The CHAIRMAN. He didn't say exactly that, Mr. Rankin. He said he hoped
he wouldn't have to use it against Hosty as I understood him to say.
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; my opinion, and this was my personal opinion that
it would not serve any purpose. In your scope of the investigation,
yes, I can see where it would, but I hated to get involved in a
controversy with the FBI, because of our past relations.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you recently have a conversation with Lieutenant
Hopkins of Fort Worth?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. RANKIN. Where was that?
Mr. REVILL. Lieutenant Hopkins and I went to Sacramento, Calif., to a
law enforcement intelligence unit conference and shared a room.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you discuss this matter with him?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; it broke in the papers while we were there.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you say to him about it?
Mr. REVILL. About the report? About this report?
Mr. RANKIN. Yes.
Mr. REVILL. I told him about the conversation with Mr. Hosty and
about according to the news release, the news stories, this thing
was released, and the newspaper reporters and television people in
Sacramento made it impossible for me to remain at the conference so I
returned to Dallas. I was there for 1 day and returned the next, the
next evening.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you say anything about the report being inaccurate?
Mr. REVILL. Inaccurate?
Mr. RANKIN. Yes.
Mr. REVILL. No, sir.
Representative FORD. What was the date of this conference in Sacramento?
Mr. REVILL. April 22, 23, and 24, I believe. It was on a Thursday,
Friday, and Saturday. It could have been the 23d, 24th, and 25th but I
returned on Friday evening.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you examine the newspaper report of your report,
Exhibit 709?
Mr. REVILL. Did I examine it? Yes, sir; I read several newspaper
reports of it.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you give the reports to the newspapers?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you have anything to do with giving it to the
newspapers?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; this would have been the last thing I would have
done.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know who did?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; I do not.
Representative FORD. What prompted you to discuss this information with
the other officer from Fort Worth?
Mr. REVILL. I started getting long-distance telephone calls on the
evening, it must have been the 23d, it was Thursday night, I got two
long-distance phone calls, and Lieutenant Hopkins and I were sharing a
double room and, of course----
The CHAIRMAN. Lieutenant who?
Mr. REVILL. Lieutenant Hopkins of the Fort Worth Police Department. H.
F. Hopkins.
The CHAIRMAN. Yes.
Mr. REVILL. And I discussed it with him.
Representative FORD. Who was calling you long distance, what relevance
does that have to it?
Mr. REVILL. To my discussing it with him?
Representative FORD. Yes.
Mr. REVILL. The long-distance phone calls were about this report, the
Associated Press and the United Press.
Representative FORD. I see. They had heard about it, they called you
long distance and you discussed it with Hopkins who was in the room
with you?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. RANKIN. That is all that I have, Mr. Chief Justice.
The CHAIRMAN. Have you anything further, or you?
Mr. DULLES. Tippit was not under your jurisdiction, was he?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; he was not.
The CHAIRMAN. Lieutenant, I am not familiar with the newspaper report
that you are speaking of. What, in substance, did it say?
Mr. REVILL. There were several articles written. The Dallas papers
carried articles on it and the Sacramento, Calif., paper carried an
article on it. In essence it had to do with this conversation that
Hosty and I had and about this report and somewhere, someplace some
newspaper reporter must have seen a copy of this because he knew how
many paragraphs they had in it and he quoted, I believe, the last
paragraph of the report verbatim, and this is what concerned me, that a
report such as this would fall into their hands.
Now, who the reporter is, there were several reporters that were
curious about the thing, and I don't even recall which newspaper
carried the verbatim paragraph about Agent Hosty's conversation.
The CHAIRMAN. And that is what caused you and Lieutenant Hopkins to
have a discussion?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Did he bring the matter up to you or did you bring it up
to him?
Mr. REVILL. I might have brought it up to him because I was concerned
that this thing had been released.
The CHAIRMAN. What was your conversation concerning that?
Mr. REVILL. That I had received these calls, the first one must have
been around 2 o'clock in the morning, California time, from the
Associated Press. It was a lady writer, and she asked about this and
I told her that any statement would have to be made by Chief Curry,
and she trapped me really. She made a false statement that Hosty was
supposed to have said something else and I said no, that is not so. He
did not make a statement, and then there was my comment. From that it
looked like I had written them out a press release.
The CHAIRMAN. Looks like what?
Mr. REVILL. It appears as if I had written out a press release from the
comment in the newspapers but that was the only statement I made that
Hosty had not made such statement, it was a fabrication, he knew he was
capable, but he did not make such a statement. Hosty did not make such
a statement.
The CHAIRMAN. Then you discussed that with Mr. Hopkins?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Do you recall just what Mr. Hopkins asked you and what
you told him about this report?
Mr. REVILL. Well, when I received the first call, I was in the coffee
shop, it was 2 o'clock in the morning, we had been out with two of
the Sacramento County Sheriff's officers and I got the call and after
getting the call I went to the room and Hopkins had been awakened by
this phone call, and I told him about the call, and then from there on,
I had numerous long-distance calls, and I answered the one with the
UPI, and then I decided I would not talk to people. Because I couldn't
see where it would help anything.
The CHAIRMAN. Did he ask you if the substance of this report was true,
I am speaking now of Exhibit 709, the one we have been talking about.
Mr. REVILL. Mr. Hopkins had never seen this report. I just told him
what had transpired between Hosty and I and told him that a report had
been made, and this is what they were calling on.
The CHAIRMAN. Did you at any time in talking to him repudiate anything
that was in this report?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir. The only thing I repudiated was the fact that this
reporter had said that Hosty had made a statement and I said no, this
is not true, about them not believing that he would do it, and I think
I told Hopkins that.
The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Anything more?
Mr. DULLES. I have nothing more.
The CHAIRMAN. Lieutenant, thank you very much, sir, for your help here.
Mr. REVILL. Thank you, sir. I am just sorry it happened.
The CHAIRMAN. You have told us what the truth of the situation is, you
could do no more and no less.
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
(Discussion off the record.)
The CHAIRMAN. Lieutenant, just a question or two, we forgot to ask, Mr.
Rankin, would you ask them, please?
Mr. RANKIN. You said you made some handwritten notes about this 709
exhibit.
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. RANKIN. When you gave them to the typist--do you know what happened
to those notes?
Mr. REVILL. They were destroyed, I am sure.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know what her name is who typed 709?
Mr. REVILL. Mary Jane Robertson.
Mr. RANKIN. Is she still with the police department?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. RANKIN. What position is she in now?
Mr. REVILL. She is a clerk-typist in the special service bureau.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know where the original of 709 is?
Mr. REVILL. With Chief Curry, I assume. Well, let's see. You have a
copy; I would assume he has got it.
Mr. DULLES. Wasn't a copy made at the time?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; I have it.
Mr. DULLES. The actual copy, you have?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; it is in my little briefcase.
Mr. RANKIN. So that original would be available to us?
Mr. DULLES. You have it here now?
Mr. REVILL. I have a copy.
Mr. DULLES. A carbon copy?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. He showed us a copy of his testimony.
Representative FORD. Do you know how many copies were made?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; one and one; an original and one.
Representative FORD. And you kept one copy and one went to Captain
Gannaway?
Mr. REVILL. No; both copies went to Captain Gannaway who is my
immediate superior and he later gave me back the carbon and the
original went to Chief Curry.
Representative FORD. And you have had the one copy in your possession
since how long?
Mr. REVILL. Probably a week or two after this thing happened, and I
have had it in the Lee Harvey Oswald file.
Representative FORD. You have had this copy in your files in the police
department?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
Representative FORD. Since about December 1 or thereabouts?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; thereabouts.
The CHAIRMAN. Do you number those items in the file?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. And the order in which they come in?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir. Now, this particular report was put in the Lee
Harvey Oswald file, and he was given an intelligence number, A & T, if
I may get this copy I will explain to you----
The CHAIRMAN. Yes; would you do so, please?
Mr. REVILL. Excuse me just a moment. You see, he was given A & T 2965,
page 34, as it appears in his file. This is indexed with a card with
this file number and page number.
The CHAIRMAN. May I ask, would the next item in that file be numbered
35?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; it would.
The CHAIRMAN. And the one directly preceding it would be 33?
Mr. REVILL. Thirty-three; yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. I see, and you have the rest of your file which would
indicate that?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; I don't have it with me.
The CHAIRMAN. No; but you have it in your records.
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. And that could be produced if we wanted it?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; it is the complete file we have now on Lee Harvey
Oswald.
The CHAIRMAN. Yes.