And I said----

Mr. DULLES. I wonder if you would identify this for the record?

Mr. WADE. You can get it. Let me tell you the story. I read that thing

there hurriedly and I remember it mentioned that Agent Hosty had talked

to Revill----

Senator COOPER. Who was that?

Mr. WADE. Hosty.

Senator COOPER. Can you identify him as to what he does?

Mr. WADE. He is a special agent of the FBI, but I don't think I would

know him if he walked in here actually.

But that is his business. He showed me that, and I read it. Now, as far

as identifying it, I have seen--I have a copy of it in my files.

You see, when they turned the records over to me and I read it and

looked it over and to the best of my knowledge was the same memorandum

he showed me, although all I did was glance at it and it said generally

they knew something about him and knew he was in town or something like

that.

Senator COOPER. Who said that?

Mr. WADE. This memorandum said that.

Senator COOPER. Who is reported to be quoting the memorandum?

Mr. WADE. Special Agent Hosty. Now, I have since looked at the

memorandum. So far as I know it is the same memorandum, but like I

say I read it there and I don't know whether it is the--I don't know

whether it said word for word to be the same thing but it appears to me

to my best knowledge to be the same memorandum.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you know when you first got the memorandum in your files

that you are referring to?

Mr. WADE. It was a month later. You see the police gave me a record of

everything on the Ruby case, I would say some time about Christmas.

Mr. RANKIN. I will hand you Commission Exhibit No. 709 and ask you if

that is the memorandum you just referred to?

Mr. WADE. Yes; to the best of my knowledge that is the memorandum he

showed me there at 7 p.m. on the 22d day of November 1963.

Jack Revill incidentally, you all have talked with him, but he is one

of the brightest, to my mind, of the young Dallas police officers.

As a matter of fact, when we got into the Ruby trial, I asked that they

assign Jack Revill to assist us in the investigation and he assisted

with picking of the jury and getting the witnesses all through the Ruby

trial.

Mr. RANKIN. Would your records show when you received a copy of this

document, Commission Exhibit No. 709?

Mr. WADE. Well, I am sure it would. It would be the day--you can trace

it back to when the newspapers said he had turned all the files over to

me and it was around Christmas as I recall, and I believe actually it

was after Christmas, but probably 30 days, but you see they turned over

a file that thick to me, I imagine. It was of all of that, the same

thing they turned over to you, everything the police had on Jack Ruby.

Mr. RANKIN. You put a receipt stamp on anything like that?

Mr. WADE. I don't think it will show a date or anything like that on it

because they just hauled it in there and laid it on my desk. But this

was--it is in our files, and I am rather sure it is the same time. You

all got the same thing.

Mr. RANKIN. We didn't receive anything like that until the time that

Chief Curry came to testify, just for your information.

Mr. WADE. Well, I didn't know that, but now on this, this is the Ruby

matter----

Mr. DULLES. Could I ask one question there?

Mr. WADE. Yes, sir.

Mr. DULLES. Just to refresh my recollection of your testimony, did you

see this that afternoon around 5 or 6 o'clock?

Mr. WADE. Around 7 o'clock I would say it was on Chief Curry's desk.

Mr. DULLES. Of the 22d?

Mr. WADE. Of the 22d.

Senator COOPER. I don't want to interrupt too much, but looking at

this exhibit, I note it is written, you have seen this Commission,

Commission Exhibit No. 709 signed by Jack Revill?

Mr. WADE. Yes; let me see it; yes.

Senator COOPER. Is your recollection, was the memorandum that was shown

to you by--first, who did show you the memorandum on the 22d?

Mr. WADE. Chief Curry of the Dallas police.

Senator COOPER. Was the memorandum shown to you on the 22d by Chief

Curry in this same form?

Mr. WADE. To the best of my knowledge that was it now.

Now, like I said I read this memorandum, and I read the memorandum, and

asked the chief what he was going to do with it and he said, "I don't

know."

And then the next morning I heard on television Chief Curry, I don't

know whether I heard him or not, he made some kind of statement

concerning this memorandum on television, and then later came back and

said that wasn't to his personal knowledge, and I think that was--he

said that what he said about it he retracted it to some extent but I

guess you all have got records of those television broadcasts or at

least can get them.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you remember whether he said just what was in this

Exhibit No. 709 or something less than that or more or what?

Mr. WADE. I don't remember. You see, things were moving fast, and it is

hard, there are so many things going on. I will go on to my story.

Mr. RANKIN. Yes.

Mr. WADE. I will answer anything, of course.

Mr. RANKIN. You can tell us the rest that you said to Chief Curry and

he said to you at that time, first.

Mr. WADE. I asked him how the case was coming along and as a practical

matter he didn't know. You probably have run into this, but there is

really a lack of communication between the chief's office and the

captain of detective's office there in Dallas.

Mr. RANKIN. You found that to be true.

Mr. WADE. For every year I have been in the office down there. And

I assume you have taken their depositions. I don't know what the

relations--the relations are better between Curry and Fritz than

between Hanson and Fritz, who was his predecessor. But Fritz runs a

kind of a one-man operation there where nobody else knows what he is

doing. Even me, for instance, he is reluctant to tell me, either, but

I don't mean that disparagingly. I will say Captain Fritz is about as

good a man at solving a crime as I ever saw, to find out who did it

but he is poorest in the getting evidence that I know, and I am more

interested in getting evidence, and there is where our major conflict

comes in.

I talked to him a minute there and I don't believe I talked to Captain

Fritz. One of my assistants was in Fritz's office. I believe I did walk

down the hall and talk briefly, and they had filed, they had filed on

Oswald for killing Tippit.

Mr. DULLES. Which assistant was that?

Mr. WADE. Bill Alexander. There was another one of--another man there,

Jim Allen, who was my former first assistant who is practicing law

there in Dallas and frankly I was a little surprised of seeing him

there, he is a real capable boy but he was there in homicide with

Captain Fritz. They were good friends.

And I know there is no question about his intentions and everything

was good, but he was just a lawyer there, but he had tried many death

penalty cases with Fritz--of Fritz's cases.

But he was there. Your FBI was there, your Secret Service were there in

the homicide.

Mr. RANKIN. Who from the FBI, do you recall?

Mr. WADE. Well, I saw Vince Drain, a special agent that I knew,

and Jim Bookhout, I believe, and there was Mr. Kelley and Mr.

Sorrels--Inspector Kelley of the Secret Service, Sorrels, Forest

Sorrels.

I might tell you that also, to give you a proper perspective on this

thing, there were probably 300 people then out in that hall.

You could hardly walk down the hall. You just had to fight your way

down through the hall, through the press up there.

Mr. RANKIN. Who were they?

Mr. WADE. The television and newsmen. I say 300, that was all that

could get into that hall and to get into homicide it was a strain to

get the door open hard enough to get into the office.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you say anything to Chief Curry about that?

Mr. WADE. No, sir; I probably mentioned it but I assume you

want--whether I meant he ought to clean them out or not. I didn't tell

him he should or shouldn't because I have absolutely no control over

the police. They are a separate entity. They have a municipality, and

they work under a city manager.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you say anything to Chief Curry about what should be

told the press about investigation, how it was progressing or anything

of that kind?

Mr. WADE. Yes; I think that is the brief conversation, that is the last

I talked to Curry that night. I may have talked to--but that is all I

recall. I left thereafter, and went on out to dinner.

Mr. RANKIN. About what time did you leave?

Mr. WADE. 7, 7:30, something like that. I got home, say, 9:30 or 10,

after eating dinner, and I believe I talked to the U.S. attorney or at

least I saw it come on the radio that they are going to file on Oswald

as part of an international conspiracy in murdering the U.S. President,

and I think I talked to Barefoot Sanders. He called me or I called him.

Mr. RANKIN. I wanted to get for the record, Mr. Wade, who would be

trying to file like that.

Mr. WADE. I don't know. All I know it wasn't me. It was told to me at

one time that the justice of the peace said something about it and

another one, one of my assistants, Alexander had said something about

it and I have talked to both of them since and both of them deny so I

don't know who suggested it or anything but it was on the radio and I

think on television.

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