Mr. RUBY. "This is the thing that started Jack in the shooting."

Mr. TONAHILL. Kathy Kay was talking about Oswald.

Mr. RUBY. You are lying, Joe Tonahill. You are lying.

Mr. TONAHILL. No; I am not.

Mr. RUBY. You are lying, because you know what motivated me. You want

to make it that it was a premeditation.

Mr. TONAHILL. No.

Mr. RUBY. Yes; you do.

Mr. TONAHILL. I don't think there was any premeditation, but you go

ahead and tell it your way. That is what we want you to do. That is

what the Chief Justice wants.

Mr. RUBY. Not when you specify this.

You are Senator Rankin?

Mr. RANKIN. No; I am the general counsel for our Commission, Mr. Ruby.

Mr. TONAHILL. You go on and keep telling it down to Caroline and the

truth.

Chief Justice WARREN. Mr. Ruby, may I suggest this, that if we are to

have any tests, either a lie detector or, as you suggest, maybe a truth

serum--I don't know anything about truth serum, but if we are to have

it, we have to have something to check against, and we would like to

have the rest of your story as you started to tell us, because you are

now getting down to the crucial part of it, and it wouldn't be fair to

you to have this much of it and then not have the rest.

Mr. RUBY. Because the reason why, Joe knows from the time that I told

Attorney Belli, and the story I wanted to tell on the stand, and Mr.

Tonahill knows this isn't the time. The thought never entered my mind.

He knows it.

Mr. TONAHILL. I didn't say the thought entered your mind. I didn't say

that.

Mr. RUBY. You are inferring that.

Mr. TONAHILL. Unconsciously, maybe, is what I meant to say.

Mr. RUBY. Why go back to Friday, Joe?

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