Illustrated by Orban

[Transcriber's Note: This etext was produced from

Astounding Science-Fiction, October 1944.

Extensive research did not uncover any evidence that

the U.S. copyright on this publication was renewed.]

Mark Kingman was surprised by the tapping on his windowpane. He thought

that the window was unreachable from the outside--and then he realized

that it was probably someone throwing bits of dirt or small stones. But

who would do that when the doorway was free for any bell-ringer?

He shrugged, and went to the window to look out--and become cross-eyed

as his eyes tried to cope with a single circle not more than ten inches

distant. He could see the circle--and the bands on the inside spiraling

into the depths of the barrel, and a cold shiver ran up his spine from

there to here. Behind the heavy automatic, a dark-complected man with

a hawklike face grinned mirthlessly.

Kingman stepped back and the stranger swung in and sat upon the

windowsill.

"Well?" asked the lawyer.

"Is it well?" asked the stranger. "You know me?"

"No. Never saw you before in my life? Is this a burglary?"

"Nope. If it were, I'd have drilled you first so you couldn't describe

me."

Kingman shuddered. The stranger looked as though he meant it.

"In case you require an introduction," said the hard-faced man, "I'm

Allison Murdoch."

"Hellion?"

"None other."

"You were in jail--"

"I know. I've been there before."

"But how did you escape?"

"I'm a doctor of some repute," said Hellion, "Or was, until my darker

reputation exceeded my reputation for neural surgery. It was simple.

I slit my arm and deposited therein the contents of a cigarette. It

swelled up like gangrene and they removed me to the hospital. I removed

a few guards and lit out in the ambulance. And I am here."

"Why?" Kingman then became thoughtful. "You're not telling me this for

mutual friendship, Murdoch. What's on your mind?"

"You were in the clink, too. How did you get out?"

"The court proceedings were under question for procedure. It was

further ruled that--"

"I see. You bought your way out."

"I did not--"

"Kingman, you're a lawyer. A smart one, too."

"Thank you--"

"But you're capable of buying your freedom, which you did.

Fundamentally, it makes no difference whether you bribe a guard to look

the other way or bribe a jury to vote the other way. It's bribery in

either case."

Kingman smiled in a superior way. "With the very important difference

that the latter means results in absolute freedom. Bribing a guard is

freedom only so long as the law may be avoided."

"So you did bribe the jury?"

"I did nothing of the sort. It was a ruling over a technicality that

did me the favor."

"You created the technicality."

"Look," said Kingman sharply. "You didn't come here to steal by your

own admission and your excellent logic. You never saw me before, and

I do not know of you save what I've heard. Revenge for something

real or fancied is obviously no reason for this visit. I was charged

with several kinds of larceny, which charges fell through and I

was acquitted of them--which means that I did not commit them. I,

therefore, am no criminal. On the other hand, you have a record.

You were in jail, convicted, and you escaped by some means that may

have included the act of first-degree murder. You came here for some

reason, Murdoch. But let me tell you this: I am in no way required to

explain the workings of my mind. If you expect me to reveal some legal

machination by which I gained my freedom, you are mistaken. As far as

the solar system is concerned, everything was legal and above board."

"I get it," smiled Murdoch. "You're untouchable."

"Precisely. And rightfully so."

"You're the man I want, then."

"It isn't mutual. I have no desire to be identified with a criminal of

your caliber."

"What's wrong with it?" asked Murdoch.

"It is fundamentally futile. You are not a brilliant criminal. You've

been caught."

"I didn't have the proper assistance. I shall not be caught again.

Look," he said suddenly, "how is your relationship with Venus

Equilateral?"

Kingman gritted his teeth and made an animal noise.

"I thought so. I have a score of my own to settle. But I need your

help. Do I get it?"

"I can't see how one of your caliber is capable--"

"Are you or aren't you? Your answer may decide the duration of your

life."

"You needn't threaten. I'm willing to go to any lengths to get even

with Channing and his crowd. But it must be good."

"I was beaten by a technical error," explained Murdoch. "The coating on

my ship did it."

"How?"

"They fired at me with a super electron-gun. A betatron. It hit me and

disrupted the ship's apparatus. The thing couldn't have happened if the

standard space-finish hadn't been applied to the _Hippocrates_."

"I'm not a technical man," said Kingman. "Explain, please."

* * * * *

"The average ship is coated with a complex metallic oxide which among

other things inhibits secondary emission. Had we been running a ship

without this coating, the secondary emission would have left the

_Hippocrates_ in fair condition electronically, but the Relay Station

would have received several times the electronic charge. But the

coating accepted the terrific charge and prevented the normal urge of

electrons to leave by secondary emission--"

"What is secondary emission?"

"When an electron hits at any velocity, it drives from one to as high

as fifty electrons from the substance it hits. The quantity depends

upon the velocity of the original electron, the charges on cathode and

anode, the material from which the target is made, and so on. We soaked

'em in like a sponge and took it bad. But the next time, we'll coat the

ship with the opposite stuff. We'll take a bit of Venus Equilateral for

ourselves."

"I like the idea. But how?"

"We'll try no frontal attack. Storming a citadel like Venus Equilateral

is no child's play, Kingman. As you know, they're prepared for anything

either legal or technical. I have a great respect for the combined

abilities of Channing and Franks. I made my first mistake by giving

them three days to make up their minds. In that time, they devised,

tested, and approved an electron weapon of some power. Their use of it

was as dangerous to them as it was to me--or would have been if I'd

been prepared with a metallic-oxide coating of the proper type."

"Just what are you proposing?" asked Kingman. "I do not understand what

you're getting at."

"You are still one of the officials of Terran Electric?"

"Naturally."

"You will be surprised to know that I hold considerable stock in that

company."

"How, may I ask?"

"The last time you bucked them, you did it on the market. You lost,"

grinned Murdoch. "Proving that you haven't a one hundred percent record

either. Well, while Terran Electric was dragging its par value down

around the twos and threes, I took a few shares."

"How do you stand?"

"I rather imagine that I hold fifteen or twenty percent."

"That took money."

"I have money," said Murdoch modestly. "Plenty of it. I should have

grabbed more stock, but I figured that between us we have enough to do

as we please. What's your holdings?"

"I once held forty-one percent. They bilked me out of some of that. I

have less than thirty percent."

"So we'll run the market crazy again, and between us we'll take off

control. Then, Kingman, we'll use Terran Electric to ruin Venus

Equilateral."

"Terran Electric isn't too good a company now," admitted Kingman.

"The public stays away in huge droves since we bucked Interplanetary

Communications. That bunch of electronic screwballs has the public

acclaim. They're now in solid since they opened person-to-person phone

on the driver frequencies. You can talk to someone in the Palanortis

Country of Venus with the same quality and speak-ability that you get

in making a call from here to the house across the street."

"Terran Electric is about finished," said Murdoch flatly. "They shot

their wad and lost. You'll be bankrupt in a year, and you know it."

"That includes you, doesn't it?"

"Terran Electric is not the mainstay of my holdings," smiled Murdoch.

"Under assumed names, I have picked up quite a few bits. Look, Kingman,

I'm advocating piracy!"

"Piracy?" asked Kingman aghast.

"Illegal piracy. But I'm intelligent. I realize that a pirate hasn't

a chance against civilization unless he is as smart as they are. We

need a research and construction organization, and that's where Terran

Electric comes in. It's an old company, well established. It's now on

the rocks. We can build it up again. We'll use it for a base, and set

the research boys to figuring out the answers we need. Eventually we'll

control Venus Equilateral, and half of the enterprises throughout the

system."

"And your main plan?"

"You run Terran Electric, and I'll run the space piracy. Between us

we'll have the system over a barrel. Space craft are still run without

weapons, and no weapons are suited for space fighting. But the new

field opened up by the driver radiation energy may exhibit something

new in weapons. That's what I want Terran Electric to work on."

"We'll have to plan a bit more," said Kingman thoughtfully. "I'll

cover you up, and eventually we'll buy you out. Meanwhile we'll go to

work on the market and get control of Terran Electric. And plan, too.

It'll have to be foolproof."

"It will be," said Murdoch. "We'll plan it that way."

"We'll drink on it," said Kingman.

"_You'll_ drink on it," said Murdoch. "I never touch the stuff. I still

pride myself on my skill with a scalpel, and I do not care to lose it.

Frankly, I hope to keep it long enough to uncover the metatarsal bones

of one Donald Channing, Director of Communications."

Kingman shuddered. At times, murder had passed through his mind when

thinking of Channing. But this cruel idea of vivisecting an enemy

indicated a sadism that was far beyond Kingman's idea of revenge.

Of course, Kingman never considered that ruining a man financially,

reducing him to absolute dependency upon friends or government, when

the man had spent his life in freedom and plenty--the latter gained by

his ability under freedom--was cruel and inhuman.

And yet it would take a completely dispassionate observer to tell which

was worse; to ruin a man's body or to ruin a man's life.

* * * * *

The man in question was oblivious to these plans on his future. He

was standing before a complicated maze of laboratory glassware and a

haywire tangle of electronic origin. He looked it over in puzzlement,

and his lack of enthusiasm bothered the other man. Wesley Farrell

thought that his boss would have been volubly glad to see the fruits of

his labor.

"No doubt it's wonderful," smiled Channing. "But what is it, Wes?"

"Why, I've been working on an alloy that will not sustain an arc."

"Go on. I'm interested even though I do not climb the chandelier and

scream, beating my manly chest."

"Oil switches are cumbersome. Any other means of breaking contact

is equally cumbersome if it is to handle much power. My alloy is

non-arcing. It will not sustain an arc, even though the highest current

and voltage are broken."

"Now I am really interested," admitted Channing. "Oil switches in a

spaceship are a definite drawback."

"I know. So--here we are."

"What's the rest of this stuff?" asked Channing, laying a hand on the

glassware.

"Be careful!" said Farrell in concern. "That's hot stuff."

"Oh?"

"In order to get some real voltages and currents to break without

running the main Station bus through here, I cooked this stuff up. The

plate-grilleworks in the large tubes exhibit a capacity between them of

about one microfarad. Empty, that is, or I should say precisely point

nine eight microfarads in vacuuo. The fluid is of my own devising,

concocted for the occasion, and has a dielectric constant of thirteen

times ten to the sixth power. It--"

"Great Howling Rockets!" exploded Channing. "That makes the overall

capacity equal to thirteen _farads_!"

"Just about. Well, I have the condenser charged to three kilovolts, and

then I discharge it through this switch made of the non-arcing alloy.

Watch! No, Don, from back here, please, behind this safety glass."

Channing made some discomforting calculations about thirteen farads

at three thousand volts charge and decided that there was something

definitely unlucky about the number thirteen.

"The switch, now," continued Farrell, as though thirteen farads was

just a mere drop in the bucket, "is opened four milliseconds after it

is closed. The time-constant of the discharging resistance is such that

the voltage is point eight three, of its peak three thousand volts,

giving a good check of the alloy."

"I should think so," groused Channing. "Eighty-three percent of three

thousand volts is just shy of twenty-five hundred volts. The current

of discharge passing through a circuit that will drop the charge in a

thirteen farad condenser eighty-three percent in four milliseconds will

be something fierce, believe me."

"That is why I use the heavy busbars from the condenser bank through

the switch."

"I get it. Go ahead, Wes. I want to see this non-arcing switch of yours

perform."

Farrell checked the meters, and then said "Now!" and punched the

switch at his side. Across the room a solenoid drove the special

alloy bar between two clamps of similar metal. Almost immediately,

four thousandths of a second later, to be exact, the solenoid reacted

automatically and the no-arc alloy was withdrawn. A minute spark

flashed briefly between the contacts.

"And that is that," said Channing, slightly dazed by the magnitude of

it all, and the utter simplicity of the effects. "But look, Wes, may I

ask you a favor? Please discharge that infernal machine and drain that

electrolyte out. Then make the thing up in a tool-steel case and seal

it. Also hang on busbars right at the plates themselves, and slap a

peak-voltage fuse across the terminals. One that will close at anything

above three thousand volts. Follow me?"

"I think so. But that is not the main point of interest--"

"I know," grinned Channing, mopping his forehead. "The non-arc is. But

that fragile glassware makes me as jittery as a Mexican jumping bean."

"But why?"

"Wes, if that glassware fractures somewhere, and that electrolyte

drools out, you'll have a condenser of one microfarad--charged to

thirteen million times three thousand volts. Or, in nice, hollow,

round numbers, forty billion volts! Four times ten to the tenth. Of

course, it won't get that far. It'll arc across the contacts before

it gets that high, but it might raise particular hell on the way out.

Take it easy, Wes. We're seventy millionodd miles from the nearest

large body of dirt, all collected in a little steel bottle about three

miles long and a mile in diameter. I'd hate to stop all interplanetary

communications while we scraped ourselves off of the various walls and

treated ourselves for electric shock. It would--the discharge itself,

I mean--raise hell with the equipment anyway. So play it easy, Wes. We

do not permit certain experiments out here because of the slow neutrons

that sort of wander through here at fair density. Likewise, we cannot

permit dangerous experiments. And anything that includes a dangerous

experiment must be out, too."

"Oh," said Wes. His voice and attitude were together crestfallen.

"Don't take it so hard, fella," grinned Channing. "Anytime we

have to indulge in dangerous experiments, we always do it with an

assistant--and in one of the blister-laboratories. But take that

fragile glassware out of the picture and I'll buy it," he finished.

* * * * *

Walt Franks entered and asked what was going on.

"Wes was just demonstrating the latest equipment in concentrated

deviltry," smiled Channing.

"That's my department," said Walt.

"Oh, it's not as bad as your stuff," said Channing. "What he's got here

is an alloy that will break several million watts without an arc. Great

stuff, Walt."

"Sounds swell," said Walt. "Better scribble it up and we'll get a

patent. It sounds useful."

"I think it may bring us a bit of change," said Channing. "It's great

stuff, Wes."

"Thanks. It annoyed me to see those terrific oil-breakers we have here.

All I wanted to do was to replace 'em with something smaller and more

efficient."

"You did, Wes. And that isn't all. How did you dream up that

high-dielectric?"

"Applied several of the physical phenomena."

"That's a good bet, too. We can use several fluids of various

dielectric constants. Can you make solids as well?"

"Not as easily. But I can try--?"

"Go ahead and note anything you find above the present, listed

compounds and their values."

"I'll list everything, as I always do."

"Good. And the first thing to do is to can that stuff in a steel case."

"It'll have to be plastalloy."

"That's as strong as steel and nonconducting. Go ahead."

Channing led Franks from the laboratory, and once outside Channing gave

way to a session of the shakes. "Walt," he asked plaintively, "take me

by the hand and lead me to Joe's. I need some vitamins."

"Bad?"

"Did you see that glassblower's nightmare?"

"You mean that collection of cut glass?" grinned Walt. "Uh-huh. It

looked as though it were about to collapse of its own dead weight."

"That held an electrolyte of dielectric constant thirteen times ten

to the sixth. He had it charged to a mere three thousand volts. Ye

Gods, Walt. Thirteen farads at three KV. _Whew._ And when he discharged

it, the confounded leads that went through the glass sidewalls to the

condenser plates positively glowed in the cherry red. I swear it!"

"He's like that," said Walt. "You shouldn't worry about him. He'll

have built that condenser out of good stuff--the leads will be alloys

like those we use in the bigger tubes. They wouldn't fracture the

glass seals no matter what the temperature difference between them

and the glass was. Having that alloy around the place--up in the

tube-maintenance department they have a half ton of quarter-inch

rod--he'd use it naturally."

"Could be, Walt. Maybe I'm a worry wart."

"You're not used to working with his kind."

"I quote: 'Requiring a high voltage source of considerable current

capacity, I hit upon the scheme of making a super-high capacity

condenser and discharging it through my no-arc alloy. To do this it

was necessary that I invent a dielectric material of C equals thirteen

times ten to the sixth.' Unquote."

"Wes is a pure scientist," reminded Walt. "If he were investigating

the electrical properties of zinc, and required solar power magnitudes

to complete his investigation, he'd invent it and then include it as

incidental to the investigation on zinc. He's never really understood

our recent divergence in purpose over the power tube. That we should

make it soak up power from Sol was incidental and useful only as a

lever or means to make Terran Electric give us our way. He'd have

forgotten it, I'll bet, since it was not the ultimate goal of the

investigation."

"He knows his stuff, though."

"Granted. Wes is brilliant. He is a physicist, though, and neither

engineer nor inventor. I doubt that he is really interested in the

practical aspects of anything that is not directly concerned with his

eating and sleeping."

"What are we going to do about him?"

"Absolutely nothing. You aren't like him--"

"I hope not."

"And conversely, why should we try to make him like you?"

"That I'm against!" chimed in a new voice. Arden Channing took each man

by the arm and looked up on either side of her, into one face and then

the other. "No matter how, why, when, who, or what, one like him is all

that the solar system can stand."

"Walt and I are pretty much alike."

"Uh-huh. You are. That's as it should be. You balance one another

nicely. You couldn't use another like you. You're speaking of Wes

Farrell?"

"Right."

"Leave him alone," said Arden sagely. "He's good as he is. To make him

similar to you would be to spoil a good man. He'd then be neither

fish, flesh, nor fowl. He doesn't think as you do, but instead proceeds

in a straight line from remote possibility to foregone conclusion.

Anything that gets needed en route is used, or gadgeteered and

forgotten. That's where you come in, fellows. Inspect his by-products.

They may be darned useful."

"O.K. Anybody care for a drink?"

"Yup. All of us," said Arden.

"Don, how did you rate such a good-looking wife?"

"I hired her," grinned Channing. "She used to make all my stenographic

mistakes, remember?"

"And gave up numerous small errors for one large one? Uh-huh. I recall.

Some luck."

"It was my charm."

"Baloney. Arden, tell the truth. Didn't he threaten you with something

terrible if you didn't marry him?"

"You tell him," grinned Channing. "I've got work to do."

* * * * *

Channing left the establishment known as Joe's and advertised as the

"Best bar in twenty-seven million miles, minimum," and made his way

toward his office slowly. He didn't reach it. Not right away. He

was intercepted by Charley Thomas who invited him to view a small

experiment. Channing smiled and said that he'd prefer to see an

experiment of any kind to going to his office, and followed Charley.

"You recall the gadget we use to get perfect tuning with the

alloy-selectivity transmitter?"

"You mean that variable alloy disk all bottled up and rotated with a

selsyn?" asked Don, wondering what came next. "Naturally I remember it.

Why?"

"Well, we've found that certain submicroscopic effects occur with inert

objects. What I mean is this: Given a chunk of cold steel of goodly

mass and tune your alloy disk to pure steel, and you can get a few

micro-microamperes output if the tube is pointed at the object."

"Sounds interesting. How much amplification do you need to get this

reading and how do you make it tick?"

"We run the amplifier up to the limit and then sweep the tube across

the object sought, and the output meter leaps skyward by just enough to

make us certain of our results. Watch!"

Charley set the tube in operation and checked it briefly. Then he took

Don's hand and put it on the handle that swung the tube on its gimbals.

"Sort of paint the wall with it," he said. "You'll see the deflection

as you pass the slab of tool steel that's standing there."

Channing did, and watched the minute flicker of the ultra-sensitive

meter. "Wonderful," he grinned, as the door opened and Franks entered.

"Hi, Don. Is it true that you bombarded her with flowers?"

"Nope. She's just building up some other woman's chances. Have you seen

this effect?"

"Yeah--it's wonderful, isn't it?"

"That's what I like about this place," said Charley with a huge

smile. "That's approximately seven micro-microamperes output after

amplification on the order of two hundred million times. We're either

working on something so small we can't see it or something so big we

can't count it. It's either fifteen decimal places to the left or to

the right. Every night when I go home, I say a little prayer. I say:

'Dear God, please let me find something today that is based upon unity,

or at least no more than two decimal places' but it is no good. If He

hears me at all, He's too busy to bother with things that the human

race classifies as 'One.'"

"How do you classify resistance, current, and voltage?" asked Channing,

manipulating the tube on its gimbals and watching the effect.

"One million volts across ten megohms equals one hundred thousand

microamperes. That's according to Ohm's Law."

"He's got the zero-madness too," chuckled Walt. "It obtains from

thinking in astronomical distances, with interplanetary coverages in

watts, and celestial input, and stuff like that. Don, this thing may be

handy, some day. I'd like to develop it."

"I suggest that couple of stages of tube-amplification might help.

Amplify it before transduction into electronic propagation."

"We can get four or five stages of sub-electronic amplification, I

think. It'll take some working."

"O.K., Charley. Cook ahead. We do not know whither we are heading, but

it looks darned interesting."

"Yeah," added Walt, "it's a darned rare scientific fact that can't be

used for something, somewhere. Well, Don, now what?"

"I guess we now progress to the office and run through a few reams of

paper-work. Then we may relax."

"O.K. Sounds good to me. Let's go."

* * * * *

Hellion Murdoch pointed to the luminous speck in the celestial globe.

His finger stabbed at the marker button, and a series of faint

concentric spheres marked the distance from the center of the globe to

the object, which Murdoch read and mentioned: "Twelve thousand miles."

"Asteroid?" asked Kingman.

"What else?" asked Murdoch. "We're lying next to the Asteroid Belt."

"What are you going to do?"

"Burn it," said Murdoch. His fingers danced upon the keyboard, and

high above him, in the dome of the _Black Widow_, a power intake

tube swiveled and pointed at Sol. Coupled to the output of the power

intake tube, a power-output tube turned to point at the asteroid. And

Murdoch's poised finger came down on the last switch, closing the final

circuit.

Meters leaped up across their scales as the intangible beam of solar

energy came silently in and went as silently out. It passed across

the intervening miles with the velocity of light squared, and hit the

asteroid. A second later the asteroid glowed and melted under the

terrific bombardment of solar energy directed in a tight beam.

"It's O.K.," said Hellion. "But have the gang build us three larger

tubes to be mounted turretwise. Then we can cope with society."

"What do you hope to gain by that? Surely piracy and grand larceny are

not profitable in the light of what we have and know."

"I intend to institute a reign of terror."

"You mean to go through with your plan?"

"I am a man of my word. I shall levy a tax against each and every ship

leaving any spaceport. We shall demand one dollar solarian for every

gross ton that lifts from any planet and reaches the planetary limit."

"How do you establish that limit?" asked Kingman interestedly.

"Ironically, we'll use the Channing Layer," said Murdoch with dark

humor. "Since the Channing Layer describes the boundary below which

our solar beam will not work. Our reign of terror will be identified

with Channing because of that; it will take some of the praise out

of people's minds when they think of Channing and Interplanetary

Communications."

"That's pretty deep psychology," said Kingman.

"You should recognize it," smiled Murdoch. "That's the kind of stuff

you legal lights pull. Mention the accused in the same sentence with

one of the honored people; mention the defendant in the same breath

with one of the hated people--it's the same stunt. Build them up or

tear them down by reference."

"You're pretty shrewd."

"I am," agreed Murdoch placidly.

* * * * *

"Mind telling me how you found yourself in the fix you're in?"

"Not at all. I've been interested for years in neuro-surgery. My

researches passed beyond the realm of rabbits and monkeys, and I found

it necessary to investigate the more delicate, more organized, the

higher-strung. That means human beings--though some of them are less

sensitive than a rabbit and less delicate than a monkey." Murdoch's

eyes took on a cynical expression at this. Then it passed and he

continued: "I became famous, as you know. Or do you?"

Kingman shook his head.

"I suppose not. I became famous in my own circle. Lesser neuro-surgeons

sent their complex cases to me; unless you were complex, you would

never hear of Allison Murdoch. Well anyway, some of them offered

exciting opportunities. I--frankly, experimented. Some of them died. It

was quite a bit of cut and try because not too much has been written

on the finer points of the nervous system. But there were too few

people who were complex enough to require my services, and I turned to

clinical work, and experimented freely."

"And there you made your mistake?"

"Do you know how?"

"No. I imagine that with many patients you exceeded your rights once

too often."

"Wrong. It is a funny factor in human relationship. Something that

makes no sense. When people were paying me three thousand dollars an

hour for operations, I could experiment without fear. Some died, some

regained their health under my ministrations. But when I experimented

on charity patients, I could not experiment because of the 'Protection'

given the poor. The masses were not to be guinea pigs. Ha!" laughed

Murdoch, "only the rich are permitted to be subjects of an experiment.

Touch not the poor, who offer nothing. Experiment upon those of

intellect, wealth, fame, or anything that sets them above the mob.

Yes, even genius came under my knife. But I couldn't give a poor man

a fifty-fifty chance at his life, when the chances of his life were

less than one in ten. From a brilliant man, operating under fifty-fifty

chances for life, I became an inhuman monster that cut without fear. I

was imprisoned, and later escaped with some friends."

"And that's when you stole the _Hippocrates_ and decided that the solar

system should pay you revenge-money?"

"I would have done better if I had not made that one mistake. I

forgot that in the years of imprisonment, I fell behind in scientific

knowledge. I know now that no one can establish anything at all

without technical minds behind him."

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