I shall pass to Point Number 41 on Page 20:

“To sum up, the President affirmed that all essential points had

been cleared up at this meeting.”

The American branch of the Prosecution has some additional documents

which Mr. Dodd will submit, if it is agreeable to the Tribunal.

THE PRESIDENT: We will adjourn now.

[_A recess was taken._]

THE PRESIDENT: Mr. Dodd, you have got some other papers to put in?

MR. DODD: I would like to offer, Mr. President, Document 4006-PS, which

is the bulletin of the Reich Minister for Armament and Ammunition; and

it is a matter that the Tribunal, in our judgment, may take judicial

notice of. It is an official publication, but it will be quite helpful

in connection with the labor program as between Sauckel and Speer; and

it is offered for that purpose, to clear up some of the doubts that may

have arisen after the Speer and Sauckel testimony. I think there is no

necessity to read it at all but simply to offer it. And it would become

Exhibit USA-902.

And then I would like to offer Document 1452-PS. This is a report of a

conference of the chiefs with the chief of the department of the

Economic Armament Office, and I would just like to read a short excerpt

from it. It is Document 1452-PS, dated the 24th of March 1942. It says:

“Conferences of the chiefs with the chief of the department.

Report of the chief of the department on the conference on the

23d of March with Milch, Witzell, Leeb, in Minister Speer’s

office. The Führer looks upon Speer as his principal mouthpiece,

his trusted adviser in all economic spheres. Speer is the only

one who has something to say today. He can interfere in any

department. He already disregards all other departments.”

The remainder of the document we do not wish to quote, I do not think it

is necessary because the text is not changed any by what we have quoted

from it. That becomes Exhibit USA-903.

Now, we also have here some photographs, Mr. President; and these are

offered with respect to the Defendant Kaltenbrunner. They were turned

over to us by our colleagues of the French Prosecution. And the first

one is Document F-894, which becomes Exhibit USA-904. That is a picture

showing Himmler congratulating someone, Kaltenbrunner immediately to his

rear.

THE PRESIDENT: How are they identified?

MR. DODD: I will submit it—well, these are all captured documents, of

course, but—you mean in the picture, Mr. President?

THE PRESIDENT: No, I mean by capture or any other way. Where do they

come from?

MR. DODD: Well, I assume them to be all captured documents. Oh, I see

now—there are affidavits attached to each one which explain their

source. Here, this first one is a man by the name of François Boix, who

says that he is a photographer and was interned at Mauthausen and so on;

and he attests that this photograph was taken, and so forth. I think

that is sufficient—I assume it is—to identify the picture. I believe

that each one of them has a similar statement.

Now the next one is Document F-896, which becomes Exhibit USA-905. And

this as well on the back of the original bears an affidavit by François

Boix.

The next one is Document F-897, which becomes Exhibit USA-906. And this

as well, bears the affidavit of François Boix and shows Kaltenbrunner

and Himmler and other SS officials.

And then, lastly, Document F-895, which becomes Exhibit USA-907; and

this picture we particularly call to the Tribunal’s attention. It, as

well, bears the certificate of François Boix. Kaltenbrunner is there in

the second row, Himmler and Hitler in the immediate center between

Kaltenbrunner and, apparently, Martin Bormann, taken at a concentration

camp, which appears from the picture of the inmates on the left side.

Then we wish to offer a very short affidavit, which is Document 4033-PS

and we offer as Exhibit USA-907—no, 8, 908. It is the deposition of

Oswald Pohl, P-o-h-l, dated the 28th of May 1946. The affidavit—the

substance of the affidavit reads as follows:

“I can say with absolute certainty that while on official

business at Mauthausen I saw and spoke to SS Obergruppenführer

Kaltenbrunner...”

THE PRESIDENT: One moment. Was Pohl called as a witness?

MR. DODD: No, Sir, he was not, he was not called. That was Puhl,

P-u-h-l. The names are similar.

“...I saw and spoke to SS Obergruppenführer Kaltenbrunner there

at the officers’ mess on the right-hand side of the camp

entrance either in the autumn of 1943 or the spring of 1944. I

took lunch with him there at the mess table.”

And then another affidavit, Document 4032-PS, which becomes Exhibit

USA-908—no, 909. I think it is unnecessary to read this; it has been

translated. It is the deposition of one Karl Reif, R-e-i-f, in which he

states that he saw Kaltenbrunner either in May or June, about midday, in

1942 in the camp at Mauthausen.

That is all we have to offer, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: Do the other members of the Prosecution wish to offer any

other evidence?

[_There was no response._]

Then now we can pass to evidence to be called on behalf of Bormann. Dr.

Bergold, will you call the witnesses you wish to call—Kempka.

DR. BERGOLD: Gentlemen of the Tribunal, I shall call the witness Kempka.

[_The witness Kempka took the stand._]

THE PRESIDENT: Will you state your full name, please.

ERICH KEMPKA (Witness): My name is Erich Kempka.

THE PRESIDENT: Will you repeat this oath after me: I swear by God—the

Almighty and Omniscient:—that I will speak the pure truth—and will

withhold and add nothing.

[_The witness repeated the oath._]

THE PRESIDENT: You may sit down.

DR. BERGOLD: Witness, in what capacity were you employed near Hitler

during the war?

KEMPKA: During the war I worked for Adolf Hitler as his personal driver.

DR. BERGOLD: Did you meet Martin Bormann in that capacity?

KEMPKA: Yes, I met Martin—Reichsleiter Martin Bormann in this capacity

at that time as my indirect superior.

DR. BERGOLD: Witness, on what day did you see the Defendant Martin

Bormann for the last time?

KEMPKA: I saw the Reichsleiter, the former Reichsleiter Martin Bormann,

on the night of 1-2 May 1945 near the Friedrichstrasse railroad station,

at the Weidendammer Bridge. Reichsleiter Bormann—former Reichsleiter

Bormann—asked me what the general situation was at the Friedrichstrasse

station, and I told him that there at the station it was hardly

possible...

THE PRESIDENT: You are going too fast. He asked you what?

KEMPKA: He asked me what the situation was and whether one could get

through there at the Friedrichstrasse station. I told him that was

practically impossible, since the defensive fighting there was too

heavy. Then he went on to ask whether it might be possible to do so with

armored cars. I told him that there was nothing like trying it.

Then a few tanks and a few SPW (armored personnel carrier) cars came

along, and small groups boarded them and hung on. Then the armored cars

pushed their way through the antitank trap and afterwards the leading

tank—along about at the middle of the tank on the left-hand side, where

Martin Bormann was walking—suddenly received a direct hit, I imagine

from a bazooka fired from a window, and this tank was blown up. A flash

of fire suddenly shot up on the very side where Bormann was walking and

I saw...

THE PRESIDENT: You are going too fast. You are still going much too

fast. The last thing I heard you say was that Bormann was walking in the

middle of the column. Is that right?

KEMPKA: Yes, at the middle of the tank, on the left-hand side.

Then, after it had got 40 to 50 meters past the antitank trap, this tank

received a direct hit, I imagine from a bazooka fired from a window. The

tank was blown to pieces right there where Martin—Reichsleiter

Bormann—was walking.

I myself was flung aside by the explosion and by a person thrown against

me who had been walking in front of me—I think it was Standartenführer

Dr. Stumpfecker—and I became unconscious. When I came to myself I could

not see anything either; I was blinded by the flash. Then I crawled back

again to the tank trap, and since then I have seen nothing more of

Martin Bormann.

DR. BERGOLD: Witness, did you see Martin Bormann collapse in the flash

of fire when it occurred?

KEMPKA: Yes, indeed, I still saw a movement which was a sort of

collapsing. You might call it a flying away.

DR. BERGOLD: Was this explosion so strong that according to your

observation Martin Bormann must have lost his life by it?

KEMPKA: Yes, I assume for certain that the force of the explosion was

such that he lost his life.

DR. BERGOLD: How was Martin Bormann dressed at that time?

KEMPKA: Martin Bormann was wearing a leather coat, an SS leader’s cap,

and the insignia of an SS Obergruppenführer.

DR. BERGOLD: Do you therefore believe that if he had been found wounded

on that occasion he would have been immediately identified, by this

clothing, as being one of the leading men of the Movement?

KEMPKA: Yes, indeed.

DR. BERGOLD: You said that another man was walking either beside or

ahead of Martin Bormann, namely a Herr Naumann of the Propaganda

Ministry?

KEMPKA: Yes, it was the former State Secretary, Dr. Naumann.

DR. BERGOLD: Was he approximately at the same distance from the

explosion?

KEMPKA: No, he was about 1 or 2 meters ahead of Martin Bormann.

DR. BERGOLD: Have you seen anything of this State Secretary Naumann

subsequently?

KEMPKA: No, I have not seen him again either, nor Standartenführer Dr.

Stumpfecker.

DR. BERGOLD: Then you crawled back, did you not?

KEMPKA: Yes.

DR. BERGOLD: And nobody else followed you?

KEMPKA: Certainly. Always, when you passed this antitank trap, you would

run into defensive fire; a few only would remain lying on the spot while

the rest always retreated. But those on that tank I have never seen

again.

DR. BERGOLD: Gentlemen of the Tribunal, I have no further questions for

this witness.

MR. DODD: I have no questions, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: Do the Defense Counsel want to ask him any questions?

[_There was no response._]

[_Turning to the witness._] How many tanks were there in this column?

KEMPKA: That I cannot say at the moment—possibly two or three. There

may have been four, but there were more SPW cars, armored personnel

carriers.

THE PRESIDENT: How many were there of them?

KEMPKA: More and more came up, and then some of them drove away again.

They tried to break through at that point. Possibly one or two tried.

The others withdrew after the tank was blown up.

THE PRESIDENT: Where did the column start from?

KEMPKA: That I do not know. They came quite suddenly—there they were, I

assume that they were tanks which had withdrawn into the middle of the

town and were also trying to break out in a southerly direction.

THE PRESIDENT: When you say they were there suddenly, where do you mean

they were? Where did they pick you up?

KEMPKA: I was not picked up. I left the Reich Chancellery...

THE PRESIDENT: Well, where did they join you? Where did you first see

them?

KEMPKA: At the Weidendammer Bridge, behind the Friedrichstrasse station.

They turned up there during the night.

THE PRESIDENT: Where was it that Bormann first asked you whether it

would be possible to get through?

KEMPKA: That was at the tank barrier behind the Friedrichstrasse station

at the Weidendammer Bridge.

THE PRESIDENT: Do you mean that you met him in the street?

KEMPKA: Yes. Martin Bormann was not present when we left the Reich

Chancellery; he did not appear at the bridge until between 2 and 3

o’clock in the morning.

THE PRESIDENT: You met him there just by chance, do you mean?

KEMPKA: I only met him by chance, yes.

THE PRESIDENT: Was there anybody with him?

KEMPKA: State Secretary Dr. Naumann from the Ministry of Propaganda was

with him, as well as Dr. Stumpfecker who had been the last doctor who

was with the Führer.

THE PRESIDENT: How far were they from the Reich Chancellery?

KEMPKA: That is—are—up to—from the Reich Chancellery to the

Friedrichstrasse station is approximately a quarter of an hour’s walk

under normal circumstances.

THE PRESIDENT: And then you saw some tanks and some other armored

vehicles coming along, is that right?

KEMPKA: Yes, yes indeed.

THE PRESIDENT: German tanks and German armored vehicles?

KEMPKA: Yes, German armored cars.

THE PRESIDENT: Did you have any conversation with the drivers of them?

KEMPKA: No, I did not talk to the drivers. I think State

Secretary—former State Secretary Dr. Naumann did.

THE PRESIDENT: And then you did not get into the tanks or the armored

vehicles?

KEMPKA: No, we did not get in—neither State Secretary Dr. Naumann nor

Reichsleiter Bormann.

THE PRESIDENT: You just walked along?

KEMPKA: I just walked along, yes.

THE PRESIDENT: And where were you with reference to Bormann?

KEMPKA: I was behind the tank, about—on the left-hand side behind the

tank.

THE PRESIDENT: How far from Bormann?

KEMPKA: It was perhaps 3 or 4 meters.

THE PRESIDENT: And then some missile struck the tank, is that right?

KEMPKA: No, I believe the tank was hit by a bazooka fired from a window.

THE PRESIDENT: And then you saw a flash and you became unconscious?

KEMPKA: Yes, I suddenly saw a flash of fire and in the fraction of a

second I also saw Reichsleiter Bormann and State Secretary Naumann both

make a movement as if collapsing and flying away. I myself was thrown

aside with them at that same moment and subsequently lost consciousness.

THE PRESIDENT: And then you crept away?

KEMPKA: When I recovered I could not see anything and then I crawled

away and crawled until I bumped my head against the tank barrier.

THE PRESIDENT: Where did you go to that night?

KEMPKA: I waited there for a while, and then I said farewell to my

drivers, some of whom were still there; and then I stayed in the ruins

of Berlin, and on the following day I left Berlin.

THE PRESIDENT: Where were you captured?

KEMPKA: I was captured at Berchtesgaden.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): How near were you to the tank when it

exploded?

KEMPKA: I estimate 3 to 4 meters.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): And how near was Bormann to the tank when it

exploded?

KEMPKA: I assume that he was holding on to it with one hand.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Well, you say you assume it. Did you see him

or did you not see him?

KEMPKA: I did not see him on the tank itself. But to keep pace with the

tank I had done the same thing and had held on to the tank at the back.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Did you see Bormann trying to get on the tank

just before the explosion?

KEMPKA: No, I did not see that. I did not see any effort on Bormann’s

part which indicated that he wanted to climb onto the tank.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): How long before the explosion were you

looking at Bormann?

KEMPKA: All this happened in a very brief period. When I was still

talking to Bormann the tanks turned up and we passed the tank trap right

away and after 30 or 40 meters the tank was hit.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): What do you call a brief period?

KEMPKA: Well, while we were talking, that was perhaps a few minutes

only.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): And how long between the conversation and the

explosion?

KEMPKA: I cannot tell you the exact time, but surely it was not a

quarter of an hour, or perhaps rather not half an hour.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Had you been in the Chancellery just before

this?

KEMPKA: I left the Reich Chancellery in the evening about 9 o’clock.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Have you ever told this story to anyone else?

KEMPKA: I have been interrogated several times on this subject and have

already made the same statement.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): And who took your interrogation, some

officers?

KEMPKA: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Of what army, what nations?

KEMPKA: I have been interrogated by various officers of the American

Army, the first time at Berchtesgaden, the second time at Freising, and

the third time at Oberursel.

MR. DODD: As a result of the Court’s inquiry there are one or two

questions that occur to me that I think perhaps should be brought out

which I would like to ask the witness, if I may.

THE PRESIDENT: Certainly.

MR. DODD: You were with Bormann, were you, at 9 o’clock in the bunker in

the Reich Chancellery on that night?

KEMPKA: Yes, indeed. I saw him for the last time about 9 o’clock in the

evening. When I said farewell to Dr. Goebbels, I also saw Martin Bormann

down in the cellar; and then I saw him again during the night about 2 or

3 o’clock in the morning.

MR. DODD: Well, maybe you said so, but I did not get it if you did.

Where did you see him at 2 or 3 in the morning prior to the time that

you started to walk with him along with the tank?

KEMPKA: Before that I saw him at the Friedrichstrasse station between 2

or 3 in the morning, and before that I saw him for the last time at 21

hours in the Reich Chancellery on the preceding evening.

MR. DODD: Well I know you did. But did not you and Bormann have any

conversation about how you would get out of Berlin when you left the

Reich Chancellery bunker at about 9 o’clock that night?

KEMPKA: I took my orders from the former Brigadeführer Milunke. I was

not receiving direct orders from Reichsleiter Bormann any more.

MR. DODD: I did not ask you if you got an order from him. I asked if you

and Bormann had not—and whoever else was there—had not discussed how

you would get out of Berlin. It was 9 o’clock at night and the situation

was getting pretty desperate. Did you not talk about how you would get

out that night? There were not many of you there.

KEMPKA: Oh yes, there were about 400 to 500 people in all still in the

Reich Chancellery and those 400 or 500 people were divided into separate

groups, and these groups left the Chancellery one by one.

MR. DODD: I know there may have been that many in the Chancellery. I am

talking about that bunker that you were in. You testified about this

before, have you not? You told people that you knew that Hitler was dead

as well as Bormann. And you must have been in the bunker if you know

that.

KEMPKA: Yes, I have already testified to that effect.

MR. DODD: Well, what I want to find out is whether or not you and

Bormann and whoever was left in that bunker talked about leaving Berlin

that night before you left the bunker?

KEMPKA: No, I did not speak about it any more to Reichsleiter Bormann at

that time. We had marching orders only to the effect that if we were

successful we should report at Fehrbellin where there was a combat group

which we were to join.

MR. DODD: You are the only man who has been able to testify that Hitler

is dead and the only one who has been able to testify that Bormann is

dead, is that so, so far as you know?

KEMPKA: I can state that Hitler is dead and that he died on 30 April in

the afternoon between 2 and 3 o’clock.

MR. DODD: I know, but you did not see him die either, did you?

KEMPKA: No, I did not see him die.

MR. DODD: And you told the interrogators that you believe you carried

his body out of the bunker and set it on fire. Are you not the man who

has said that?

KEMPKA: I carried out Adolf Hitler’s wife, and I saw Adolf Hitler

himself wrapped in a blanket.

MR. DODD: Did you actually see Hitler?

KEMPKA: I did not see all of him. The blanket in which he was wrapped

was rather short, and I only saw his legs hanging out.

MR. DODD: I do not think I will inquire any further, Mr. President.

DR. BERGOLD: I have no further questions either.

THE PRESIDENT: The witness can retire.

DR. BERGOLD: Gentlemen of the Tribunal, the witness Walkenhorst is also

still present here. It appears to me that there is a misunderstanding

between the High Tribunal and myself. I stated Saturday that I did not

wish to call any more witnesses besides the witness Kempka, and I

expressly waive the witness Walkenhorst.

THE PRESIDENT: What was he? What did you ask for him to prove in the

first instance?

DR. BERGOLD: I had originally called him as a substitute...

THE PRESIDENT: We have got your application.

DR. BERGOLD: But after talking to witness Klöpfer, whom I have also

waived, I am also waiving the witness Walkenhorst because he does not

appear to me to be competent enough to testify on what I wanted him to

testify about.

My entire presentation of evidence, therefore, is now completed, except

for the two documents which the Tribunal have already granted me,

namely, the decree about stopping the measures against the churches and

Bormann’s decree from the year 1944, with which he forbade members of

the Chancellery to be members of the SD. Those two documents I have not

yet received. When I have received them I shall submit them.

THE PRESIDENT: Very well.

Dr. Servatius, you have some question or affidavit you wanted to get

from this witness Walkenhorst, did you not?

DR. SERVATIUS: I have an affidavit from this witness Walkenhorst which

deals briefly with the question of the telephone conversation which

Sauckel had at that time about the evacuation of the Buchenwald Camp. He

has been accused of having ordered the evacuation of the camp when the

American army approached. Now this witness Walkenhorst has accidently

been found and it turns out that oddly enough he was the man with whom

Sauckel spoke. He has confirmed to me in an affidavit that Sauckel

demanded that the camp should be surrendered in an orderly way.

That is all I wanted to ask this witness. I can submit it here in the

form of an affidavit.

THE PRESIDENT: Do the Prosecution want the man called or will the

affidavit do?

DR. SERVATIUS: I am satisfied with handing over the affidavit.

COL. PHILLIMORE: My Lord, as far as the Prosecution are concerned, an

affidavit would suffice.

THE PRESIDENT: Very well.

DR. SERVATIUS: Then I shall submit the affidavit and I will give the

exhibit number together with my list.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, there is one other matter to which I wish to draw

the attention of defendants’ counsel.

The Tribunal have been informed as to the length of the speeches of

certain of the defendants’ counsel which have been placed before the

Translation Division for translation, and in the case of the Defendant

Keitel and in the case of the Defendant Jodl the speeches which have

been put into the Translation Division seem to be very much longer than

the Tribunal had anticipated and quite impossible to be spoken in 1 day.

Would counsel for the Defendant Keitel explain to the Tribunal why that

is and what steps he has taken to shorten his speech?

DR. NELTE: Mr. President, I have sent a letter to the Court today which

I believe is not yet in the Tribunal’s possession. In it I requested

that in the case of the Defendant Keitel I should be permitted to exceed

the regular length of time, which had been limited to 1 day for the big

cases. When, at the request of the Tribunal, I stated the time which my

final speech would take, I had my manuscript completed. This manuscript

would have taken about 7 hours. I gave that manuscript to the

Translation Division in that form because it was no longer possible to

alter it. I submitted the first part last Wednesday and then the second

part on Saturday morning.

If the Tribunal, in accordance with its decision, fixes 1 day, that is,

5½ hours of actual speech, as the maximum and is unwilling to depart

from that ruling in any case, not even in the case of the Defendant

Keitel, who has been particularly seriously implicated, then I shall be

forced to eliminate certain passages from the manuscript and to submit

them only in writing. I hope the Tribunal will also decide whether that

is possible.

THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Nelte, the Tribunal takes note of the fact that when

you were asked how long your speech would take, you said, I think, 7

hours.

DR. NELTE: Yes.

THE PRESIDENT: 7 hours. Well, according to the estimate which has been

given to the Tribunal, the speech which you submitted for translation

would take about 13 hours. That is nearly double as long as you yourself

said, and it is almost exactly double the length of the speech which has

been submitted for the Defendant Ribbentrop, whose case is almost as

extensive if not quite as extensive; and it appears to the Tribunal to

be out of all reason to put in a speech which will probably take nearly

double the time that you yourself stated. The speech you put in is more

than double the length of the speech which has been put in on behalf of

the Defendant Göring.

DR. NELTE: Naturally, I am unable to know by what points of view the

counsel for Reich Marshal Göring or Foreign Minister Von Ribbentrop are

guided and governed. I can only be guided by my own views and sense of

duty.

THE PRESIDENT: Perhaps that is a matter of comparison, it is true, but

you said 7 hours yourself, and you now put in a speech which will

probably take 13.

DR. NELTE: I believe, Mr. President, that I shall make that speech in 7

hours, if I have 7 hours speaking time.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, the Tribunal has given this matter a very full

consideration, as you are aware; and they have said that every speech

must be made in 1 day and that will take up some considerable time for

the whole of the defendants to make their speeches.

DR. NELTE: Mr. President, I shall wait for your decision. If I am

confined to 1 day, then I shall have to leave out certain parts from my

manuscript. But in that case I should have to ask that the remainder be

taken cognizance of by the Tribunal, because every thing that I have

included in my manuscript is the minimum of what should be delivered on

such a comprehensive case.

THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Nelte, we will consider that application for you to

be allowed to put in the other passages in your speech; and we will let

defendants’ counsel know what our decision is upon that.

Dr. Siemers, the Tribunal has now received a full report showing the

immense trouble taken by the Secretariat to find or to try and find the

witness Schulze, Otto Schulze, for you since you first asked for him in

February of this year; and the Tribunal would like to know what steps

you have taken in the meantime to try and find him.

DR. SIEMERS: I believe, Mr. President, that there was no need to find

the witness because, actually, it was known that he was living in

Hamburg-Blankenese and because, in my opinion, he is still in

Hamburg-Blankenese; and I have given this address to the General

Secretariat many times.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, you knew what the General Secretary’s office were

doing about the matter. You knew that they were unable to find him at

the address. You knew that they had sent the interrogatories to

Washington because they were told he had been taken over there, and we

are told that you have been in Hamburg yourself.

DR. SIEMERS: That the interrogatory was sent to Washington is something

which I have known only since last Friday, after my return from Hamburg.

I personally did not anticipate that such a mistake or such a

misunderstanding could arise. Unfortunately, I also do not know how it

did arise. Far be it from me to make any kind of accusation. I have

merely requested that if the document were received, then the Tribunal

should agree to receive it in evidence later. Unfortunately, I cannot

submit it today. I immediately informed the General Secretariat of the

address once more; I do not know anything more than this address in

Hamburg, either. In my opinion, Admiral Schulze is not in captivity. It

is possible that during my absence some misunderstanding occurred, but I

myself heard that only last Friday.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I cannot understand why, during all these months

that you have been here and have had full opportunity of seeing the

General Secretary and have received all the assistance which you and all

the other defendants’ counsel have received from the General

Secretariat, that you should not have helped the General Secretary

better to find this witness. That is all.

We will adjourn now.

[_The Tribunal adjourned until 4 July 1946, at 1000 hours._]

ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY-FIRST DAY

Thursday, 4 July 1946

_Morning Session_

THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Sauter.

DR. SAUTER: If you please, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: The Tribunal has received your letter of the 17th of June

of this year, signed by the Defendant Walter Funk.

DR. SAUTER: Yes.

THE PRESIDENT: The Tribunal proposes to take notice of that; and if you

will read it, it will then become a part of the record. So if you will

read it to us now.

DR. SAUTER: Mr. President, at the moment I do not have the letter with

me.

THE PRESIDENT: You may have my copy, but that is in English. The

Tribunal would wish you to do it at 2 o’clock, then—to read that

letter.

DR. SAUTER: Thank you, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: The same observation applies to Dr. Exner’s letter of the

23d of June 1946 on behalf of the Defendant Jodl; only the Tribunal

thinks that that letter also should be signed by the defendant, and read

by Dr. Exner at 2 o’clock.

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