He said, "Okay, if that is why, that is the way it's got to be."

So in the meantime, I had gone with Alice Nichols for some time, and

I called her on the phone but she wasn't there, but I left the number

on the pay phone for her to return the call, because I didn't want to

keep the business phone tied up. And I hadn't spoken to her in maybe 9

months or a year. I don't know what I said to her, not many words, but

just what happened.

I still remained around the club there. I am sure I was crying pretty

bad. I think I made a long-distance call to California. This fellow had

just visited me, and I had known him in the days back in Chicago when

we were very young, in the real tough part of Chicago. His name is Al

Gruber.

He was a bad kid in those days, but he is quite reformed. He is married

and has a family, and I am sure he makes a very legitimate livelihood

at this time.

He happened to come through a couple of nights prior to that to try

to interest me, or 4 or 5 days prior to that, to interest me in a new

kind--you follow the story as I tell it?

Chief Justice WARREN. Yes.

Mr. RUBY. It is important, very important. It is on a new kind of

machine that washes cars. You pay with tokens. It is a new thing. I

don't know if it faded out or not. He tried to interest my brother,

Sammy, because Sammy sold his washateria.

And my sister was in the hospital when he first came. I am going back

a little bit. Sammy didn't go to the hospital, and we needed to tell

Sammy about this particular thing, and that is the reason Al Gruber

came into the picture, because he came to try to interest my brother,

Sammy, in this new washateria deal to wash cars.

He left and went to California, but before he went to California I

promised him my dachshund dog.

When this thing happened, I called him. He said, "Yes, we are just

watching on television." And I couldn't carry on more conversation. I

said, "Al, I have to hang up."

Then I must have called my sister, Eileen, in Chicago.

Then a fellow came over to deliver some merchandise I had ordered over

the phone, or Andy ordered. And we said, "What is the use of purchasing

any merchandise of any kind, we are not interested in business." And I

don't recall what I said, but I told him whatever money he received, to

keep the change. I am not a philanthropist, but nothing bothered me at

the time. I wasn't interested in anything.

Then I kept calling my sister, Eva, because she wanted me to come be

with her.

Eva and I have a very complex personality. Very rarely can I be with

her, but on this particular occasion, since she was carrying on so, I

felt that I wanted to be with someone that meant something to me. I

wanted to be with her.

And I kept calling her back, "I will be there." And so on. But I never

did get there until a couple of hours later.

I finally left the club. I am sure you gentlemen can brief in all the

things that happened before. A kid by the name of Larry up there, I

think I told him to send the dog they crated, to find out about the

price--very implusive about everything.

Then I left the club. And I had been dieting, but I felt I wanted some

food. I can't explain it. It would be like getting intoxicated at that

particular time. It is amusing, but it is true.

I went over to the Ritz Delicatessen a block and a half away. Must have

bought out the store, for about $10 worth of delicacies and so on. Went

out to my sister's and stayed at her apartment.

Oh, I called from the apartment--my sister knew more of my calls than I

did. I remember I think I called--I can't think of who I called.

Anyway, I am sure I made some calls of what had happened there.

Somebody will have to piece me together from the time I got to my

sister's apartment where I had partaken of the food.

Oh yes, I called Andy. This Andy Armstrong called me and said, "Don

Safran wants you to call him."

This is rare for this gentleman, because he is a columnist for the

Dallas Times Herald, because he never could get out any copy for my

club. And he said, "Don Safran wants me to call him."

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