Mr. GREGORY. Yes, and he said----

Mr. GOPADZE. That it takes official process of getting the answer.

*Mrs. OSWALD. He said, "You are not the only one who is seeking exit

permit, and so you have to wait your turn."

Senator COOPER. Did he attempt to discourage you from seeking the exit

visa?

Mrs. OSWALD. No.

Senator COOPER. Did Lee Oswald ever express any opinion to you as to

why he thought an exit visa might be granted to you and your daughter?

*Mrs. OSWALD. He encouraged me and he thought that I would consider

that he exerted every effort on his part for me to get this exit. Maybe

he just was saying that that way, but never hoped that actually I would

get the exit permit.

Senator COOPER. During that time or at any other time, did Lee ever

say to you that he might do some work for the Soviet Union if you did

return to the United States?*

*Mrs. OSWALD. He did not.

Senator COOPER. I would like to turn to your testimony about your

knowledge of the rifle that Lee possessed. Now, as I remember your

testimony, you stated that you first learned that he had the rifle

early in 1963.*

*Mrs. OSWALD. In the year that he bought it, I learned it.

Senator COOPER. You had seen him clean it, you had watched him sight

the rifle in New Orleans and work the bolt?* **

Mr. GREGORY. In New Orleans?

Senator COOPER. Yes; in your testimony, you said you saw him sitting on

the little back porch----

Mrs. OSWALD. On the little back porch--yes.

Senator COOPER. And sight the rifle?

*Mrs. OSWALD. I'm sorry, I might be mixed up.

Senator COOPER. When you testified that you believed he did some target

practice at least a few times?

*Mrs. OSWALD. In Dallas or New Orleans?* **

*Yes; when we lived on Neely Street.

Senator COOPER. He told you that he had used this rifle to fire at

General Walker?*

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

Senator COOPER. He told you he had threatened Vice President Nixon, you

had said?*

*Mrs. OSWALD. He did not say "Vice President Nixon," he just said

"Nixon."

Senator COOPER. Now, was it your opinion throughout these months that

he was keeping this rifle for his purpose of using it again, firing at

some individual, perhaps an official of the United States Government?*

**

Mrs. OSWALD. **He never expressed himself.

*When the assassination of President Kennedy took place, I was asking

people whether--people in general--whether General Walker was with

President Kennedy. It perhaps was a silly question, but I thought that

he----

Senator COOPER. Listen to my question: During this time, didn't you

have the opinion that he was keeping possession of this rifle and

practicing with it for the purpose of using it to shoot at some

individual, and perhaps an official of the United States Government?*

*Mrs. OSWALD. I never thought--I was afraid to think that he would do

anything like that until the shooting of General Walker occurred.

Senator COOPER. But now my question. After that--the continued

possession----* **

**Mrs. OSWALD. After the attempting of the killing of General Walker,

I thought he might do it, but I didn't visualize that he could do

anything like that.

Senator COOPER. When you testified before the Commission, you

said--generally--you didn't think Lee would repeat anything like

that--"Generally, I knew that the rifle was very tempting for him".

"Very tempting for him"--what did you mean by that, about the rifle

being very tempting for him? Did you believe he might be tempted to

shoot at someone else?*

*Mrs. OSWALD. Yes; I was afraid that he did have temptation to kill

someone else.

Senator COOPER. Mrs. Oswald, you testified that when you talked to Lee

after he had shot at General Walker, or told you he had shot at General

Walker, he said that it would have been well if someone had killed

Hitler because many lives would be saved, is that correct?

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

Senator COOPER. After that, you testified that many times or a number

of times he read you articles about President Kennedy?

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

Senator COOPER. And said at one time, discussing President Kennedy's

father, that he had made his money through wine and he had a great deal

of money, and that enabled him to educate his sons and to give them a

start.

I want you to remember and tell the Commission if he did ever express

any hatred or dislike for President Kennedy. You have several

times--not changed--but you have told the Commission things you did not

tell them when first asked.

Now, if he did speak to you about President Kennedy, we think you

should tell the Commission?*

*Mrs. OSWALD. I don't think he ever expressed hatred toward President

Kennedy, but perhaps he expressed jealousy, not only jealousy, but

envy, but perhaps he envied, because he said, "Whoever has money has it

easy." That was his general attitude. It was not a direct quotation.

Representative BOGGS. Pursuing this--I asked you that very question

in Washington back in February, and the answer was "No." I asked you

whether or not your husband ever expressed hostility toward President

Kennedy--is your answer still "No"?*

*Mrs. OSWALD. My answer is "No."

**He never expressed himself anything against President Kennedy,

anything detrimental toward him. What I told them generally before, I

am repeating now too.

Representative BOGGS. Did he ever indicate to you, except in the Walker

situation where he said he'd shot at General Walker, that he would kill

anyone?*

*Mrs. OSWALD. No.

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