I smoked hard for a minute.

"Well, Lawson, it's like this, my scheme could only be a success if the

economic basis of society were altered. So long as one million people

take half the national yearly income you can't have any decent scheme of

education."

"Right O!" said Lawson cheerfully, "for the sake of argument, or rather

peace, we'll give you a Utopia where there are no idle rich. Fire away!"

"Good! I'll talk about the present day education first.

"Twenty years ago education had one aim--to abolish illiteracy. In

consequence the Three R.'s were of supreme importance. Nowadays they are

held to be quite as important, but a dozen other things have been

placed beside them on the pedestal. Gradually education has come to aim

at turning out a man or a woman capable of earning a living. Cookery,

Woodwork, Typing, Bookkeeping, Shorthand ... all these were introduced

so that we should have better wives and joiners and clerks.

"Lawson, I would chuck the whole blamed lot out of the elementary

school. I don't want children to be trained to make pea-soup and picture

frames, I want them to be trained to think. I would cut out History and

Geography as subjects."

"Eh?" said Lawson.

"They'd come in incidentally. For instance, I could teach for a week on

the text of a newspaper report of a fire in New York."

"The fire would light up the whole world, so to speak," said Lawson with

a smile.

"Under the present system the teacher never gets under way. He is just

getting to the interesting part of his subject when Maggie Brown ups and

says, 'Please, sir, it's Cookery now.' The chap who makes a religion of

his teaching says 'Damn!' very forcibly, and the girls troop out.

"I would keep Composition and Reading and Arithmetic in the curriculum.

Drill and Music would come into the play hours, and Sketching would be

an outside hobby for warm days."

"Where would you bring in the technical subjects?"

"Each school would have a workshop where boys could repair their bikes

or make kites and arrows, but there would not be any formal instruction

in woodwork or engineering. Technical education would begin at the age

of sixteen."

"Six what?"

"Sixteen. You see my pupils are to stay at school till they are twenty.

You are providing the cash you know. Well, at sixteen the child would be

allowed to select any subject he liked. Suppose he is keen on mechanics.

He spends a good part of the day in the engineering shop and the drawing

room--mechanical drawing I mean. But the thinking side of his education

is still going on. He is studying political economy, eugenics,

evolution, philosophy. By the time he is eighteen he has read Nietzsche,

Ibsen, Bjornson, Shaw, Galsworthy, Wells, Strindberg, Tolstoi, that is

if ideas appeal to him."

"Ah!"

"Of course, I don't say that one man in a hundred will read Ibsen. You

will always have the majority who are averse to thinking if they can get

out of it. These will be good mechanics and typists and joiners in many

cases. My point is that every boy or girl has the chance to absorb ideas

during their teens."

"Would you make it compulsory? For instance, that boy Willie Smith in

your school; do you think that he would learn much more if he had to

stay at school till he was twenty?"

"No," I said, "I wouldn't force anyone to stay at school, but to-day

boys quite as stupid naturally as Smith stay at the university and love

it. A few years' rubbing shoulders with other men is bound to make a man

more alert. Take away, as you have done for argument's sake, the

necessity of a boy's leaving school at fourteen to earn a living and you

simply make every school a university."

"And it isn't three weeks since I heard you curse universities!" said

Lawson with a grin.

"I'm thinking of the social side of a university," I explained. "That

is good. The educational side of our universities is bad because it is

mostly cram. I crammed Botany and Zoo for my degree and I know nothing

about either; I was too busy trying to remember words like

Caryophylacia, or whatever it is, to ask why flowers droop their heads

at night. So in English I had to cram up what Hazlitt and Coleridge said

about Shakespeare when I should have been reading _Othello_. The

university fails because it refuses to connect education with

contemporary life. You go there and you learn a lot of rot about

syllogisms and pentameters, and nothing is done to explain to you the

meaning of the life in the streets outside. No wonder that Oxford and

Cambridge dons write to the papers saying that life has no opening for a

university man."

"But I thought that you didn't want education to produce a practical

man. You wanted a theoretical chimney-sweep, didn't you?" said Lawson

smiling.

"The present university turns out men who are neither practical nor

theoretical. I want a university that will turn out thinkers. The men

who have done most to stimulate thought these past few years are men

like Wells and Shaw and Chesterton; and I don't think that one of them

is a 'varsity man.'"

"You can't run a world on thought," said he.

"I don't know," I said, "we seem to run this old State of ours _without_

thought. The truth is that there will always be more workers than

thinkers. While one chap is planning a new heaven on earth, the other

ninety-nine are working hard at motors and benches.

"H. G. Wells is always asking for better technical schools, more

research, more invention. All these are absolutely necessary, but I want

more than that; along with science and art I want the thinking part of

education to go on."

"It goes on now."

"No," I said, "it doesn't. Your so-called educated man is often a stupid

fellow. Doctors have a good specialist education, yet I know a score of

doctors who think that Socialism means 'The Great Divide.' When

Osteopathy came over from America a few years ago thousands of medical

men pronounced it 'damned quackery' at once; only a few were wide

enough to study the thing to see what it was worth. So with inoculation;

the doctors follow the antitoxin authority like sheep. At the university

I once saw a raid on an Anti-Vivisection shop, and I'm sure that not one

medical student in the crowd had ever thought about vivisection. Mention

Women's Freedom to the average lawyer, and he will think you a madman.

"Don't you see what I am driving at? I want first-class doctors and

engineers and chemists, but I want them to think also, to think about

things outside their immediate interests. This is the age of the

specialist. That's what's wrong with it. Somebody, Matthew Arnold, I

think, wanted a man who knew everything of something and something of

everything. It's a jolly good definition of education."

"That is the idea of the Scotch Code," said Lawson.

"Yes, perhaps it is. They want our bairns to learn tons of somethings

about everything that doesn't matter a damn in life."

* * *

My talk with Lawson last night makes me realise again how hopeless it is

to plan a system of education when the economic system is all out of

joint. I believe that this nation has the wealth to educate its children

properly. I wonder what the Conscriptionists would say if I hinted to

them that if a State can afford to take its youth away from industry to

do unprofitable labour in the army and navy it can afford to educate its

youth till the age of twenty is reached.

The stuff we teach in school leads nowhere; the Code subjects simply

lull a child to sleep. How the devil is a lad to build a Utopia on

Geography and Nature Study and Woodwork? Education should prove that the

world is out of joint, and it should point a Kitchener finger at each

child and say, "Your Country Needs _You_ ... to set it Right."

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