July 9. Mr. Fellowes returned this morning. We had a very pleasant

day,--theology being excluded. In the evening my companions were

again pleased to disturb my occupations; but it was only a short

skirmish. Fellowes was endeavoring to enlighten his friend

respecting the mysteries of "belief" and "faith," as expounded by

some of his favorite writers: he contended, (making that sheer

separation between "the intellectual" and "spiritual," which so

many of the spiritual school affect.) not only that there may be

correct belief without true faith, which, in an intelligible sense,

few will deny; but that there may be a true faith with a false belief',

or even with none, in the strict sense of the word. Referring to a

recent acute writer in one of our religious periodicals, he argued

that belief is properly an intellectual process, founded on a presumed

preponderance of reasons or supposed reasons, for it; and that whether

those reasons amount to demonstration, or whether the scale be

turned by a grain, matters not; the product is purely logical, and

has no more to do with "faith" than a "belief" in any proposition

of Euclid.

"But, at all events," he proceeded, "whether you choose to call some

of these acts of reason by the name of belief or not, faith is

something quite independent of it. As Mr. Newman says, in his 'Phases,'

'Belief is one thing and faith another': 'belief is purely intellectual;

faith is properly spiritual.' 'Nowhere from any body of priests,

clergy, or ministers, as an order, is religious progress to be

anticipated till intellectual creeds are destroyed.' See, too, how

tenderly he speaks even of atheism. 'I do not know,' he says, 'how to

avoid calling this a moral error; but I must carefully guard against

seeming to overlook that it may still be a merely speculative error,

which ought not to separate our hearts from any man.' Similarly he

charitably restricts 'idolatry' in any 'bad sense' to a voluntary

worshipping of what the worshipper feels not to deserve his adoration;

and as I, for one, doubt whether this is ever the case, this delightful

charity is comprehensive indeed. Mr. Parker's discourse is full of

the same beautiful and tolerant maxims. 'Each religious doctrine,' he

says, 'has some time stood for a truth ...... Each of these forms of

religion (polytheism and fetichism, to wit) did the world service

in its day.' No one form of religion is absolutely true; faith may

be compatible with them all."

"Let me understand you, if possible," said Harrington; "for at present

I fear I do not. That there may be belief without faith in a very

Intelligible sense, I can understand. You say there can be faith without

belief, and a true faith that is connected with any belief, however

erroneous, do you not?"

"Provided it contains the absolute religion."

"Well, and even the lowest fetichism does that, according to Mr. Parker,

whom you defend. Now this Protean faith is what I do not understand."

"That," said Fellowes, "I can easily conceive; and, let me add, no

sceptic can understand it."

"I see no reason why he should not," said Harrington, laughing, "if,

as you and Mr. Newman suppose, the 'spiritual' can be so perfectly

divorced from the 'intellectual.' According to your reasoning, the

and the idolater cannot be incapable of exercising this mysterious

'faith,'--when their errors are supposed purely speculative,--since

faith has nothing to do with the intellect; neither therefore ought

the sceptic to be quite beyond the pale of your charity. Nay, his

intellect being a rasa tabula in these matters, I should think he is

in more favorable circumstances than they can be. But, seriously, let

me try, if possible, to fathom this curious dogma,--I beg your

pardon,--sentiment, I mean. Belief without faith in an intelligible

sense (if by this last we mean a condition of the emotions or

affections), I can understand; though if the truth believed be of a

nature to excite to emotion and to dictate action, and fail to do so,

I doubt whether men in general would not call that belief spurious. For

example, if a man, on being told that his house was on fire, sat still

in his neighbor's chimney-corner, and took no notice of the matter,

most persons would say that his assent was no true belief; for it did

not produce its effects, did not produce faith. But whether faith can

ever exist independently of belief,--whether it is not always involved

with it,--and whether there can be a faith worth a farthing that is

not based on a true belief,--that is the point on which I want light.

If I understand you, an acceptable faith may or may not coexist

with a true belief; and men who believe in Jupiter or Jehovah, in one

God or a thousand, who worship the sun, or an idol, or a cat, or a

monkey, all may have an equally acceptable faith."

"I affirm it."

"That as there may be belief in a truth without faith, so there may

be faith, though the intellect believes in a falsehood;--that faith,

in fact, is independent of knowledge, or of any particular condition

of the intellect?"

"I do not like the terms in which you express the sentiment, but I,

for one, believe it substantially correct."

"Never mind the form; I am quite willing to employ other terms, if you

will supply them"

"Well, then," said Fellowes, "I should say, with Mr. Parker, that

the principle of true faith may be found to coexist with the grossest

and most hideous misconceptions of God, while the absence of it may

coexist with the truest and most elevated belief."

"That, I think, comes to much the same as I said. Now about the latter

we have no dispute. It is the former that I want light upon: the

latter only shows that a belief, which ought to be practical, and if

not practical is nothing, is but a species of hypocrisy; and, of

course, I have nothing to say for it. My uncle here, who is still one

of the orthodox, who believes that an 'acceptable faith' and a

belief in the divinity of a monkey or a cat are somehow quite

incompatible, would be among the first to acknowledge the latter

position. He would say, 'No doubt there has often been such a

thing as "dead orthodoxy,"--a creed of the "letter,"--a religion

exclusively dependent on logic, and nothing to do with the feeling's;

--belief that is not sublimated into faith;--a system of arteries and

veins infiltrated with some colored substance, like the specimens

in an anatomical museum, but in which none of the lifeblood of

religion circulates. But surely,' he would say, 'it does not follow,

that, because there has been belief without faith, there is or can

be any independent of some belief, or an acceptable faith without

a true belief.'"

"I affirm," said Fellowes, "that 'faith' has nothing to do with

the intellect, but is a state of the affections exclusively. I affirm,

with a recent acute writer, that there is, properly speaking, no

belief at all that is distinguishable from reason. For what is meant

by belief of a proposition, but the receiving that proposition

true upon evidence, from a supposed preponderance of reasons in

its favor? Now, whether that preponderance be a ton weight or a single

grain, down goes the balance, and reason as strictly decides that it

is to be received as if it were a mathematical demonstration. If the

arguments, whether abstract or otherwise, absolutely demonstrative or

only probable, are supposed to be exactly balanced, there is no reason

for deciding in favor of one side more than the other; and there is,

therefore, no belief, for the very reason that reason cannot

be exercised."

"Very well indeed," said Harrington, "so far as it goes; but I

forthwith see, that, so far from deriving any benefit from this

ingenious reasoning, there is no such thing as either faith or belief:

belief and faith have both vanished at the same time; the first is

resolved into reason, and the second becomes impossible."

"Belief may," said Fellowes, "but faith never. Its divine beauty is

all the brighter, when happily divorced from logic and syllogisms,

its misalliance with which can only be compared to that cruel punishment

by which the living was chained to the dead. Say what you will, it

still reigns and triumphs in the soul in spite of all."

"I am perfectly convinced," said Harrington, "that the modern

spiritualist will not bring his 'faith' into any ignominious slavery

to intellect or syllogism. But clear up my doubts if you can. I know

that the writers you are fond of quoting very generally give an

illustration of the nature of faith by pointing to the ingenuous

trust of a child in the wisdom and kindness of a parent."

"They do; and is it not a beautiful illustration? That is genuine

faith indeed!"

"I am willing to take the illustration. The child has faith, we see,

in his father's superior wisdom and experienced kindness."

"Yes."

"He believes them, therefore."

"Certainly."

"But belief is reason."

"Certainly; but faith is more than that."

"No doubt; but he does believe these things."

"Yes, certainly."

"And if he did not believe them, he would cease to have faith. If,

for instance, he be convinced that his father is mad, or cruel, or

unjust, the state of affections which you call faith will diminish,

and at last cease."

"Perhaps so," said Fellowes.

"Perhaps so, my friend! I really cannot receive your answer, because

I am convinced that it does not express your sentiments."

"Well, I believe that the state of affection which call 'faith' would

be impossible under such circumstances."

"But belief is reason."

"Yes."

"Must we not say, then, that the child's faith depends on the condition

of his belief, that is, on his reason, so that the 'faith' is possible

when he believes and so long as he believes, that his father is wise

and kind, but is impossible when he believes, and as soon as he believes,

the contrary?"

"Yes, I admit that."

"It appears, then, that faith in this,--perhaps the best illustration

that could be selected,--so far from being a state of the affections

exclusive of the intellect, is not exclusive of it, but absolutely

dependent on it, inasmuch as it is absolutely dependent on belief, and

that is dependent on reason. It exists in connection with it, and is

never independent of it. If the contrary be affirmed, I doubt whether

there can be any such thing as 'faith' in the world. Belief becomes

reason, and faith, having nothing, you say, to do with the intellect,

becomes impossible. But now let it be supposed (as, indeed, I cannot

but suppose) that some belief, that is, reason, enlightened or not

(generally the last), is involved in every act of faith; you yet affirm

most distinctly that it is a state of the affections quite unconnected

with the truth or falsehood of any intellectual propositions."

"I do."

"It ought to follow, then, that it matters not what is the object of

belief, provided there is 'faith'; and this, if you observe: is very

much what the language of Mr. Newman would imply, while it is the very

essence of Mr. Parker's teaching."

"You mean Father Newman, perhaps?"

"Why no, I did not; but, to tell you the truth. I now mean either;

there not appearing to me much difference between them in this respect.

Whether you worship an image of a 'winking virgin,' or, according to

the other Dromio, the 'ideal' of an idolater,--whether (provided

always it be with sincerity and trust!) you adore the Jehovah of

the Hebrews, or 'the image which fell down from Jupiter,' ought to

make, upon this theory, no great difference."

"Well, in whatever difficulty the controversy may involve us, can we

deny this conclusion?"

"Truly," replied Harrington, "I think it does not involve me in any

difficulty; it shows me that, if this be the 'faith' to which you

attach so much importance, it really is not worth the powder and shot

that must be expended in the controversy. For my own part, I do

not hesitate to say that I would rather be absolutely destitute of

'faith' altogether, than exercise the most absolute faith ever bestowed

upon a tawdry image of the Virgin, or some misshapen beast of an idol

of Hindoo or Hottentot workmanship."

"Ah! my friend," cried Fellowes, "do not thus blaspheme the most holy

feelings of humanity, however misapplied!"

"I do not conceive that I do, in declaring abhorrence and contempt of

such perversions of 'sentiment,' however 'holy' you may call them.

Hideous as they are, however, they are less hideous than the

half-length apologies for them on the part of cultivated and civilized

human beings, like our 'spiritual' infidels. Your tenderness is

ludicrously misplaced. I wonder whether the same apology would extend

to those exercises of simple-minded 'faith' in which it is said that

the Spanish and Portuguese pirates sometimes indulged, when they

implored the benediction of their saints on their predatory

expeditions! And yet I see not how it could be avoided; for the

exorbitancies of these pirates were not more hateful to humanity than

are the rites practices, and the duties enjoined, by many forms of

religion. What delightful, ingenuous 'faith' and genuine 'simplicity'

of mind did these pirates manifest!"

"How can you talk so, when we make it a mark of a false revelation,

that it contradicts any intuition of our moral nature?"

"Then cease to talk of your 'absolute religion,' as capable in any

way of consecrating the hateful forms of false and cruel superstition for

which you and Mr. Parker condescend to be the apologists. The

fanaticism of such pious and devout beasts as those saint-loving

pirates is not a more flagrant violation of the principle of morality,

than the acts which flow directly as the immediate and natural

expression of the infinitely varied but all-polluting forms of

idolatry with which you are pleased to identify your 'absolute

religion,' and in all of which you suppose an acceptable 'faith' to

be very possible. You see how Mr. Parker extends the apology to

the foulest sets of his Tartar and Calmuck scoundrels; acts

called murders in the codes of Christendom and civilization, but

varnished over by the beautiful 'faith' which somehow still lurks

under the most frightful practices of a simple-minded barbarian. If

this faith will shelter the abominations of a gross idolatry, I see

not what else it may not sanctify.--But, in fact, neither in the

case of idolaters, nor any other religionists, is it true that

'faith' is independent of 'belief'; in the case of your Calmuck, for

example, the 'belief' is vile, and therefore the 'faith' vile too;

faith practical enough, certainly, but one that as certainly does not

'work by love'; and which, I think, would be well exchanged for a

dead orthodoxy, or any thing else."

It is not difficult to see the source of the fallacy into which

Mr. Fellowes had fallen. It lies in the attempt to make a

distinction in fact, as well as in theory, between the

"intellectual" and "emotional" parts of our nature. It is very well

for the spiritual and mental analyst to consider separately the

several principles which constitute humanity, and which act, and

react, and interact, in endless involution. That there may be acts

of belief that terminate chiefly in the intellect, and may be wholly

worthless, who denies? The drunkard, for example, may admit that

sobriety is a duty; but yet, if he gets drunk every night of his

life, we shall, of course, think little of that act of belief,--of

his daily repetition of moral orthodoxy. In the same manner, a man

may admit that it is his duty to exercise implicit love, gratitude,

and obedience towards the great object of worship; but if his

habitual conduct shows that he has no thought of acting in accordance

with this maxim, he must be regarded, in spite of the orthodoxy of

his speculative creed, as no better than a heathen; or worse.

But though it is very possible that a true belief may not involve

true faith, does the converse follow,--that therefore true faith is

essentially different from it, and independent of it? All history

shows, that when religion is practical at all,--that is, issues in

faith,--such faith is as the truth or falsehood believed; the emotional

and active conditions of the soul are colored, as usual, by knowledge

and intellect. These, again, are not independent of the will and the

affections, as we all familiarly know. And hence the fallacy of

supposing that no man is to be thought better or worse for his

"intellectual creed." His "creed" may be his "crime"; and surely none

ought to see this more clearly than the writers who deny it; for

why their eternal invectives against "dogmas,"--and especially the

tolerably universal dogmas that men are responsible for the formation

of their opinions,--except upon the supposition that men are

responsible for framing and maintaining them? If they are not, men

should be left alone; if they are, they are to be thought of as

"worse and better" for their "intellectual creed."

Before the conclusion of the conversation, Mr. Fellowes asked me for

my opinion.

"If," said I, "faith be defined independent of an act of intellect,

then I think, with our sceptical friend here, there can be no such

thing at all. For I neither know nor can conceive of any such

unreasonable exercise of the emotions or affections. If it be meant,

on the other hand, that, though some act of the intellect be indeed

uniformly involved, yet that it matters not what it is, and that

faith does not take its complexion, as of moral value, from it, then

I also think, with Harrington, that it is impossible to deny that

such a doctrine will sanctify any sort of worship, and any sort of

deity, provided men be sincere; are you prepared to contend for much?"

Mr. Fellowes put an adroit objection here. "Why," said he, "you will

not deny, surely, that even Scripture often commends, as good, a faith

which is founded on a very imperfect conception of the spiritual

realities to which it is directed?"

"It is ingeniously put, I admit. I grant that there are here, as in

so many other cases, limits which, though it may not be very easy

to assign them, as plainly exist. But that does not answer my

question. I want to know whether the principle is to be applied

without limits at all, as your speculative theory demands? In other

words, will it or not sanctify acts of the most degrading and

pernicious idolatry, of the most debasing superstition, because

allied to that state of the affections in which you make the essence

of faith consist? If it will not, then your objection to me is

nothing; it merely asks me to assign limits within which the exercise

of the affection in question may be acceptable, or almost equally

acceptable, in cases of a partially enlightened understanding. If it

will, then it leaves you open, as I conceive, and fairly open, to all

the objections which have been so brusquely urged against you by your

friend, in whose indignant protest against the detestable apologies for

the lowest forms of religious degradation, in which so many 'spiritual'

writers indulge, I for one heartily sympathize."

I ventured to add, that the account of "faith" as a state of the

emotions exclusively, given by some of his favorite writers, is

perfectly arbitrary. "Belief," say they, "is wholly intellectual: faith

is wholly moral." Now it would be of very little consequence, if the

terms be generally so understood, whether they be so used or not; men

would, in that case, suppose that faith, thus restricted, implies a

previous process of mind which is to be called exclusively belief. I

added, however, that I did not believe that the word faith was ever

thus understood in popular use; but that, on the contrary, it was

employed to imply belief founded on knowledge, or supposed knowledge,

and, where the belief was, in its very nature, practical, or involved

emotion, a conduct and a state of the affections corresponding thereto.

"But this," said I, "merely respects the Popular use of the words, and

if is hardly worth while to prolong discussion on it. As to the

reasoning which would show that belief does not properly exist at

all, because it may be all resolved into reason, founded on the

preponderance of evidence, where it does not matter whether that

preponderance be a ton or a scruple,--surely it is over-refined. Men

will always feel that there is a marked difference between the states

of mind in which they assent to a proposition of which they have no

more doubt than they have of their own existence, or to a proposition

in the mathematics, and to one in which they feel that only a few

grains turn the scale. To this conscious difference in the condition

of mind, they have given (and I suppose will not give) very different

names; and though they will continue to say that they believe that two

and two make four, but that they know it, they will say that they

believe that they will die before the end of the century, though they

will not say that they know that. The distinction between the certain

and the probable is felt to be far too important not to be marked by

corresponding varieties of speech; and speech has made them according."

____

July 10. This morning Harrington fulfilled his promise of acquainting

me with a few of the reasons which prevented his taking refuge in the

"half-way houses" between the Bible and Religious Scepticism. Mr. Fellowes

was an attentive listener. Harrington had entitled his paper,--

REASONS FOR DECLINING THE VIA MEDIA BETWEEN REVEALED RELIGION AND

ATHEISM--OR SCEPTICISM WITH SPECIAL REFERENCE TO THE THEORIES OF

MR. THEODORE PARKER AND MR. FRANCIS NEWMAN.

I shall be brief; not being solicitous to suggest doubts to others,

but merely to justify my own.

Both Mr. Parker and Mr. Newman make themselves very merry with a

"book-revelation," as they call it; and if they had given any thing

better,--more rational or more certain than the Bible,--how gladly

could I have joined in the ridicule! As it is, I doubt the solidity

of the theories they support, and hardly doubt that, if the principles

on which they reject the Bible be sound, they ought to go much farther.

Both affirm the absurdity of a special external revelation to man;

both, that the fountain of spiritual illumination is exclusively

from within, and not from without. A few brief citations will set

this point in a clear light. "Religion itself." says Mr. Parker,

"must be the same thing in each man; not a similar thing, but just

the same; differing only in degree."* "The Idea of God, as a fact

given in man's nature, is permanent and alike in all; while the

sentiment of God, though vague and mysterious, is always the same in

itself." (ibid. p. 21)--"Of course, then, there is no difference but

of words between revealed Religion and natural Religion; for all actual

Religion is revealed in us, or it could not be felt." (ibid. p. 33). The

Absolute Religion, which he affirms to be universally known, he defines

as "Voluntary Obedience to the Law of God,--inward and outward Obedience

to that law he has written on our nature, revealed in various ways

through Instinct, Reason, Conscience, and the Religious Sentiment."

(ibid. p. 34). Similarly, Mr. Newman says, "What God reveals to us he

reveals within, through the medium of our moral and spiritual senses."

(Soul, p. 59) "Christianity itself has practically confessed, what is

theoretically clear,"--you must take his word for both,--"that an

authoritative external revelation of moral and spiritual truth is

essentially impossible to man." (Soul, p. 59) "No book-revelation can

(without sapping its own pedestal) authoritatively dictate laws of human

virtue, or alter our a priori view of the Divine character." (Ibid. p.

58)

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* Discourses of Matters pertaining to Religion, p. 36.

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"Happy race of men," one is ready to exclaim, with this Idea of God,

one and the same in all; this "Absolute Religion," which is also

"universal"; this internal revelation, which supersedes, by

anticipating, all possible disclosures of an external revelation,

and renders it an "impertinence." Men in all ages and nations must

exhibit a delightful unanimity in their religious notions, sentiments,

and practices!

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