(Present were Mr. McCloy, Mr. Dulles, and Representative Ford)
Mr. SPECTER. May the record now show that the Commission has now
reassembled on the first floor of the VFW Building where a motion
picture projector and slide projector and screen have been set up for
viewing of the films.
Mr. Shaneyfelt, what are you going to show us first of all?
Mr. SHANEYFELT. The first film will be of the color motion picture made
through the rifle scope as the car drove down the assassination route
at approximately 11 miles an hour. It will give the view the rifleman
had as he aimed the rifle from the sixth floor window of the Book
Building.
(Film)
Mr. DULLES. Is that going 11 miles per hour?
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. SHANEYFELT. This film will be the black and white photographs of
the car in the fixed still positions in each of the frame numbers
described in previous testimony.
In addition the final portion of the film is a run through of the car
at 11 miles an hour on three separate runs filmed as the rifleman would
have seen the car looking through the rifle.
On the first run of the car going down the assassination route I have
stained frames in the vicinity of frame 222 which is after the first
clear shot after the tree, I have stained the frame at the location of
shot 313, which is the second pink flash you will see.
I found, in examining the film, that this is a shorter span of time
than in the actual film. It is a span on the reenactment of about three
and a half seconds between 222 and 313.
The second frame stained is 313 but since it is running at a faster
speed I have also stained a spot that represents 5 seconds which is
what the time lapse was between frame 222 and frame 313 in the actual
assassination films.
That will be after the car driving scene.
(Film)
Mr. SHANEYFELT. This is the last clear shot and this is an adjusted
last clear shot before going under the tree. This is the shot
approximately 185. This is frame 186 which is the adjusted shots which
would account for a 10-inch variance.
Shot of frame 207, and the adjusted frame which was 210. This is frame
222 and you can see the tree is still in the background.
This is 225 now. 231. At this point Governor Connally states he has
been hit by now. This is 235. 240--249--255--and the shot to the head
which is 313.
Mr. SPECTER. What is this? Describe this, Mr. Shaneyfelt.
Mr. SHANEYFELT. This is the run at 11 miles an hour containing the pink
stain. This is another run at 11 miles an hour. It will give you some
idea of the difficulty of tracking a car with a heavy camera mounted
on the rifle.
Mr. McCLOY. You have to sight that with a camera?
Mr. SHANEYFELT. Sighting through a camera.
(Film)
Mr. REDLICH. Just as a final thing, Mr. McCloy, would you like to see
the Zapruder film?
Mr. McCLOY. I think we will take the original Zapruder again, I don't
know whether we have anything that is more significant in the black and
whites, I am talking about the particular movies of the frames, we have
not seen those.
Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes.
Mr. McCLOY. I think we have seen all we need to see with regard to
that. What have you got left?
Mr. SHANEYFELT. The original Zapruder film.
Mr. McCLOY. We will see that.
Mr. SHANEYFELT. We have the duplication of the Zapruder film
reenactment. The first portion of the reel is the still shots and the
last portion is the run through at 11 miles an hour.
Mr. SPECTER. I think you would find that worth while to see.
Mr. SHANEYFELT. Then we have Nix and Muchmore of the same run.
Mr. McCLOY. Let's do those, too.
Representative FORD. First is the original Zapruder.
Mr. SHANEYFELT. Original Zapruder. This is not the original. This is
the first copy.
(Film)
Mr. SPECTER. Will you state for the record what film we just saw?
Mr. SHANEYFELT. This film we just viewed is a copy made directly from
the original Zapruder film of the actual assassination.
Mr. SPECTER. Could you now show us the film which was taken at the
reconstruction from the Zapruder position?
(Film)
Mr. SHANEYFELT. These films we made in Dallas have been developed and
left intact and have not been edited in any way so there are a lot of
blank spaces where we run the leader off and turn the film. This is
position 161. This side-to-side jiggle is a camera malfunction.
Mr. McCLOY. This is 16 mm.?
Mr. SHANEYFELT. No; 8 mm.
Representative FORD. Is this from his camera?
Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes; taken with his camera. Frame 222, frame 225. This
is frame 231.
Representative FORD. He has a delayed reaction compared to what the
President did.
Mr. SPECTER. What frame is this, Mr. Shaneyfelt?
Mr. SHANEYFELT. 313, the head shot.
Mr. McCLOY. The head shot.
Mr. SHANEYFELT. This is the position which is not duplicated on the
Zapruder film. This is running the film out to reload it.
During that run at 11 miles an hour we made no effort to duplicate the
body position because it would have been most difficult to know just
when to turn. The only other films we have are the ones we shot with
the Nix and Muchmore cameras of this same run from their positions.
Mr. McCLOY. Did Nix, Muchmore get a second shot of the head shot?
Mr. SHANEYFELT. Mrs. Muchmore got the head shot and Mr. Nix got the
head shot.
Mr. McCLOY. They both got it.
Mr. SHANEYFELT. We have both those films.
Mr. McCLOY. We might take a look at it while we are here. I don't think
I have ever seen those. Those are 88 mm., too.
Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes.
(Film.)
Mr. SHANEYFELT. This film is the film that was taken by Mr. Orville
Nix of the assassination. This is along Houston street going toward
Elm. There was the head shot. We will roll it back and run it at slow
motion. The head shot shows just a very faint pink.
Mr. McCLOY. Very soon after this sequence begins. Just as the President
is directly under the white abutment in the background. I will try to
give you a clue about when it is going to happen, there.
The next film is the film that was exposed in Mr. Nix's camera standing
in the position determined to be his camera position at the reenactment
in Dallas, with the car traveling at approximately 11 miles an hour
along Elm street.
These films were compared with each other and found to be consistent
in the size of the car in the area of the picture and verified the
position as being that of Mr. Nix.
(Film)
Mr. SPECTER. Have you now shown us, Mr. Shaneyfelt, all of the movies
that we saw, we took in Dallas?
Mr. McCLOY. Mrs. Muchmore.
Mr. SPECTER. Mrs. Muchmore.
(Film)
Mr. SHANEYFELT. This is the motorcade coming down Main and turning into
Houston street.
Mr. McCLOY. She didn't know she took that.
Mr. SHANEYFELT. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Have we now seen all the films from Dallas? That concludes
the films.
Mr. McCloy, for the record, I would like to have the films marked with
Commission Exhibit No. 904 identifying the Zapruder copy. That is the
copy of the original Zapruder film.
May I say here, parenthetically, that we do not intend to reproduce
all of this in the published record of the Commission since we have
extracted the key numbers on Exhibit 885 on the album which shows the
frames of the Zapruder film after the President's automobile turns left
off of Houston onto Elm, but for the permanent archives these films
should be made a part of the permanent record.
I would like to have a copy of the original Nix film marked as
Commission Exhibit No. 905. I would like to have the copy of the
original Muchmore film marked as Commission Exhibit No. 906. I would
like to have all of the movies which we took at Dallas marked in a
group as Commission Exhibit No. 907.
Mr. McCLOY. That is all the movies that were taken on May 24 in Dallas
by the test team, so to speak.
Mr. SPECTER. Right, Commissioner McCloy. They are marked as Commission
Exhibit No. 907, and I would like to move formally for the admission
into evidence of Commission Exhibits Nos. 904 through 907 at this time.
Mr. McCLOY. They may be admitted.
(Commission Exhibits Nos. 904, 905, 906, and 907 were marked for
identification, and received in evidence.)
(Whereupon, at 7:20 p.m., the President's Commission recessed.)
_Friday, June 5, 1964_