He says, "He doesn't want but one lawyer, John Abt, in New York."

Mr. RANKIN. Who is he?

Mr. WADE. He is an attorney in New York.

Mr. RANKIN. You said he didn't want any attorney?

Mr. WADE. Lee Harvey Oswald told Nichols and Nichols told me this. He

said that. Nichols then said he told him, along with the police they

would try to get ahold of Mr. Abt, which they did. I think, I think

maybe the press found him before the lawyers found him. But he says

something that he didn't have time or something, as I understand it.

This was all reported in the press. He had said the second person he

wanted, Lee Harvey Oswald told Nichols the second person he wanted, was

some lawyer out in Chicago with the American Civil Liberties Union, his

name I don't know what it was, but Nichols would know.

He said, "If I can't get either one of those I will help get a local

lawyer," because that was all done Saturday, with reference to his

obtaining a lawyer.

I wanted to get that because I think you probably knew it and get it in

the record anyhow.

Mr. RANKIN. Now going back to this telephone conversation with Mr. Carr

that you referred to, do you remember anything else that Mr. Carr said

to you at that time?

Mr. WADE. I don't actually even remember, you know, he said that he had

had a call from Washington, I don't actually remember anything about

that. I remember he said that about this charge that this is going.

"This would be a bad situation, if you allege it as part of a Russian,

the Russian conspiracy, and it may affect your international relations,

a lot of things, of the country," and I said it was silly because I

don't know where the rumor started but I will see even if it was so we

could prove it, I wouldn't allege it. Isn't that about it, the way you

recall it, Mr. Carr?

Senator COOPER. We will call him in a minute.

Mr. WADE. O.K.

Mr. RANKIN. Was he during that conversation saying anything to you

about not alleging it if it were true?

Mr. WADE. No, sir; it was a question of, he had heard we were going to

allege it and he asked me about it and I said it is silly. I had heard

something, I think, about it, about the same time.

And to no one, if it was part of it, no one said they necessarily

wanted to hush the thing up, but it was a situation where the minute

they mentioned what their problem was, it sounded silly to me, I said

whether he is a member of the Communist Party or not is not important

in this charge.

Senator COOPER. Was there any official, anyone on your staff or any

persons charged with law enforcement in Dallas, or any U.S. district

attorney in Dallas or anyone connected with his office, to your

knowledge ever suggest that there should be a charge of conspiracy?

Mr. WADE. None to my knowledge.

Now, I will say in some of these conversations, like I said, I don't

know whether it was with Waggoner Carr or Barefoot Sanders, they said,

one said, "Well, David Johnston, the J. P. has said this," and the

other one has said, "Bill Alexander, one of your assistants who was up

at the police department said it."

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