessed the world with the discovery. And yet I admire how your host,

when he went to perform the great purification for the Delians not long

since, could overlook the monuments and patterns of the first aliment

which the people brought into the temple,—and, among other cheap

fruits such as grow of themselves, the mallows and the asphodel; the

usefulness and innocency whereof Hesiod seemed in his work to magnify.

Not only that, quoth Anacharsis, but he affirms both plants to be great

restoratives. You are in the right, quoth Cleodemus; for it is evident

Hesiod was no ordinary physician, who could discourse so learnedly

and judiciously of diet, of the nature of wines, and of the virtue of

waters and baths, and of women, the proper times for procreation, and

the site and position of infants in the womb; insomuch, that (as I take

it) Esop deserves much more the name of Hesiod’s scholar and disciple

than Epimenides, whose great and excellent wisdom the fable of the

nightingale and hawk demonstrates. But I would gladly hear Solon’s

opinion in this matter; for having sojourned long at Athens and being

familiarly acquainted with Epimenides, it is more than probable he

might learn of him the grounds upon which he accustomed himself to so

spare a diet.

15. To what purpose, said Solon, should I trouble him or myself to

make enquiry in a matter so plain? For if it be a blessing next to the

greatest to need little victuals, then it is the greatest felicity to

need none at all. If I may have leave to deliver my opinion, quoth

Cleodemus, I must profess myself of a different judgment, especially

now we sit at table; for as soon as the meat is taken away, we have

removed what belongs to those Gods that are the patrons of friendship

and hospitality. As upon the removal of the earth, quoth Thales,

there must needs follow an universal confusion of all things, so

in forbidding men meat, there must needs follow the dispersion and

dissolution of the family, the sacred fire, the cups, the feasts and

entertainments, which are the principal and most innocent diversions

of mankind; and so all the comforts of society are at end. For to men

of business some recreation is necessary, and the preparation and use

of victuals conduces much thereunto. Again, to be without victuals

would tend to the destruction of husbandry, for want whereof the

earth would soon be overgrown with weeds, and through the sloth of

men overflowed with waters. And together with this, all arts would

fail which are supported and encouraged hereby; nay, more, take away

hospitality and the use of victuals, and the worship and honor of the

Gods will sink and perish; the sun will have but small and the moon

yet smaller reverence, if they afford men only light and heat. And who

will build an altar or offer sacrifice to Jupiter Pluvius, or to Ceres

the patroness of husbandmen, or to Neptune the preserver of plants and

trees? Or how can Bacchus be any longer termed the donor of all good

things, if men make no further use of the good things he gives? What

shall men sacrifice? What first-fruits shall they offer? In short, the

subversion and confusion of the greatest blessings attend this opinion.

Promiscuously and indefatigably to pursue all sorts of pleasures

I own to be brutish, and to avoid all with a suitable aversion

equally blockish; let the mind then freely enjoy such pleasures as

are agreeable to its nature and temper. But for the body, there is

certainly no pleasure more harmless and commendable and fitting than

that which springs from a plentiful table,—which is granted by all men;

for, placing this in the middle, men converse with one another and

share in the provision. As to the pleasures of the bed, men use these

in the dark, reputing the use thereof no less shameful and beastly than

the total disuse of the pleasures of the table.

Cleodemus having finished this long harangue, I began to this effect.

You omit one thing, my friend, how they that decry food decry sleep

too, and they that declaim against sleep declaim against dreams in

the same breath, and so destroy the primitive and ancient way of

divination. Add to this, that our whole life will be of one form and

fashion, and our soul enclosed in a body to no purpose; many and those

the principal parts thereof are naturally so formed and fashioned as

to be organs of nutriment; so the tongue, the teeth, the stomach, and

the liver, whereof none are idle, none framed for other use, so that

whosoever hath no need of nutriment has no need of his body; that is,

in other words, no man hath any need of himself, for every man hath a

body of his own. This I have thought fit to offer in vindication of our

bellies; if Solon or any other has any thing to object to what I have

said, I am willing to hear him.

16. Yea, doubtless, replies Solon, or we may be reputed more

injudicious than the Egyptians. For when any person dies among them,

they open him and show him so dissected to the sun; his guts they throw

into the river, to the remaining parts they allow a decent burial, for

they think the body now pure and clean; and to speak truly, they are

the foulest parts of the body, and like that lower hell crammed with

dead carcasses and at the same time flowing with offensive rivers, such

as flame with fire and are disturbed with tempests. No live creature

feeds upon another living creature, but we first take away their lives,

and in that action we do them great wrong; forasmuch as whatsoever

is transmuted and turned into another loseth the nature which it had

before, and is corrupted that it may become nourishment to the others.

Now the very plants have life in them,—that is clear and manifest, for

we perceive they grow and spread. But to abstain from eating flesh (as

they say Orpheus of old did) is more a pretence than a real avoiding

of an injury proceeding from the just use of meat. One way there is,

and but one way, whereby a man may avoid offence, namely by being

contented with his own, not coveting what belongs to his neighbor. But

if a man’s circumstances be such and so hard that he cannot subsist

without wronging another man, the fault is God’s, not his. The case

being such with some persons, I would fain learn if it be not advisable

to destroy, at the same time with injustice, these instruments of

injustice, the belly, stomach, and liver, which have no sense of

justice or appetite to honesty, and therefore may be fitly compared to

your cook’s implements, his knives and his caldrons, or to a baker’s

chimney and bins and kneading-tubs. Verily one may observe the souls of

some men confined to their bodies, as to a house of correction, barely

to do the drudgery and to serve the necessities thereof. It was our own

case but even now. While we minded our meat and our bellies, we had

neither eyes to see nor ears to hear; but now the table is taken away,

we are free to discourse among ourselves and to enjoy one another;

and now our bellies are full, we have nothing else to do or care for.

And if this condition and state wherein we at present are would last

our whole life, we having no wants to fear nor riches to covet (for a

desire of superfluities attends a desire of necessaries), would not our

lives be much more comfortable and life itself much more desirable?

Yea, but Cleodemus stiffly maintains the necessity of eating and

drinking, else we shall want tables and cups, and shall not be able

to sacrifice to Ceres and Proserpina. By a parity of reason there

is a necessity there should be contentions and wars, that men may

have bulwarks and citadels and fortifications by land, fleets and

navies abroad at sea, and that having slain hundreds, we may offer

sacrifices (called Hecatomphonia) after the Messenian manner. By this

reason we shall find men grudging their own health, for (they will

say) there will be no need of down or feather beds unless they are

sick; and so those healing Gods, and particularly Esculapius, will be

vast sufferers, for they will infallibly lose so many fat and rich

sacrifices yearly. Nay, the art of chirurgery will perish, and all

those ingenious instruments that have been invented for the cure of

man will lie by useless and insignificant. And what great difference

is there between this and that? For meat is a medicine against hunger,

and such as keep a regular diet are said to cure themselves,—I mean

such as use meat not for wantonness but of necessity. For it is plain,

the prejudices we receive by feeding far surmount the pleasures. And

the pleasure of eating fills a very little place in our bodies and very

little time. But why should I trouble you or myself with a catalogue of

the many vexations which attend that man who is necessitated to provide

for a family, and the many difficulties which distract him in his

undertaking? For my part, I verily believe Homer had an eye to this

very thing, when, to prove the immortality of the Gods, he made use of

this very argument, that they were such because they used no victuals;

For not the bread of man their life sustains,

Nor wine’s inflaming juice supplies their veins;[6]

intimating meat to be the cause of death as well as the means of

sustaining and supporting life. From hence proceed divers fatal

distempers caused much more by fulness than by fasting; and to digest

what we have eaten proves frequently a harder matter than to provide

and procure what we eat. And when we solicitously enquire beforehand

what we should do or how we should employ ourselves if we had not such

care and business to take up our time, this is as if Danaus’s daughters

should trouble their heads to know what they should do if they had no

sieves to fill with water. We drudge and toil for necessaries, for want

of better and nobler business. As slaves then who have gained their

freedom do now and then those drudgeries and discharge those servile

employments and offices for their own benefit which they undertook

heretofore for their masters’ advantage, so the mind of man, which at

present is enslaved to the body and the service thereof, when once it

becomes free from this slavery, will take care of itself, and spend its

time in contemplation of truth without distraction or disturbance. Such

were our discourses upon this head, O Nicarchus.

17. And before Solon had fully finished, in came Gorvias, Periander’s

brother, who was just returned from Taenarum, whither he had been sent

by the advice of the oracle to sacrifice to Neptune and to conduct

a deputation. Upon his entrance we welcomed him home; and Periander

having among the rest saluted him, Gorgias sat by him upon a bed, and

privately whispered something to his brother which we could not hear.

Periander by his various gestures and motions discovered different

affections; sometimes he seemed sad and melancholic, by and by

disturbed and angry; frequently he looked as doubtful and distrustful

men use to do; awhile after he lifts up his eyes as is usual with men

in a maze. At last recovering himself, saith he, I have a mind to

impart to you the contents of this embassy; but I scarce dare do it,

remembering Thales’s aphorism, how things impossible or incredible

are to be concealed and only things credible and probable are to be

related. Bias answered, I crave leave to explain Thales’s saying, We

may distrust enemies, even though they speak things credible, and trust

friends, even though they relate things incredible; and I suppose by

enemies he meant vicious men and foolish, and by friends, wise and good

men. Then, brother Gorgias, quoth Periander, I pray relate the whole

story particularly.

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