Mr. JENNER. That is shown on Exhibit 1006?
Mr. SURREY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And in the case of Exhibit No. 1006, that photograph
represents the present condition of that casement and that window and
that screen, as well as it was when you saw it on the evening of April
10, 1963? Insofar as the breach is concerned?
Mr. SURREY. Yes; I seem to recall more cobwebbing effect than it shows
in the photograph.
Mr. JENNER. Exhibit No. 1008 purports to be a room in General Walker's
home, and a wall with a bullet hole shown in it.
Mr. SURREY. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recognize that room?
Mr. SURREY. Yes; I do.
Mr. JENNER. And is that a picture of one of the rooms in General
Walker's home?
Mr. SURREY. Yes; it is.
Mr. JENNER. Where is it with respect to the room shown in Commission
Exhibit No. 1007?
Mr. SURREY. It is the same room.
Mr. JENNER. The same room?
Mr. SURREY. Yes; all this material has been turned around, from that
night.
Mr. JENNER. You are referring in your last comment to Commission
Exhibit No. 1007, some pamphlet materials you see shown in that
photograph?
Mr. SURREY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Now, turning your attention to Commission Exhibit No. 1008,
does the wall that is shown on that exhibit face the casement window
shown on Exhibit No. 1007, or is that the reverse side?
Mr. SURREY. It is the other wall, the other side of the room from the
window.
Mr. JENNER. Is that the wall in which the bullet entered, or the wall,
the side of the wall from which the bullet exited?
Mr. SURREY. That is the side of the wall that it entered.
Mr. JENNER. All right. Then I show you Commission Exhibit No. 1009.
Mr. SURREY. Yes; this is the next room now where the bullet exited.
Mr. JENNER. Now, taking Exhibits Nos. 1008 and 1009, am I correct,
sir, that Exhibit No. 1008 shows the wall on the entry side of the
bullet, and Exhibit No. 1009 is the reverse side of the wall shown on
Commission Exhibit No. 1008?
Mr. SURREY. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. In other words, the side of the wall that the bullet exited?
Mr. SURREY. That is correct.
Now, this picture was taken at the time, or soon thereafter, because
this material was in this position.
(At this point, Senator Cooper withdrew from the hearing room.)
Mr. JENNER. All right, sir.
You are able to say, from your familiarity with the condition of
matters on the evening of April 10, 1963, that both Commission
exhibits----
Mr. SURREY. No; that one I don't know.
Mr. JENNER. That Commission Exhibit No. 1009 depicts the condition of
that room, which is the room to the reverse side of Commission Exhibit
No. 1008, as it was the evening of April 10, 1963.
Mr. SURREY. Substantially the same; yes.
Mr. JENNER. And even including the boxes and packages of material?
Mr. SURREY. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. You will notice in substantially the center of that exhibit
a rupture appears to be in the wall. Was that in fact a rupture?
Mr. SURREY. Yes; it was. That is where the bullet came out of the wall,
and when the police came they found the bullet on top of these packages.
Mr. JENNER. On top of the packages shown on Commission Exhibit No.
1009. I show you Exhibit No. 1011, which appears to be a photograph of
a fence, lattice fence. Are you familiar with that?
Mr. SURREY. I believe it is the same type of thing as is in back of
Walker's home, in the alleyway.
Mr. JENNER. Is it not in fact a picture of the fence that is--surrounds
to the rear General Walker's home?
Mr. SURREY. I don't know. It is the same type, it looks the same.
Mr. JENNER. It looks the same to you?
Mr. SURREY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. When you made your diagram, Exhibit No. 1005, you drew a
wavy line along the alley, and I think you said that was a lattice
fence.
Mr. SURREY. Yes; I drew it too far. This is Jackson's back yard.
Mr. JENNER. Well, that is all right. The lattice fence you
identified----
Mr. SURREY. Is of the same type and construction.
Mr. JENNER. As shown on Exhibit No. 1011?
Mr. SURREY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. All right, sir. Thank you. Is the area depicted on
Commission Exhibit No. 1012 familiar to you?
Mr. SURREY. It looks like a picture taken from the top of that lattice
fence towards the back of Walker's home.
Mr. JENNER. Next is Commission Exhibit No. 1010, which is a photograph
of a tire imprint. On the evening of April 10 or the next day, April
11, when it was light, did you tour around General Walker's home with
him or without him? There was a search made to see----
Mr. SURREY. Yes; there was.
Mr. JENNER. To find some identification in the way of automobile tire
impressions?
Mr. SURREY. It is my impression that the police were looking primarily
for a casing from a shell. I did not see them take any----
Mr. JENNER. So that the particular portion of the Walker vicinity shown
on Commission Exhibit No. 1010 is not familiar to you?
Mr. SURREY. I wouldn't know where it was in the area.
Mr. JENNER. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Those have all been formally introduced, Mr. Jenner?
Mr. JENNER. No; they have not, Mr. Chief Justice. If it suits your
convenience I was going to offer all exhibits at once, so I don't
overlook any.
The CHAIRMAN. Yes; very well.
Mr. JENNER. Thank you. Some of the exhibits the witness has identified
have already been introduced. They were exhibited to Marina Oswald.
The CHAIRMAN. Yes; I recall.
Mr. JENNER. Would you help us, also--I hand you a map of Dallas, which
we will mark Commission Exhibit No. 1013--or I should correct myself--I
hand you what purports to be a map of Dallas.
There is indicated by brush pencil a cross in the center of that map as
representing the area of the residence of Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker,
resigned, at 4011 Turtle Creek Boulevard in Dallas.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 1013 for
identification.)
Mr. SURREY. Yes; that is correct. That is the area.
Mr. JENNER. That is a scale map of Dallas that appears to have been
obtained from the Dallas Transit Co. in Dallas, Tex.
Mr. SURREY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Now, you received a telephone call from General Walker?
Mr. SURREY. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. The evening of April 10. It was about 9 o'clock? Please try
to fix that time as accurately as you can.
Mr. SURREY. I would say it was closer to 9:15.
Mr. JENNER. And you arrived 15 minutes later?
Mr. SURREY. 10 to 15 minutes later.
Mr. JENNER. Now, would you very carefully, calling on your most
accurate recollection, recite for us--you came to the door, you
entered, what did you see, who was there, and what was said to you by
anyone, if anyone was there--just the course of events as best you are
able to recall them that evening. And I will try not to interrupt you.
Mr. SURREY. When I pulled--I pulled up in front on Turtle Creek, got
out of my car. A police car was there.
Mr. JENNER. Was there anything in addition to a police car?
Mr. SURREY. No.
Mr. JENNER. You pulled your car up on Turtle Creek Boulevard?
Mr. SURREY. Behind the police car.
Mr. JENNER. Would you be good enough, when you refer to Turtle Creek
Boulevard, to say boulevard, because we have talked about Turtle Creek,
a stream.
Mr. SURREY. Turtle Creek Boulevard.
Mr. JENNER. There was one squad car there at that time?
Mr. SURREY. Yes; just as I was getting out of the car, another squad
car came up.
Mr. JENNER. Turning to your plat, would you put an "X" with a circle
where you drove up? The witness has now done that. All right. Now, you
are on Turtle Creek Boulevard. Then what did you do? You parked?
Mr. SURREY. I parked and got out of my automobile, and walked up the
front walkway into the house.
Mr. JENNER. I see. All right.
Mr. SURREY. There were several policemen in the house, just arriving.
Mr. Walker was sitting at his desk in this back room.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Now it will be helpful to the Commission--let's take this blank sheet
of paper--you draw us a floor plan, will you please, of General
Walker's home, and we will mark that Commission Exhibit No. 1014, so as
to assist you in telling us what you did.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 1014 for
identification.)
Mr. SURREY. This is the ground floor.
Mr. JENNER. All right. Now, first let's locate the house. It is a
rectangle that you have drawn. Is the rectangle facing the same as the
rectangle marked "Walker" on Commission Exhibit No. 1005?
Mr. SURREY. Yes; it is.
Mr. JENNER. So that the lower portion is east?
Mr. SURREY. Do we need these directions exactly, because that Turtle
Creek Boulevard winds all around.
Mr. JENNER. All I want to do is tie it up with Commission Exhibit No.
1005.
Mr. SURREY. Yes; it is the same direction.
Mr. JENNER. Realizing that you have that problem of obliqueness,
but relating it solely to Commission Exhibit No. 1005, the foot of
Commission Exhibit No. 1014 represents an easterly direction, correct?
Mr. SURREY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And the top a westerly direction. And the right, northerly,
and the left, southerly. All right. Now, we have it located.
Which is the doorway into General Walker's home?