Mr. REVILL. By hoping----

The CHAIRMAN. He didn't say exactly that, Mr. Rankin. He said he hoped

he wouldn't have to use it against Hosty as I understood him to say.

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; my opinion, and this was my personal opinion that

it would not serve any purpose. In your scope of the investigation,

yes, I can see where it would, but I hated to get involved in a

controversy with the FBI, because of our past relations.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you recently have a conversation with Lieutenant

Hopkins of Fort Worth?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

Mr. RANKIN. Where was that?

Mr. REVILL. Lieutenant Hopkins and I went to Sacramento, Calif., to a

law enforcement intelligence unit conference and shared a room.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you discuss this matter with him?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; it broke in the papers while we were there.

Mr. RANKIN. What did you say to him about it?

Mr. REVILL. About the report? About this report?

Mr. RANKIN. Yes.

Mr. REVILL. I told him about the conversation with Mr. Hosty and

about according to the news release, the news stories, this thing

was released, and the newspaper reporters and television people in

Sacramento made it impossible for me to remain at the conference so I

returned to Dallas. I was there for 1 day and returned the next, the

next evening.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you say anything about the report being inaccurate?

Mr. REVILL. Inaccurate?

Mr. RANKIN. Yes.

Mr. REVILL. No, sir.

Representative FORD. What was the date of this conference in Sacramento?

Mr. REVILL. April 22, 23, and 24, I believe. It was on a Thursday,

Friday, and Saturday. It could have been the 23d, 24th, and 25th but I

returned on Friday evening.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you examine the newspaper report of your report,

Exhibit 709?

Mr. REVILL. Did I examine it? Yes, sir; I read several newspaper

reports of it.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you give the reports to the newspapers?

Mr. REVILL. No, sir; I did not.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you have anything to do with giving it to the

newspapers?

Mr. REVILL. No, sir; this would have been the last thing I would have

done.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you know who did?

Mr. REVILL. No, sir; I do not.

Representative FORD. What prompted you to discuss this information with

the other officer from Fort Worth?

Mr. REVILL. I started getting long-distance telephone calls on the

evening, it must have been the 23d, it was Thursday night, I got two

long-distance phone calls, and Lieutenant Hopkins and I were sharing a

double room and, of course----

The CHAIRMAN. Lieutenant who?

Mr. REVILL. Lieutenant Hopkins of the Fort Worth Police Department. H.

F. Hopkins.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes.

Mr. REVILL. And I discussed it with him.

Representative FORD. Who was calling you long distance, what relevance

does that have to it?

Mr. REVILL. To my discussing it with him?

Representative FORD. Yes.

Mr. REVILL. The long-distance phone calls were about this report, the

Associated Press and the United Press.

Representative FORD. I see. They had heard about it, they called you

long distance and you discussed it with Hopkins who was in the room

with you?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

Mr. RANKIN. That is all that I have, Mr. Chief Justice.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you anything further, or you?

Mr. DULLES. Tippit was not under your jurisdiction, was he?

Mr. REVILL. No, sir; he was not.

The CHAIRMAN. Lieutenant, I am not familiar with the newspaper report

that you are speaking of. What, in substance, did it say?

Mr. REVILL. There were several articles written. The Dallas papers

carried articles on it and the Sacramento, Calif., paper carried an

article on it. In essence it had to do with this conversation that

Hosty and I had and about this report and somewhere, someplace some

newspaper reporter must have seen a copy of this because he knew how

many paragraphs they had in it and he quoted, I believe, the last

paragraph of the report verbatim, and this is what concerned me, that a

report such as this would fall into their hands.

Now, who the reporter is, there were several reporters that were

curious about the thing, and I don't even recall which newspaper

carried the verbatim paragraph about Agent Hosty's conversation.

The CHAIRMAN. And that is what caused you and Lieutenant Hopkins to

have a discussion?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Did he bring the matter up to you or did you bring it up

to him?

Mr. REVILL. I might have brought it up to him because I was concerned

that this thing had been released.

The CHAIRMAN. What was your conversation concerning that?

Mr. REVILL. That I had received these calls, the first one must have

been around 2 o'clock in the morning, California time, from the

Associated Press. It was a lady writer, and she asked about this and

I told her that any statement would have to be made by Chief Curry,

and she trapped me really. She made a false statement that Hosty was

supposed to have said something else and I said no, that is not so. He

did not make a statement, and then there was my comment. From that it

looked like I had written them out a press release.

The CHAIRMAN. Looks like what?

Mr. REVILL. It appears as if I had written out a press release from the

comment in the newspapers but that was the only statement I made that

Hosty had not made such statement, it was a fabrication, he knew he was

capable, but he did not make such a statement. Hosty did not make such

a statement.

The CHAIRMAN. Then you discussed that with Mr. Hopkins?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you recall just what Mr. Hopkins asked you and what

you told him about this report?

Mr. REVILL. Well, when I received the first call, I was in the coffee

shop, it was 2 o'clock in the morning, we had been out with two of

the Sacramento County Sheriff's officers and I got the call and after

getting the call I went to the room and Hopkins had been awakened by

this phone call, and I told him about the call, and then from there on,

I had numerous long-distance calls, and I answered the one with the

UPI, and then I decided I would not talk to people. Because I couldn't

see where it would help anything.

The CHAIRMAN. Did he ask you if the substance of this report was true,

I am speaking now of Exhibit 709, the one we have been talking about.

Mr. REVILL. Mr. Hopkins had never seen this report. I just told him

what had transpired between Hosty and I and told him that a report had

been made, and this is what they were calling on.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you at any time in talking to him repudiate anything

that was in this report?

Mr. REVILL. No, sir. The only thing I repudiated was the fact that this

reporter had said that Hosty had made a statement and I said no, this

is not true, about them not believing that he would do it, and I think

I told Hopkins that.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Anything more?

Mr. DULLES. I have nothing more.

The CHAIRMAN. Lieutenant, thank you very much, sir, for your help here.

Mr. REVILL. Thank you, sir. I am just sorry it happened.

The CHAIRMAN. You have told us what the truth of the situation is, you

could do no more and no less.

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

(Discussion off the record.)

The CHAIRMAN. Lieutenant, just a question or two, we forgot to ask, Mr.

Rankin, would you ask them, please?

Mr. RANKIN. You said you made some handwritten notes about this 709

exhibit.

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

Mr. RANKIN. When you gave them to the typist--do you know what happened

to those notes?

Mr. REVILL. They were destroyed, I am sure.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you know what her name is who typed 709?

Mr. REVILL. Mary Jane Robertson.

Mr. RANKIN. Is she still with the police department?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

Mr. RANKIN. What position is she in now?

Mr. REVILL. She is a clerk-typist in the special service bureau.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you know where the original of 709 is?

Mr. REVILL. With Chief Curry, I assume. Well, let's see. You have a

copy; I would assume he has got it.

Mr. DULLES. Wasn't a copy made at the time?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; I have it.

Mr. DULLES. The actual copy, you have?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; it is in my little briefcase.

Mr. RANKIN. So that original would be available to us?

Mr. DULLES. You have it here now?

Mr. REVILL. I have a copy.

Mr. DULLES. A carbon copy?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. He showed us a copy of his testimony.

Representative FORD. Do you know how many copies were made?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; one and one; an original and one.

Representative FORD. And you kept one copy and one went to Captain

Gannaway?

Mr. REVILL. No; both copies went to Captain Gannaway who is my

immediate superior and he later gave me back the carbon and the

original went to Chief Curry.

Representative FORD. And you have had the one copy in your possession

since how long?

Mr. REVILL. Probably a week or two after this thing happened, and I

have had it in the Lee Harvey Oswald file.

Representative FORD. You have had this copy in your files in the police

department?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

Representative FORD. Since about December 1 or thereabouts?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; thereabouts.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you number those items in the file?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And the order in which they come in?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir. Now, this particular report was put in the Lee

Harvey Oswald file, and he was given an intelligence number, A & T, if

I may get this copy I will explain to you----

The CHAIRMAN. Yes; would you do so, please?

Mr. REVILL. Excuse me just a moment. You see, he was given A & T 2965,

page 34, as it appears in his file. This is indexed with a card with

this file number and page number.

The CHAIRMAN. May I ask, would the next item in that file be numbered

35?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; it would.

The CHAIRMAN. And the one directly preceding it would be 33?

Mr. REVILL. Thirty-three; yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. I see, and you have the rest of your file which would

indicate that?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; I don't have it with me.

The CHAIRMAN. No; but you have it in your records.

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And that could be produced if we wanted it?

Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; it is the complete file we have now on Lee Harvey

Oswald.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes.

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