The CHAIRMAN. You have some people who are shortwaisted, some people
who are longwaisted. I don't know which either of these men were who
were of the same height. But I know there is a lot of difference in
men. We sometimes see the--a man who looks large sitting down, when he
stands up he is small, because he has a long torso, and vice versa.
Mr. KELLEY. Of course the relative positions are apparent from the
films that were taken at the time of the assassination. It would be, of
course, that judgment--and it would have to be a judgment. But I think
the films indicate there was just about that much difference in their
height when both were seated.
Mr. SPECTER. Inspector Kelley, I hand you a photograph marked as
Commission Exhibit No. 697, which has heretofore been admitted into
evidence, and identified by Governor Connally as depicting the
President and the Governor as they rode in the motorcade on the day of
the assassination, and I ask you if the stand-ins for the President and
the Governor were seated in approximately the same relative positions
on the reconstruction on May 24.
Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir; in my judgment that is very close.
Mr. SPECTER. What marking, if any, was placed on the back of President
Kennedy--the stand-in for President Kennedy?
Mr. KELLEY. There was a chalk mark placed on his coat, in this area
here.
Mr. SPECTER. And what did that chalk mark represent?
Mr. KELLEY. That represented the entry point of the shot which wounded
the President.
Mr. SPECTER. And how was the location for that mark fixed or determined?
Mr. KELLEY. That was fixed from the photographs of a medical drawing
that was made by the physicians and the people at Parkland and an
examination of the coat which the President was wearing at the time.
Mr. SPECTER. As to the drawing, was that not the drawing made by the
autopsy surgeons from Bethesda Naval Hospital?
Mr. KELLEY. Bethesda Naval.
Mr. McCLOY. Not Parkland, as I understand it?
Mr. SPECTER. No, sir; not Parkland, because as the record will show,
the President was not turned over at Parkland.
Mr. KELLEY. I was shown a drawing of--that was prepared by some medical
technicians indicating the point of entry.
Mr. SPECTER. Permit me to show you Commission Exhibit No. 386, which
has heretofore been marked and introduced into evidence, and I ask you
if that is the drawing that you were shown as the basis for the marking
of the wound on the back of the President's neck.
Mr. KELLEY. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And the record will show, may it please the Commission,
that this was made by the autopsy surgeons at Bethesda.
And was there any marking placed on the back of Governor Connally?
Mr. KELLEY. Yes; there was a marking placed on the back of his coat
in the area where the medical testimony had indicated the bullet had
entered Governor Connally.
Mr. SPECTER. And what coat was worn by the stand-in for Governor
Connally?
Mr. KELLEY. It was the coat that Governor Connally was wearing at the
time he was injured.
Mr. SPECTER. And was the chalk circle placed around the hole which
appeared on the back of that coat garment?
Mr. KELLEY. It was.
Mr. SPECTER. Were certain tests made by the Secret Service shortly
after the day of the assassination?
Mr. KELLEY. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And were those tests reduced to photographs which were
compiled in an album?
Mr. KELLEY. Yes; in Commission Document No. 88, we took some
photographs of the scene of the assassination on December 5, 1963, from
the window of the Texas Book Depository, and from the street.
Mr. SPECTER. The number which you refer to bears Commission No. 88,
which is an index number which was given for internal Commission
document filing, but it has not been marked as a Commission exhibit.
I would now like to mark it Commission Exhibit No. 875 and move for its
admission into evidence.
The CHAIRMAN. It may be admitted.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 875 for
identification, and received in evidence.)
Mr. SPECTER. Does a photograph in that group show the condition of the
foliage of the trees in the vicinity where the assassination occurred?
Mr. KELLEY. Yes.