"My father would have church in dwelling houses and they had to whisper.

My mother was dead and I would go with him. Sometimes they would have

church at his house. That would be when they would want a real meetin'

with some real preachin'. It would have to be durin' the week nights.

You couldn't tell the difference between Baptists and Methodists then.

They was all Christians. I never saw them turn nobody down at the

communion, but I have heard of it. I never saw them turn no pots down

neither; but I have heard of that. They used to sing their songs in a

whisper and pray in a whisper. That was a prayer-meeting from house to

house once or twice--once or twice a week.

"Old Phipps whipped me once. He aimed to kill me but I got loose. He

whipped me about a colored girl of his'n that he had by a colored woman.

Phipps went with a colored woman before he married his wife. He had a

girl named Martha Ann Phipps. I beat Martha 'bout a pair of stockings.

My mistress bought me a nice pair of stockings from the store. You see,

they used to knit the stockings. I wore the stockings once; then I

washed them and put them on the fence to dry. Martha stole them and put

them on. I beat her and took them off of her. She ran and told her

father and he ran me home. He couldn't catch me, and he told me he'd get

me. I didn't run to my father. I run to my mistress, and he knew he'd

better not do nothin' then. He said, 'I'll get you, you little old black

some thin'.' Only he didn't say 'somethin'.' He didn't get me then.

"But one day he caught me out by his house. I had gone over that way on

an errand I needn't have done. He had two girls hold me. They was

Angeline and Nancy. They didn't much want to hold me anyhow. Some

niggers would catch you and kill you for the white folks and then there

was some that wouldn't. I got loose from them. He tried to hold me

hisself but he couldn't. I got away and went back to my old mistress and

she wrote him a note never to lay his dirty hands on me again. A little

later her brother, Johnson Chatman, came there and ran him off the

place. My old mistress' name was Susan Chatman before she married. Then

she married Toliver. Then she married Reed. She married Reed last--after

Toliver died.

"One old lady named Emily Moorehead runned in and held my mother once

for Phipps to whip her. And my mother was down with consumption too. I

aimed to git old Phipps for that. But then I got religion and I couldn't

do it. Religion makes you forgit a heap of things.

"Susan Reed, my old mistress, bought my father and paid fifteen hundred

dollars for him and she hadn't never seen 'im. Advertising. He had run

away so much that they had to advertise and sell 'im. He never would run

away from Miss Susan. She was good to him till she got that old nigger

beater Phipps. Her husband, Reed, was called a nigger spoiler. My father

was an old man when Phipps was on overseer and wasn't able to fight much

then.

"Phipps sure was a bad man. He wasn't so bad neither; but the niggers

was scared of him. You know in slave times, sometimes when a master

would git too bad, the niggers would kill him--tote him off out in the

woods somewheres and git rid of him. Two or three of them would git

together and scheme it out, and then two or three of them would git him

way out and kill 'im. But they didn't nobody ever pull nothin' like

that on Phipps. They was scared of him.

"One time I saw the Yankees a long way off. They had on blue uniforms

and was on coal black horses. I hollered out, 'Oh, I see somethin'.' My

mistress said, 'What?' I told her, and she said, 'Them's the Yankees.'

She went on in the house and I went with her. She sacked up all the

valuables in the house. She said, 'Here,' and she threw a sack of silver

on me that was so heavy that I went right on down to the ground. Then

she took hold of it and holp me up and holp me carry it out. I carried

it out and hid it. She had three buckskin sacks--all full of silver.

That wasn't now; that was in slavery times. During the War, Jeff Davis

gave out Confederate money. It died out on the folks' hands. About

twelve hundred dollars of it died out on my father's hands. But there

wasn't nothin' but gold and silver in them sacks.

"I heard them tell the slaves they were free. A man named Captain Barkus

who had his arm off at the elbow called for the three near-by

plantations to meet at our place. Then he got up on a platform with

another man beside him and declared peace and freedom. He p'inted to a

colored man and yelled, 'You're free as I am.' Old colored folks, old as

I am now, that was on sticks, throwed them sticks away and shouted.

"Right after freedom I stayed with that white woman I told you about. I

was with her about four years. I worked for twelve dollars a month and

my food and clothes. Then I figured that twelve dollars wasn't enough

and I went to work in the field. It was a mighty nice woman. Never hit

me in her life. I never have been whipped by a white woman. She was good

to me till she died. She died after I had my second child--a girl child.

"I have been living in this city fifteen years. I come from Chicot

County when I come here. We come to Arkansas in slavery times. They

brought me from Copiah County when I was six or eight years old. When

Mrs. Toliver married she came up here and brought my mother. My mother

belonged to her son and she said, 'Agnes (that was my mother's name),

will you follow me if I buy your husband?' Her husband's name was John

Beasley. She said, 'Yes.' Then her old mistress bought Beasley and paid

fifteen hundred dollars to get my mother to come with her. Then Peachy

went to war and was shot because he come home of a furlough and stayed

too long. So when he went back they killed him. My mother nursed him

when he was a baby. Old man Toliver said he didn't want none of us to be

sold; so they wasn't none of us sold. Maybe there would have been if

slavery had lasted longer; but there wasn't.

"Mother really belonged to Peachy, but when Peachy died, then she fell

to her mistress.

"I have been a widow now for thirty years. I washed and ironed and

plowed and hoed--everything. Now I am gittin' so I ain't able to do

nothin' and the Relief keeps me alive. I worked and took care of myself

and my last husband and he died, and I ain't married since. I used to

take a little boy and make ten bales of cotton. I can't do it now. I

used to be a woman in my day. I am my mother's seventh child.

"I don't buy no hoodoo and I don't believe in none, but a seventh child

can more or less tell you things that are a long way off. If you want to

beat the devil you got to do right. God's got to be in the plan. I tries

to do right. I am not perfect but I do the best I can. I ain't got no

bottom teeth, but my top ones are good. I have a few bottom ones. The

Lawd's keepin' me here for somepin. I been with 'im now seventy-three

years."

Interviewer's Comment

I'll bet the grandest moment in the life of Sister Alexander's mother

was when her mistress said, "Agnes, will you follow me if I buy your

husband?" Fifteen hundred dollars to buy a rebellious slave in order to

unite a slave couple. It's epic.

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Ed Allen, Des Arc, Ark.

Age: ?

"I know that after freedom they took care of my pa and ma and give em a

home long as they lived. Ma died wid young mistress here in Des Arc.

"The present generation is going to the bad. Have dealings wid em, not

good to you. Young folks ain't nice to you like they used to be.

"White boys and colored boys, whole crowd of us used to go in the river

down here all together, one got in danger help him out. They don't do it

no more. We used to play base ball together. All had a good time. We

never had to buy a ball or a bat. Always had em. The white boys bought

them. I don't know as who to blame but young folk changed."

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Lucindy Allison, Marked Tree, Arkansas

With children at Biscoe, Arkansas

Age: 61

"Ma was a slave in Arkansas. She said she helped grade a hill and help

pile up a road between Wicksburg and Wynne. They couldn't put the road

over the hill, so they put all the slaves about to grade it down. They

don't use the road but it's still there to show for itself.

"She was a tall rawbony woman. Ma was a Hillis and pa's name was Adam

Hillis. He learned to trap in slavery and after freedom he followed that

for a living. Ma was a sure 'nough field hand. Mama had three sets of

children. I don't know how many she did have in all. I had eleven my own

self. Grandma was named Tempy and I heard them tell about when she was

sold. She and mama went together. They used to whoop the slaves when

they didn't work up peart.

"When the 'Old War' come on and the Yankees come they took everything

and the black men folks too. They come by right often. They would drive

up at mealtime and come in and rake up every blessed thing was cooked.

Have to go work scrape about and find something else to eat. What they

keer 'bout you being white or black? Thing they was after was filling

theirselves up. They done white folks worse than that. They burned their

cribs and fences up and their houses too about if they got mad. Things

didn't suit them. If they wanted a colored man to go in camp with them

and he didn't go, they would shoot you down like a dog. Ma told about

some folks she knowd got shot in the yard of his own quarters.

"Us black folks don't want war. They are not war kind of folks. Slavery

wasn't right and that 'Old War' wasn't right neither.

"When my children was all little I kept Aunt Mandy Buford till she died.

She was a old slave woman. Me and my husband and the biggest children

worked in the field. She would sit about and smoke. My boys made cob

pipes and cut cane j'ints for 'er to draw through. Red cob pipes was the

prettiest. Aunt Mandy said her master would be telling them what to do

in the field and he say to her, 'I talking to you too.' She worked right

among the men at the same kind of work. She was tall but not large. She

carried children on her right hip when she was so young she dragged that

foot when she walked. The reason she had to go with the men to the field

like she did was 'cause she wasn't no multiplying woman. She never had a

chile in all her lifetime. She said her mother nearly got in bad one

time when her sister was carrying a baby. She didn't keep up. Said the

riding boss got down, dug a hole with the hoe to lay her in it 'cause

she was so big in front. Her mother told him if he put her daughter

there in that hole she'd cop him up in pieces wid her hoe. He found he

had two to conquer and he let her be. But he had to leave 'cause he

couldn't whoop the niggers.

"If I could think of all she tole I'd soon have enough to fill up that

book you're getting up. I can't recollect who she belong to, and her old

talk comes back to me now and then. She talked so much we'd get up and

go on off to keep from hearing her tell things over so many times.

"Folks like me what got children think the way they do is all right. I

don't like some of my children's ways but none of us perfect. I tells

'em right far as I knows. Times what makes folks no 'count. Times gets

stiff around Biscoe. Heap of folks has plenty. Some don't have much--not

enough. Some don't have nothing.

"I don't believe in women voting. That ruined the country. We got along

very well till they got to tinkering with the government."

Name of Interviewer: Pernella Anderson

Subject: Early Days in Caledonia--Early days in El Dorado

Name: Josephine Ames

Occupation: Domestic

Resident: Fordville

Age: not given.

[TR: Information moved from bottom of first page.]

Ah wuz bo'n de first year niggers wuz free. Wuz born in Caledonia at de

Primm place. Mah ma belonged tuh George Thompson. After mah ma died ah

stayed wid de Wommacks, a while. Aftuh dat mah pa taken me home. Pa's

name wuz Jesse Flueur. Ah worked lak er slave. Ah cut wood, sawed logs,

picked 400 pounds uv cotton evah day. Ah speck ah married de first time

ah wuz about fo'teen years ole. Ah been mahrid three times. All mah

husband's is daid. Ole man England and ole man Cullens run business

places and ole man Wooley. His name wuz reason Wooley. De Woolies got

cemetery uv dey own right dar near de Cobb place. No body is buried in

dar but de fambly uv Wooleys. Ole man Allen Hale, he run er store dar

too. He is yet livin right dar. He is real ole. De ole Warren Mitchell

place whar ah use tuh live is Guvment land. Warren Mitchell, he

homesteaded the place. We lived dar and made good crops. De purtiest dar

wuz eround, but not hit's growed up. Don lived dar and made good crops.

De purtiest dar wuz eround. Dar is whah all mah chillun wuz bo'n. Ah use

tuh take mah baby an walk tuh El Dorado to sevice. Ah use tuh come tuh

El Dorado wid a oman by de name of Sue Foster. Nothin but woods when dey

laid de railroad heah. Dey built dem widh horses and axes. Ah saw em

when dey whoop de hosses and oxen till dey fall out working dem when dey

laid dat steel. Ah wuz at de first buryin uv de fust pussen buried in

Caledonia graveyard. Huh name wuz Joe Ann Polk. We set up wid huh all

night and sing and pray. An when we got nearly tuh de church de bells

started tolling and de folks started tuh singin. When evah any body died

dey ring bells tuh let yo know some body wuz daid. A wuz born on

Christmas day, an ah had two chilluns born on Christmas Day. Dey wuz

twins and one uv em had two teeth and his hair hung down on her

shoulders when hit wuz born but hit did not live but er wek.

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Charles Anderson. Helena, Arkansas

Age: 77 or 78, not sure

"I was born in Bloomfield, Kentucky. My parents had the same owners.

Mary and Elgin Anderson was their names. They was owned by Isaac Stone.

Davis Stone was their son. They belong to the Stones as far back as they

could remember. Mama was darker than I am. My father was brighter than I

am. He likely had a white father. I never inquired. Mama had colored

parents. Master Stone walked with a big crooked stick. He nor his son

never went to war. Masters in that country never went. Two soldiers were

drafted off our place. I saw the soldiers, plenty of them and plenty

times. There never was no serious happenings.

"The Federal soldiers would come by, sleep in the yard, take our best

horses and leave the broken down ones. Very little money was handled. I

never seen much. Master Stone would give us money like he give money to

Davis. They prized fine stock mostly. They needed money at wheat harvest

time only. When a celebration or circus come through he give us all

twenty-five or thirty cents and told us to go. There wasn't many slaves

up there like down in this country. The owners from all I've heard was

crueler and sold them off oftener here.

"Weaving was a thing the women prided in doing--being a fast weaver or a

fine hand at weaving. They wove pretty coverlets for the beds. I see

colored spreads now makes me think about my baby days in Kentucky.

"Freedom was something mysterious. Colored folks didn't talk it. White

folks didn't talk it. The first I realized something different, Master

Stone was going to whip a older brother. He told mama something I was

too small to know. She said, 'Don't leave this year, son. I'm going to

leave.' Master didn't whip him.

"Master Stone's cousin kept house for him. I remember her well. They

were all very nice to us always. He had a large farm. He had twenty

servants in his yard. We all lived there close together. My sister and

mama cooked. We had plenty to eat. We had beef in spring and summer.

Mutton and kid on special occasions. We had hog in the fall and winter.

We had geese, ducks, and chickens. We had them when we needed them. We

had a field garden. He raised corn, wheat, oats, rye, and tobacco.

"Once a year we got dressed up. We got shirts, a suit, pants and shoes,

and what else we needed to wear. Then he told them to take care of their

clothes. They got plenty to do a year. We didn't have fine clothes no

time. We didn't eat ham and chicken. I never seen biscuit--only

sometimes.

"I seen a woman sold. They had on her a short dress, no sleeves, so they

could see her muscles, I reckon. They would buy them and put them with

good healthy men to raise young slaves. I heard that. I was very small

when I seen that young woman sold and years later I heard that was what

was done.

"I don't know when freedom came on. I never did know. We was five or six

years breaking up. Master Stone never forced any of us to leave. He give

some of them a horse when they left. I cried a year to go back. It was a

dear place to me and the memories linger with me every day.

"There was no secret society or order of Ku Klux in reach of us as I

ever heard.

"I voted Republican ticket. We would go to Jackson to vote. There would

be a crowd. The last I voted was for Theodore Roosevelt. I voted here in

Helena for years. I was on the petit jury for several years here in

Helena.

"I farmed in your state some (Arkansas). I farmed all my young life. I

been in Arkansas sixty years. I come here February 1879 with distant

relatives. They come south. When I come to Helena there was but one set

of mechanics. I started to work. I learned to paint and hang wall paper.

I've worked in nearly every house in Helena.

"The present times are gloomy. I tried to prepare for old age. I had a

apartment house and lost it. I owned a home and lost it. They foreclosed

me out.

"The present generation is not doing as well as I have.

"My health knocked me out. My limbs swell, they are stiff. I have a bad

bladder trouble.

"I asked for help but never have got none. If I could got a little

relief I never would lost my house. They work my wife to death keeping

us from starving. She sewed till they cut off all but white ladies. When

she got sixty-five they let her go and she got a little job cooking.

They never give us no relief."

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Nancy Anderson

Street H, West Memphis, Arkansas

Age: 66

"I was born at Sanitobia, Mississippi. Mother died when I was a child. I

was three months old, they said, when I lost her. Father lived to be

very old. My mother was Ella Geeter and my stepmother was Lucy Evans. My

father's name was Si Hubbard. My parents married after the War. I

remembers Grandma Harriett Hubbard. She said she was sold. She was a

cook and she raised my papa up with white folks. Her children was sold

with her. Papa was sold too at the same time. Papa fired a steam gin.

They ground corn and ginned cotton.

"I stayed with Sam Hall's family. She was good to me. I had a small bed

by the fireplace. She kept me with two of her own children. Some of the

girls and boys I was raised up with live at Sanitobia now and have fine

homes. When we would be playing they would take all the toys from me.

Miss Fannie would say, 'Poor Nancy ain't got no toys.' Then they would

put them on the floor and we would all play. They had a little table. We

all eat at it. We had our own plates. We all eat out of tin plates and

had tin cups.

"They couldn't keep me at home when papa married. I slipped off across

the pasture. There was cows and hogs in there all the time. I wasn't

afraid of them. I would get behind Miss Fannie and hide in her dress

tail when they come after me. They let me stay most of the time for

about five years. Sam Hall was good to my father and Miss Fannie about

raised me after my mother died. She made me mind but she was good to me.

"Grandma lived with papa. She was part Indian. As long as papa lived he

share cropped and ginned. He worked as long as he was able to hit a

lick. He died four miles east out from Sanitobia on Mr. Hayshaws place.

What I told you is what I know. He said he was sold that one time.

Hubbards had plenty to eat and wear. He was a boy and they didn't want

to stunt the children. Papa was a water boy and filed the hoes for the

chopping hands. He carried a file along with them hoeing and would

sharpen their hoes and fetch 'em water in their jugs. Aunt Sallie, his

sister, took keer of the children.

"Papa went to the War. He could blow his bugle and give all the war

signals. He got the military training. Him and his friend Charlie Grim

used to step around and show us how they had to march to orders. His

bugle had four joints. I don't know what went with it. From what they

said they didn't like the War and was so glad to get home.

"Between the big farms they had worm fences (rail fences) and gates. You

had to get a pass from your master to go visiting. The gates had big

chains and locks on them. Some places was tollgates where they traveled

over some man's land to town. On them roads the man owned the place

charged. He kept some boy to open and shut the gate. They said the gates

was tall.

"Some of the slaves that had hard masters run off and stay in the woods.

They had nigger dogs and would run them--catch 'em. He said one man

(Negro) was hollowing down back of the worm fence close to where they

was working. They all run to him. A great long coachwhip snake was

wrapped 'round him, his arms and all, and whooping him with its tail. It

cut gashes like a knife and the blood poured. The overseer cut the

snake's head off with his big knife and they carried him home bleeding.

His master didn't whoop him, said he had no business off in the woods.

He had run off. His master rubbed salt in the gashes. It nearly killed

him. It burnt him so bad. That stopped the blood. They said sut (soot)

would stopped the blood but it would left black mark. The salt left

white marks on him. The salt helped kill the pison (poison). Some

masters and overseers was cruel. When they was so bad marked they didn't

bring a good price. They thought they was hard to handle.

"Aunt Jane Peterson, old friend of mine, come to visit me nearly every

year after she got so old. She told me things took place in slavery

times. She was in Virginia till after freedom. She had two girls and a

boy with a white daddy. She told me all about how that come. She said no

chance to run off or ever get off, you had to stay and take what come.

She never got to marry till after freedom. Then she had three more black

children by her husband. She said she was the cook. Old master say,

'Jane, go to the lot and get the eggs.' She was scared to go and scared

not to go. He'd beat her out there, put her head between the slip gap

where they let the hogs into the pasture from the lot down back of the

barn. She say, 'Old missis whip me. This ain't right.' He'd laugh. Said

she bore three of his children in a room in the same house his family

lived in. She lived in the same house. She had a room so as she could

build fires and cook breakfast by four o'clock sometimes, she said. She

was so glad freedom come on and soon as she heard it she took her

children and was gone, she said. She had no use for him. She was scared

to death of him. She learned to pray and prayed for freedom. She died in

Cold Water, Mississippi. She was so glad freedom come on before her

children come on old enough to sell. Part white children sold for more

than black children. They used them for house girls.

"I don't know Ku Klux stories enough to tell one. These old tales leave

my mind. I'm 66 and all that was before my time.

"Times is strange--hard, too. But the way I have heard they had to work

and do and go I hardly ever do grumble. I've heard so much. I got

children and I do the best I can by them. That is all I can do or say."

Interviewer: Samuel S. Taylor

Person interviewed: R.B. Anderson

Route 4, Box 68 (near Granite)

Little Rock, Arkansas

Age: 75

[HW: The Brooks-Baxter War]

"I was born in Little Rock along about Seventeenth and Arch Streets.

There was a big plantation there then. Dr. Wright owned the plantation.

He owned my mother and father. My father and mother told me that I was

born in 1862. They didn't know the date exactly, so I put it the last

day in the year and call it December 30, 1862.

"My father's name was William Anderson. He didn't go to the War because

he was blind. He was ignorant too. He was colored. He was a pretty good

old man when he died.

"My mother's name was Minerva Anderson. She was three-fourths Indian,

hair way down to her waist. I was in Hot Springs blacking boots when my

mother died. I was only about eight or ten years old then. I always

regretted I wasn't able to do anything for my mother before she died. I

don't know to what tribe her people belonged.

"Dr. Wright was awful good to his slaves.

"I don't know just how freedom came to my folks. I never heard my father

say. They were set free, I know. They were set free when the War ended.

They never bought their freedom.

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