CHAPTER XXV

TALAAT TELLS WHY HE “DEPORTS” THE ARMENIANS

It was some time before the story of the Armenian atrocities reached the

American Embassy in all its horrible details. In January and February

fragmentary reports began to filter in, but the tendency was at first to

regard them as mere manifestations of the disorders that had prevailed

in the Armenian provinces for many years. When the reports came from

Urumia, both Enver and Talaat dismissed them as wild exaggerations, and

when, for the first time, we heard of the disturbances at Van, these

Turkish officials declared that they were nothing more than a mob

uprising which they would soon have under control. I now see, what was

not apparent in those early months, that the Turkish Government was

determined to keep the news, as long as possible, from the outside

world. It was clearly the intention that Europe and America should hear

of the annihilation of the Armenian race only after that annihilation

had been accomplished. As the country which the Turks particularly

wished to keep in ignorance was the United States, they resorted to the

most shameless prevarications when discussing the situation with myself

and with my staff.

In early April the authorities arrested about two hundred Armenians in

Constantinople and sent them into the interior. Many of those who were

then deported were educational and social leaders and men who were

prominent in industry and in finance. I knew many of these men and

therefore felt a personal interest in their misfortunes. But when I

spoke to Talaat about their expulsion, he replied that the Government

was acting in self-defense. The Armenians at Van, he said, had already

shown their abilities as revolutionists; he knew that these leaders in

Constantinople were corresponding with the Russians and he had every

reason to fear that they would start an insurrection against the Central

Government. The safest plan, therefore, was to send them to Angora and

other interior towns. Talaat denied that this was part of any general

concerted scheme to rid the city of its Armenian population, and

insisted that the Armenian masses in Constantinople would not be

disturbed.

But soon the accounts from the interior became more specific and more

disquieting. The withdrawal of the Allied fleet from the Dardanelles

produced a distinct change in the atmosphere. Until then there were

numerous indications that all was not going well in the Armenian

provinces; when it at last became definitely established, however, that

the traditional friends of Armenia, Great Britain, France, and Russia,

could do nothing to help that suffering people, the mask began to

disappear. In April I was suddenly deprived of the privilege of using

the cipher for communicating with American consuls. The most rigorous

censorship also was applied to letters. Such measures could mean only

that things were happening in Asia Minor which the authorities were

determined to conceal. But they did not succeed. Though all sorts of

impediments were placed to travelling, certain Americans, chiefly

missionaries, succeeded in getting through. For hours they would sit in

my office and, with tears streaming down their faces, they would tell me

of the horrors through which they had passed. Many of these, both men

and women, were almost broken in health from the scenes which they had

witnessed. In many cases they brought me letters from American consuls,

confirming the most dreadful of their narrations and adding many

unprintable details. The general purport of all these first-hand reports

was that the utter depravity and fiendishness of the Turkish nature,

already sufficiently celebrated through the centuries, had now surpassed

themselves. There was only one hope of saving nearly 2,000,000 people

from massacre, starvation, and even worse, I was told--that was the

moral power of the United States. These spokesmen of a condemned nation

declared that, unless the American Ambassador could persuade the Turk to

stay his destroying arm, the whole Armenian nation would disappear. It

was not only American and Canadian missionaries who made this personal

appeal. Several of their German associates begged me to intercede. These

men and women confirmed all the worst things which I had heard, and they

were unsparing in denouncing their own fatherland. They did not conceal

the humiliation which they felt, as Germans, in the fact that their own

nation was allied with a people that could perpetrate such infamies, but

they understood German policy well enough to know that Germany would not

intercede. There was no use in expecting aid from the Kaiser, they

said--America must stop the massacres, or they would go on.

Technically, of course, I had no right to interfere. According to the

cold-blooded legalities of the situation,

[Illustration:

© Underwood & Underwood

KAISER WILLIAM II, IN THE UNIFORM OF A TURKISH FIELD MARSHAL

He remained acquiescent, refusing to intercede, while his allies,

the Turks, murdered anywhere from 600,000 to 1,000,000 Armenians.

This assassination of a whole people was the worst outcome of the

Prussian doctrine,--that anything is justified which promotes the

success of German arms. After the massacre was over, the Kaiser

decorated the Sultan, precisely as in 1898, after Abdul Hamid had

just massacred 200,000 Christians, he visited that potentate and

publicly embraced him.

]

[Illustration: INTERIOR OF THE ARMENIAN CHURCH AT URFA

Where many Armenians were burned. The Armenian Church was

established in the fourth century; it is said to be the oldest

state Christian church in existence.

]

the treatment of Turkish subjects by the Turkish Government was purely a

domestic affair; unless it directly affected American lives and American

interests, it was outside the concern of the American Government. When I

first approached Talaat on the subject, he called my attention to this

fact in no uncertain terms. This interview was one of the most exciting

which I had had up to that time. Two missionaries had just called upon

me, giving the full details of the frightful happenings at Konia. After

listening to their stories, I could not restrain myself, and went

immediately to the Sublime Porte. I saw at once that Talaat was in one

of his most ferocious states of mind. For months he had been attempting

to secure the release of one of his closest friends, Ayoub Sabri, and

Zinnoun, who were held as prisoners by the English at Malta. His failure

in this matter was a constant grievance and irritation; he was always

talking about it, always making new suggestions for getting his friends

back to Turkey, and always appealing to me for help. So furious did the

Turkish Boss become when thinking about his absent friends that we

usually referred to these manifestations as Talaat in his “Ayoub Sabri

moods.” This particular morning the Minister of the Interior was in one

of his worst “Ayoub Sabri moods.” Once more he had been working for the

release of the exiles and once more he had failed. As usual, he

attempted to preserve outer calm and courtesy to me, but his short,

snappy phrases, his bull-dog rigidity, and his wrists, planted on the

table, showed that it was an unfavourable moment to stir him to any

sense of pity or remorse. I first spoke to him about a Canadian

missionary, Dr. McNaughton, who was receiving harsh treatment in Asia

Minor.

“The man is an English agent,” he replied, “and we have the evidence for

it.”

“Let me see it,” I asked.

“We’ll do nothing for any Englishman or any Canadian,” he replied,

“until they release Ayoub and Zinnoun.”

“But you promised to treat English in the employ of Americans as

Americans,” I replied.

“That may be,” rejoined the Minister, “but a promise is not made to be

kept forever. I withdraw that promise now. There is a time limit on a

promise.”

“But if a promise is not binding, what is?” I asked.

“A guarantee,” Talaat answered quickly.

This fine Turkish distinction had a certain metaphysical interest, but I

had more practical matters to discuss at that time. So I began to talk

about the Armenians at Konia. I had hardly started when Talaat’s

attitude became even more belligerent. His eyes lighted up, he brought

his jaws together, leaned over toward me, and snapped out:

“Are _they_ Americans?”

The implications of this question were hardly diplomatic; it was merely

a way of telling me that the matter was none of my business. In a moment

Talaat said this in so many words.

“The Armenians are not to be trusted,” he said, “besides, what we do

with them does not concern the United States.”

I replied that I regarded myself as the friend of the Armenians and was

shocked at the way that they were being treated. But he shook his head

and refused to discuss the matter. I saw that nothing could be gained by

forcing the issue at that time. I spoke in behalf of another British

subject who was not being treated properly.

“He’s English, isn’t he?” answered Talaat. “Then I shall do as I like

with him!”

“Eat him, if you wish!” I replied.

“No,” said Talaat, “he would go against my digestion.”

He was altogether in a reckless mood. “_Gott strafe England!_” he

shouted--using one of the few German phrases that he knew. “As to your

Armenians, we don’t give a rap for the future! We live only in the

present! As to the English, I wish you would telegraph Washington that

we shall not do a thing for them until they let out Ayoub Sabri and

Zinnoun!”

Then leaning over, he struck a pose, pressed his hand to his heart, and

said, in English--I think this must have been almost all the English he

knew:

“Ayoub Sabri--he--my--brudder!”

Despite this I made another plea for Dr. McNaughton.

“He’s not American,” said Talaat, “he’s a Canadian.”

“It’s almost the same thing,” I said.

“Well,” replied Talaat, “if I let him go, will you promise that the

United States will annex Canada?”

“I promise,” said I, and we both laughed at this little joke.

“Every time you come here,” Talaat finally said, “you always steal

something from me. All right, you can have your McNaughton!”

Certainly this interview was not an encouraging beginning, so far as the

Armenians were concerned. But Talaat was not always in an “Ayoub Sabri

mood.” He went from one emotion to another as lightly as a child; I

would find him fierce and unyielding one day, and uproariously

good-natured and accommodating the next. Prudence indicated, therefore,

that I should await one of his more congenial moments before approaching

him on the subject that aroused all the barbarity in his nature. Such an

opportunity was soon presented. One day, soon after the interview

chronicled above, I called on Talaat again. The first thing he did was

to open his desk and pull out a handful of yellow cablegrams.

“Why don’t you give this money to us?” he said, with a grin.

“What money?” I asked.

“Here is a cablegram for you from America, sending you a lot of money

for the Armenians. You ought not to use it that way; give it to us

Turks, we need it as badly as they do.”

“I have not received any such cablegram,” I replied.

“Oh, no, but you will,” he answered. “I always get all your cablegrams

first, you know. After I have finished reading them I send them around

to you.”

This statement was the literal truth. Every morning all uncoded

cablegrams received in Constantinople were forwarded to Talaat, who read

them, before consenting to their being forwarded to their destinations.

Even the cablegrams of the ambassadors were apparently not exempt,

though, of course, the ciphered messages were not interfered with.

Ordinarily I might have protested against this infringement of my

rights, but Talaat’s engaging frankness about pilfering my

correspondence and in even waving my own cablegrams in my face gave me

an excellent opening to introduce the forbidden subject.

But on this occasion, as on many others, Talaat was evasive and

non-committal and showed much hostility to the interest which the

American people were manifesting in the Armenians. He explained his

policy on the ground that the Armenians were in constant correspondence

with the Russians. The definite conviction which these conversations

left upon my mind was that Talaat was the most implacable enemy of this

persecuted race. “He gave me the impression,” such is the entry which I

find in my diary on August 3d, “that Talaat is the one who desires to

crush the poor Armenians.” He told me that the Union and Progress

Committee had carefully considered the matter in all its details and

that the policy which was being pursued was that which they had

officially adopted. He said that I must not get the idea that the

deportations had been decided upon hastily; in reality, they were the

result of prolonged and careful deliberation. To my repeated appeals

that he should show mercy to these people, he sometimes responded

seriously, sometimes angrily, and sometimes flippantly.

“Some day,” he once said, “I will come and discuss the whole Armenian

subject with you,” and then he added in a low tone in Turkish:

“But that day will never come!”

“Why are you so interested in the Armenians, anyway?” he said, on

another occasion. “You are a Jew; these people are Christians. The

Mohammedans and the Jews always get on harmoniously. We are treating the

Jews here all right. What have you to complain of? Why can’t you let us

do with these Christians as we please?”

I had frequently remarked that the Turks look upon practically every

question as a personal matter, yet this point of view rather stunned me.

However, it was a complete revelation of Turkish mentality; the fact

that, above all considerations of race and religion, there are such

things as humanity and civilization, never for a moment enters their

mind. They can understand a Christian fighting for a Christian and a Jew

fighting for a Jew, but such abstractions as justice and decency form no

part of their conception of things.

“You don’t seem to realize,” I replied, “that I am not here as a Jew but

as American Ambassador. My country contains something more than

97,000,000 Christians and something less than 3,000,000 Jews. So, at

least in my ambassadorial capacity, I am 97 per cent. Christian. But

after all, that is not the point. I do not appeal to you in the name of

any race or any religion, but merely as a human being. You have told me

many times that you want to make Turkey a part of the modern progressive

world. The way you are treating the Armenians will not help you to

realize that ambition; it puts you in the class of backward, reactionary

peoples.”

“We treat the Americans all right, too,” said Talaat. “I don’t see why

you should complain.”

“But Americans are outraged by your persecutions of the Armenians,” I

replied. “You must base your principles on humanitarianism, not racial

discrimination, or the United States will not regard you as a friend and

an equal. And you should understand the great changes that are taking

place among Christians all over the world. They are forgetting their

differences and all sects are coming together as one. You look down on

American missionaries, but don’t forget that it is the best element in

America that supports their religious work, as well as their educational

institutions. Americans are not mere materialists, always chasing

money--they are broadly humanitarian, and interested in the spread of

justice and civilization throughout the world. After this war is over

you will face a new situation. You say that, if victorious, you can defy

the world, but you are wrong. You will have to meet public opinion

everywhere, especially in the United States. Our people will never

forget these massacres. They will always resent the wholesale

destruction of Christians in Turkey. They will look upon it as nothing

but wilful murder and will seriously condemn all the men who are

responsible for it. You will not be able to protect yourself under your

political status and say that you acted as Minister of the Interior and

not as Talaat. You are defying all ideas of justice as we understand the

term in our country.”

Strangely enough, these remarks did not offend Talaat, but they did not

shake his determination. I might as well have been talking to a stone

wall. From my abstractions he immediately came down to something

definite.

“These people,” he said, “refused to disarm when we told them to. They

opposed us at Van and at Zeitoun, and they helped the Russians. There is

only one way in which we can defend ourselves against them in the

future, and that is just to deport them.”

“Suppose a few Armenians did betray you,” I said. “Is that a reason for

destroying a whole race? Is that an excuse for making innocent women

and children suffer?”

“Those things are inevitable,” he replied.

This remark to me was not quite so illuminating as one which Talaat made

subsequently to a reporter of the _Berliner Tageblatt_, who asked him

the same question. “We have been reproached,” he said, according to this

interviewer, “for making no distinction between the innocent Armenians

and the guilty; but that was utterly impossible, in view of the fact

that those who were innocent to-day might be guilty to-morrow”!

One reason why Talaat could not discuss this matter with me freely, was

because the member of the embassy staff who did the interpreting was

himself an Armenian. In the early part of August, therefore, he sent a

personal messenger to me, asking if I could not see him alone--he said

that he himself would provide the interpreter. This was the first time

that Talaat had admitted that his treatment of the Armenians was a

matter with which I had any concern. The interview took place two days

afterward. It so happened that since the last time I had visited Talaat

I had shaved my beard. As soon as I came in the burly Minister began

talking in his customary bantering fashion.

“You have become a young man again,” he said; “you are so young now that

I cannot go to you for advice any more.”

“I have shaved my beard,” I replied, “because it had become very

gray--made gray by your treatment of the Armenians.”

After this exchange of compliments we settled down to the business in

hand. “I have asked you to come to-day,” began Talaat, “so that I can

explain our

[Illustration: ARMENIAN SOLDIERS

Until 1908 no Armenian was allowed to serve in the Ottoman army. In

the Balkan Wars, they distinguished themselves by their bravery and

skill. In the present war, the Turks have taken away their arms and

transformed them into pack animals and road labourers.

]

[Illustration: THOSE WHO FELL BY THE WAYSIDE

Scenes like this were common all over the Armenian provinces, in

the spring and summer months of 1915. Death in its several

forms--massacre, starvation, exhaustion--destroyed the larger part

of the refugees. The Turkish policy was that of extermination under

the guise of deportation.

]

[Illustration: A VIEW OF HARPOOT

Where massacres of men took place on a large scale]

position on the whole Armenian subject. We base our objections to the

Armenians on three distinct grounds. In the first place, they have

enriched themselves at the expense of the Turks. In the second place,

they are determined to domineer over us and to establish a separate

state. In the third place, they have openly encouraged our enemies. They

have assisted the Russians in the Caucasus and our failure there is

largely explained by their actions. We have therefore come to the

irrevocable decision that we shall make them powerless before this war

is ended.”

On every one of these points I had plenty of arguments in rebuttal.

Talaat’s first objection was merely an admission that the Armenians were

more industrious and more able than the dull-witted and lazy Turks.

Massacre as a means of destroying business competition was certainly an

original conception! His general charge that the Armenians were

“conspiring” against Turkey and that they openly sympathized with

Turkey’s enemies merely meant, when reduced to its original elements,

that the Armenians were constantly appealing to the European Powers to

protect them against robbery, murder, and outrage. The Armenian problem,

like most race problems, was the result of centuries of ill-treatment

and injustice. There could be only one solution for it, the creation of

an orderly system of government, in which all citizens were to be

treated upon an equality, and in which all offenses were to be punished

as the acts of individuals and not as of peoples. I argued for a long

time along these and similar lines.

“It is no use for you to argue,” Talaat answered, “we have already

disposed of three quarters of the Armenians; there are none at all left

in Bitlis, Van, and Erzeroum. The hatred between the Turks and the

Armenians is now so intense that we have got to finish with them. If we

don’t, they will plan their revenge.”

“If you are not influenced by humane considerations,” I replied, “think

of the material loss. These people are your business men. They control

many of your industries. They are very large tax-payers. What would

become of you commercially without them?”

“We care nothing about the commercial loss,” replied Talaat. “We have

figured all that out and we know that it will not exceed five million

pounds. We don’t worry about that. I have asked you to come here so as

to let you know that our Armenian policy is absolutely fixed and that

nothing can change it. We will not have the Armenians anywhere in

Anatolia. They can live in the desert but nowhere else.”

I still attempted to persuade Talaat that the treatment of the Armenians

was destroying Turkey in the eyes of the world, and that his country

would never be able to recover from this infamy.

“You are making a terrible mistake,” I said, and I repeated the

statement three times.

“Yes, we may make mistakes,” he replied, “but”--and he firmly closed his

lips and shook his head--”we never regret.”

I had many talks with Talaat on the Armenians, but I never succeeded in

moving him to the slightest degree. He always came back to the points

which he had made in this interview. He was very willing to grant any

request I made in behalf of the Americans or even of the French and

English, but I could obtain no general concessions for the Armenians.

He seemed to me always to have the deepest personal feeling in this

matter, and his antagonism to the Armenians seemed to increase as their

sufferings increased. One day, discussing a particular Armenian, I told

Talaat that he was mistaken in regarding this man as an enemy of the

Turks; that in reality he was their friend.

“No Armenian,” replied Talaat, “can be our friend after what we have

done to them.”

One day Talaat made what was perhaps the most astonishing request I had

ever heard. The New York Life Insurance Company and the Equitable Life

of New York had for years done considerable business among the

Armenians. The extent to which this people insured their lives was

merely another indication of their thrifty habits.

“I wish,” Talaat now said, “that you would get the American life

insurance companies to send us a complete list of their Armenian policy

holders. They are practically all dead now and have left no heirs to

collect the money. It of course all escheats to the State. The

Government is the beneficiary now. Will you do so?”

This was almost too much, and I lost my temper.

“You will get no such list from me,” I said, and I got up and left him.

One other episode involving the Armenians stirred Talaat to one of his

most ferocious moods. In the latter part of September, Mrs. Morgenthau

left for America. The sufferings of the Armenians had greatly preyed

upon her mind and she really left for home because she could not any

longer endure to live in such a country. But she determined to make one

last intercession for this poor people on her own account. Her way home

took her through Bulgaria, and she had received an intimation that Queen

Eleanor of that country would be glad to receive her. Perhaps it was

Mrs. Morgenthau’s well-known interest in social work that led to this

invitation. Queen Eleanor was a high-minded woman, who had led a sad and

lonely existence, and who was spending most of her time attempting to

improve the condition of the poor in Bulgaria. She knew all about social

work in American cities, and, a few years before, she had made all her

plans to visit the United States in order to study our settlements at

first hand. At the time of Mrs. Morgenthau’s visit the Queen had two

American nurses from the Henry Street Settlement of New York instructing

a group of Bulgarian girls in the methods of the American Red Cross.

My wife was mainly interested in visiting the Queen in order that, as

one woman to another, she might make a plea for the Armenians. At that

time the question of Bulgaria’s entrance into the war had reached a

critical stage, and Turkey was prepared to make concessions to gain her

as an ally. It was therefore a propitious moment to make such an appeal.

The Queen received Mrs. Morgenthau informally, and my wife spent about

an hour telling her all about the Armenians. Most of what she said was

entirely new to the Queen. Little had yet appeared in the European press

on this subject, and Queen Eleanor was precisely the kind of woman from

whom the truth would be concealed as long as possible. Mrs. Morgenthau

gave her all the facts about the treatment of Armenian women and

children and asked her to intercede in their behalf. She even went so

far as to suggest that it would be a terrible thing if Bulgaria, which

in the past had herself suffered such atrocities at the hands of the

Turks, should now become their allies in war. Queen Eleanor was greatly

moved. She thanked my wife for telling her these truths and said that

she would investigate immediately and see if something could not be

done.

Just as Mrs. Morgenthau was getting ready to leave she saw the Duke of

Mecklenburg standing near the door. The Duke was in Sofia at that time

attempting to arrange for Bulgaria’s participation in the war. The Queen

introduced him to Mrs. Morgenthau; His Highness was polite, but his air

was rather cold and injured. His whole manner, particularly the stern

glances which he cast on Mrs. Morgenthau, showed that he had heard a

considerable part of the conversation. As he was exerting all his

efforts to bring Bulgaria in on Germany’s side, it is not surprising

that he did not relish the plea which Mrs. Morgenthau was making to the

Queen that Bulgaria should not ally herself with Turkey.

Queen Eleanor immediately interested herself in the Armenian cause, and,

as a result, the Bulgarian Minister to Turkey was instructed to protest

against the atrocities. This protest accomplished nothing, but it did

arouse Talaat’s momentary wrath against the American Ambassador. A few

days afterward, when routine business called me to the Sublime Porte, I

found him in an exceedingly ugly humour. He answered most of my

questions savagely and in monosyllables, and I was afterward told that

Mrs. Morgenthau’s intercession with the Queen had put him into this

mood. In a few days, however, he was as good-natured as ever, for

Bulgaria had taken sides with Turkey.

Talaat’s attitude toward the Armenians was summed up in the proud boast

which he made to his friends: “I have accomplished more toward solving

the Armenian problem in three months than Abdul Hamid accomplished in

thirty years!”

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